[_ Old Earth _] Evil-lution

[Asimov]

Why do people talk about Jesus in such derrogatory ways? Nobody talks about Buddha, or Krishna like that. No one curses Buddha or Krishna. Yet Jesus's name is taken in vain everyday. It appears that most people don't seem to care that he died for them.

Who says we don't? We live in western culture, where Christianity is the most common religion. We have been influenced by it, and affected most by it.

That would be like asking why people in North America don't use Chinese curse words.

 

[Asimov]

Why do people talk about Jesus in such derrogatory ways? Nobody talks about Buddha, or Krishna like that. No one curses Buddha or Krishna. Yet Jesus's name is taken in vain everyday.

or.... possibly that in people's soul they know he's the truth, and are there-by naturally repulsed due to hardened hearts.

haha...

Romans 9:18

So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.

 

[Sara929]

haha...

:roll:

 

[huj05]

hey.

when your 5, and your told that god loved everyone, god was perfect, and you were shown pictures of god with rainbows, god petting a nice talkign sheep, and all that stuff, your like "hey gods like a hippie! happy and loves everyone!"
*note i am atm using the jesus+god= same person theory*
if you dont believe the theory, just replace god with jesus, whatever.

that was before people told me how god murdered(killed, justly killed, whatever have you) alot of people. basically, how god lead to the death of many many many individuals.

 

[Sara929]

Huj my pal, notice how in both cases their you're listening to "other people"... its scary isn't it at times ;)

 

[Featherbop]

hey.

when your 5, and your told that god loved everyone, god was perfect, and you were shown pictures of god with rainbows, god petting a nice talkign sheep, and all that stuff, your like "hey gods like a hippie! happy and loves everyone!"
*note i am atm using the jesus+god= same person theory*
if you dont believe the theory, just replace god with jesus, whatever.

that was before people told me how god murdered(killed, justly killed, whatever have you) alot of people. basically, how god lead to the death of many many many individuals.

When I was 5, I wasn't told that God was a "hippie". I was told that God killed people. You say weird things...

 

[huj05]

im srry, i guess, god decided to let me hear, but not let me have normal fingers..

whats wrong with listening to people? i dont get what your saying. I listen all the time to tons of people. Some i ignore because what they say is irellivant or unintelligent.


I say weird things? at 5 years old, you dont teach a kid that god is a murderer, not if you want the kid to like god. you dont do that. If you did, here is how it would go.

"ok boys and girls, god decided to kill all these diffrent people because they were bad people, they did bad things,"
"like what mrs hoover"
"well uhh, they stole, snatched, and lied. they ate other peoples food and hit people"
"thats good, god is cool cuz he kills bad guys, just like polic officers yay!"

you either would be teachign a kid that god=bad
or you would lie to the kid.

one of those kinds of jesus's (i didnt always picture him in white, because i thought jesus would like other colors too)

 

[Asimov]

haha...

:roll:

A frequent reply to this ultimately condemning chapter.

 

[Featherbop]

whats wrong with listening to people? i dont get what your saying. I listen all the time to tons of people. Some i ignore because what they say is irellivant or unintelligent.

Do you ignore yourself?

I say weird things? at 5 years old, you dont teach a kid that god is a murderer, not if you want the kid to like god. you dont do that.

I was told by 5 years old that God killed people. Murder is an illegal killing. God would not be capable of murder by definition.

"ok boys and girls, god decided to kill all these diffrent people because they were bad people, they did bad things,"
"like what mrs hoover"
"well uhh, they stole, snatched, and lied. they ate other peoples food and hit people"
"thats good, god is cool cuz he kills bad guys, just like polic officers yay!"

You make it sound like God and 'polic' officers kill for unjustly or for no apparent reason. Yeah, yeah, let me guess, that is your perspective. :-D [/b]

 

[Asimov]

whats wrong with listening to people? i dont get what your saying. I listen all the time to tons of people. Some i ignore because what they say is irellivant or unintelligent.

Do you ignore yourself?

[quote:7af43]I say weird things? at 5 years old, you dont teach a kid that god is a murderer, not if you want the kid to like god. you dont do that.

I was told by 5 years old that God killed people. Murder is an illegal killing. God would not be capable of murder by definition.

"ok boys and girls, god decided to kill all these diffrent people because they were bad people, they did bad things,"
"like what mrs hoover"
"well uhh, they stole, snatched, and lied. they ate other peoples food and hit people"
"thats good, god is cool cuz he kills bad guys, just like polic officers yay!"

You make it sound like God and 'polic' officers kill for unjustly or for no apparent reason. Yeah, yeah, let me guess, that is your perspective. :-D [/b][/quote:7af43]

So...killing infants, and ordering people to kill infants is a just thing?

 

[huj05]

killing whole towns, just because 1 worships diffrently is legal? is just?
killing babies?
killing women, children? killign all the animals in a town?

god MURDERED people. there is only 1 good reason to take the life of someone. It would save the life of 1 or more people who have a better chance at success (i.e, killing the guy with the machine gun who is holding 25 people hostage)

 

[Blue-Lightning]

there is only 1 good reason to take the life of someone.

Through the survival of the hebrew people, an innumerable number of people's lives have been saved. Good enough?

BL

 

[huj05]

i think you missed my point. Yes, by letting a whole population survive, they are bound to pro-create..

im talking about killing when there is no need. there are multiple places in the bible where there is a killing for no need?

and murder is illegal correct?

didnt god have no good reason to murder that guy who went to STEADY The ark? he tried to make sure it didnt fall over and ruin all of the peoples (and gods) hard work, and what happens? he is killed. for no reason (cough murdered cough)

 

[Asimov]

I think in regards to an all-powerful, all-knowing God, killing in general is unneeded.

 

[huj05]

^^ agree^^

 

[Featherbop]

My perspective on killing in the Bible by God is that God only desired to interfere to a point, then let His people do things for themselves. Yeah, He did order death sometimes, but I see it as justified from what I've read.

But, then, obviously, an all powerful God doesn't have to kill, unless His plan requires that.


Marck

 

[Asimov]

My perspective on killing in the Bible by God is that God only desired to interfere to a point, then let His people do things for themselves. Yeah, He did order death sometimes, but I see it as justified from what I've read.

I doubt that God, who knows everything and created everything has any choice in interference.

Ordering death is never justified, if you are an all-powerful, all-knowing being.

But, then, obviously, an all powerful God doesn't have to kill, unless His plan requires that.

an all-powerful, all-knowing God who is supposedly moral would never require death in his plan .

 

[Free]

Oh, Asimov. Your logic is astounding. I would like to see more of it stated formally so we can see if your conclusion does follow from your premises.

 

[Sara929]

Ordering death is never justified, if you are an all-powerful, all-knowing being.

Isn't that a presumption you could only likely make if YOU were all-knowing and all-powerful? Not that I'd consider either of those two the most important traits of God.

 

[Asimov]

Oh, Asimov. Your logic is astounding. I would like to see more of it stated formally so we can see if your conclusion does follow from your premises.

Ok, I'm God.

All-knowing, all-powerful, I'm a moral being (or I would never be able to give humans morality), and I'm good and loving.

My plan is to achieve the greater good through my creation. That is what I want for all my creation. Being all-powerful and all-knowing, I can of course achieve the greater good for my creation.

Being a moral being, and being good and loving, it is entirely logical to presume that I would not factor death, pain, or suffering into my plan because the greater good should not be achieved through immoral means, especially if it can be achieved through moral means.

It's easy, and you don't have to wrap your brain around it. If it doesn't make sense, then show me how I'm wrong.