[__ Science __ ] Evolution Is a Scientific Law?

[Barbarian]

Evolution does this, because the creatures turn into better creatues.

No, that's not what evolution does. "Better" has no meaning in that sense. Evolution, as we've observed to happen, tends to make a population more fit for a particular environment. That's why evolutionary processes work so well for engineering problems.

Of birds. Dino into bird evolution. 4foot animals, like bears/hippos into whales. Or whatever. Crawling creatures, like "evolving fish".

As you finally admitted, there are no features found in birds that can't be found in other dinosaurs. So birds are still dinosaurs.

The fossil record, as knowledgeable YE creationists admit, is very good evidence for the evolution of whales from ungulates. Would you like me to show you how they know this?

 

[Barbarian]

Instead of God creating all the original kinds from no preexisting matter, Thiestic K2KE holds that He had to use preexisting matter.

That's almost right. But K2KE creationists are wrong in assuming that He had to.

Since God says that living things were brought forth by the earth, God himself says that He used existing matter to make them. Why not just accept it His way? He created the universe ex nihilo, and then made everything else from that initial creation.

Which is more powerful, a God who creates nature to bring forth everything according to His will, (which is what He says in Genesis) or some little god who prances around, making a tree here and a rabbit there?

My God is more powerful than the God of the YE creationists.

 

[Barbarian]

Do you know about the left hand right hand protein problem? One of the biggest monkey wrenches (pun intended) in N-D Evo!

I'm guessing you don't know what this is actually about. You see, life on earth doesn't use only L-forms of amino acids. Unfortunately for creationists, D-forms are also found in living things. D-serine, for example, is found in mammals, where it plays a major role in the brain.

But why are amino acids mostly found in L-forms?

Astrobiology Vol. 23, No. 10
Oct 2023

Origin of Homochirality in Amino Acids Induced by Lyman-α Irradiation in the Early Stage of the Milky Way​

Abstract​

The enantiomeric excess (ee) of l-form amino acids found in the Murchison meteorite poses some issues about the cosmic origin of their chirality. Circular dichroism (CD) spectra of amino acids in the far-ultraviolet (FUV) at around 6.8 eV (182 nm) indicate that the circularly polarized light can induce ee through photochemical reactions. Here, we resort to ab initio calculations to extract the CD spectra up to the vacuum-ultraviolet (VUV) region (∼11 eV), and we propose a novel equation to compute the ee applicable to a wider range of light frequency than what is available to date. This allows us to show that the strength of the induced ee (|ee|) in the 10 eV VUV region is comparable to the one in the 6.8 eV FUV region. This feature is common for some key amino acids (alanine, 2-aminobutyric acid, and valine). In space, intense Lyman-α (Lyα) light of 10.2 eV is emitted from star forming regions. This study provides a theoretical basis that Lyα emitter from an early starburst in the Milky Way plays a crucial role in initiating the ee of amino acids.

Turns out, there's a physical reason that abiotic amino acids form an excess of L-forms in nature. Your source needs to update their PRATTS.

 

[Barbarian]

Please show me a SINGLE ANIMAL that has been observed emerging from the earth like a character from the movie " Walking Dead "

If it did, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. You see, evolutionarly theory isn't about the origin of life. Even Darwin thought that God just created the first living things. Over the years, evidence has increasingly pointed to the first life being produced by the earth as God said. But YE creationists don't like that part of God's word.

 

[Barbarian]

You object to the miracle of God's quickness.

God is not obligated to do the miraculous to fit man's expectations. He does everything in the proper time, and it isn't always the same. Let Him decide.

Can you give a single verse to back "God is still making animals"??

You don't think animals are God's creatures? Seriously? If God uses nature to make living things as He says in Genesis, why do you find that objectionable? Why not just let Him be God and decide?

 

[KV-44-v1]

You don't think animals are God's creatures? Seriously?

How does

Can you give a single verse to back "God is still making animals"??

turn into "I don't think animals are God's creatures"?? Please explain this transformation.

God is not obligated to do the miraculous to fit man's expectations.

He's not expected to cobble things together with trial and error.


He's not expected to "figure out" how He should create things using "evolutionary algorithms", as if He is a human who types prompts into an ai to get ideas for what to make!!

Man needs those silly algos because they are FINITE in knowledge.

Why would humans wish that He miraculously made the universe? The worLd hates that explanation, they love a self-creating "explanation".

 

[KV-44-v1]

If it did, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble.

Conflating abiogenesis and K2KE .
If we did see that, abiogenesis would be confirmed, right?

Are you implying that abiogenesis and K2KEvo are at conflict??

 

[KV-44-v1]

or some little god who prances around, making a tree here and a rabbit there?

