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Sara929
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Asimov, you should try reading Augustine and his thesis on evil.... ya might find yourself suprised by many things that we have a hard time grasping.
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I doubt that God, who knows everything and created everything has any choice in interference.
Ordering death is never justified, if you are an all-powerful, all-knowing being.
an all-powerful, all-knowing God who is supposedly moral would never require death in his plan .
Darck Marck said:"I dought". Glad to see you aknowledge this as your opinion, instead of assuming you know how God should be, better than He does.
[quote:591c1]Ordering death is never justified, if you are an all-powerful, all-knowing being.
[quote:591c1]an all-powerful, all-knowing God who is supposedly moral would never require death in his plan .
Asimov said:Being a moral being, and being good and loving, it is entirely logical to presume that I would not factor death, pain, or suffering into my plan because the greater good should not be achieved through immoral means, especially if it can be achieved through moral means.
It's easy, and you don't have to wrap your brain around it. If it doesn't make sense, then show me how I'm wrong.[/b]
god could have made all humans immortal, make us not need food, water, clothing, anything. had life so we could have fun however we desired, withought worrying of work, sleep, or anything. he obviously didnt love enough to do that, or something, i still dont understand that whole thing.
cubedbee said:1) Define greater good. Who do you think is better off in life---someone born mentally retarded unable to ever form complex thoughts, or a gifted scientists who is enthralled with his groundbreaking research? The former probably experiences much less pain and sorrow in life, but I would consider the joys experienced by the latter to be much fuller and complete than the simple happiness experience by the mentally handicapped. If I had the ability to choose which life to live, it would be the scientist without a doubt. So I personally maximize my "greater good" without minimizing my pain and suffering. Is it than unfathomable that God could do the same?
2) How is death immoral?
shernren said:that proves it! all americans are stupid!
I thought this was going to be about evolution, and it's come down to divine infanticide. Bleh.
Typical Western consumerism ... without pain there is no pleasure.
If you don't believe it go read Ecclesiastes, the sobering account of one man who tried to find pleasure without pain, and failed miserably. And if you don't empathize with him then you haven't really lived.
I won't say much about evolution here. No-one would respond scientifically.
thespunk said:If God is an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect, just, good, loving, and moral being and is the only being of this kind -- as the Christian God is typically defined -- then it would follow any means God chooses to fulfill His desired end would also be a good, moral, and just act. To conclude otherwise, would necessitate the negation of one or more of the accepted premises. Therefore, by definition, the Christian God is incapable of committing an unjust, bad, or immoral act.
thespunk said:Asimov said:thespunk said:If God is an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect, just, good, loving, and moral being and is the only being of this kind -- as the Christian God is typically defined -- then it would follow any means God chooses to fulfill His desired end would also be a good, moral, and just act. To conclude otherwise, would necessitate the negation of one or more of the accepted premises. Therefore, by definition, the Christian God is incapable of committing an unjust, bad, or immoral act.
I agree, then the Christian God does not exist, because in creating evil, he is immoral.
What is 'evil?' And upon what grounds does one reason to conclude the Christian God created evil?