This strawman is created out of the ASSUMPTION that God is still making creatures today.
Animals today are flawed because of man's Fall.
Why do you assume the natural world isnt enough for animals to make more animals? God isn't responsible for flaws, man is.

 

[Barbarian]

Which is more powerful, a God who creates nature to bring forth everything according to His will, (which is what He says in Genesis) or some little god who prances around, making a tree here and a rabbit there?

My God is more powerful than the God of the YE creationists.

This strawman is created out of the ASSUMPTION that God is still making creatures today.

No, I'm just observing what creationists claim happened in the "creation week." But God is still creating creatures today. All living things are creatures of God. It's just that YECs don't approve of the way He created them.

He's not expected to cobble things together with trial and error.

It was a shock to YECs when it was found that evolutionary processes work more efficiently than design for complex problems. Engineers are starting to use the same processes that God used. As usual, He knows best.

Man needs those silly algos because they are FINITE in knowledge.

Yep. God just created nature to do His will without any "design" at all. "Design" is something limited creatures do. Creation works in very different ways. Not all of the acceptable to YECs.

 

[Barbarian]

If it did, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. You see, evolutionary theory isn't about the origin of life. Even Darwin thought that God just created the first living things. Over the years, evidence has increasingly pointed to the first life being produced by the earth as God said. But YE creationists don't like that part of God's word.

Conflating abiogenesis and K2KE .

That's part of the problem, but of course, YECs, don't like God creating the Earth to bring forth life.

Are you implying that abiogenesis and K2KEvo are at conflict??

No Idea. K2KEvo is your deal. Who knows what you mean by that?

 

[KV-44-v1]

But God is still creating creatures today

Nature is enabling creatures to make creatures. Nature is whats responsible for all new creatures.

Nature could not make the FIRST, original creatures, that was something only God could do.

It was a shock to YECs when it was found that evolutionary processes work more efficiently than design for complex problems.

Bruh. You are totally leaving out God's Omniscience. So much for

"My God is more powerful than the God of the YE creationists."

You are not God.

Engineers are starting to use the same processes that God used.

Engineers are using evo processes BECAUSE THEY ARE FINITE IN KNOWLEDGE. OBVIOUSLY.

first life being produced by the earth as God said

So how did it supposedly produce life?



Did life magically pop out of it? Or did God command life to come from it? Or is your reading "too literal"? Choose your hill and stick with it.

If it did, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. You see, evolutionary theory isn't about the origin of life. Even Darwin thought that God just created the first living things. Over the years, evidence has increasingly pointed to the first life being produced by the earth as God said. But YE creationists don't like that part of God's word.

You aren't replying to anything here and just throwing out a random thing you said earlier.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Why do you assume the natural world isnt enough for animals to make more animals? God isn't responsible for flaws, man is.


If we did observe "life come from nonlife", abiogenesis would be confirmed, right?

[__ Science __ ] - Evolution Is a Scientific Law?

Evolution does this, because the creatures turn into better creatues. No, that's not what evolution does. "Better" has no meaning in that sense. Evolution, as we've observed to happen, tends to make a population more fit for a particular environment. That's why evolutionary processes work...

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[KV-44-v1]

Nope. It was invented in the last century by Seventh-Day Adventist

So, to be clear, is this an OBJECTIVE fact? is it absolutely true and irrefutable? is there any evidence at all against this belief? Did absolutely ZERO people believe YEC at ANY point in time before sda's "made it"?

 

[Barbarian]

Did absolutely ZERO people believe YEC at ANY point in time before sda's "made it"?

Don't confuse a belief in a very young Earth with the doctrines of YE creationism.

 

[Barbarian]

Why do you assume the natural world isnt enough for animals to make more animals?

God made it for that purpose.

God isn't responsible for flaws, man is.

Sorry, the idea that man forced God to harm animals isn't realistic.

 

[Barbarian]

Nature is enabling creatures to make creatures. Nature is whats responsible for all new creatures.

You don't think you're a creature of God? Nature is the way God creates living things.

If we did observe "life come from nonlife", abiogenesis would be confirmed, right?

God says that it did.

 

[Barbarian]

So how did it supposedly produce life?

God didn't give us details. But we're learning about it.

It was a shock to YECs when it was found that evolutionary processes work more efficiently than design for complex problems.

Bruh. You are totally leaving out God's Omniscience. So much for

If God was not omniscient, He would have had to use design, not evolution. My God is more powerful than the God of the YE creationists.

You are not God.

But God is. Hence, evolution.

Engineers are using evo processes BECAUSE THEY ARE FINITE IN KNOWLEDGE.

They copied God's way, because God knows best.

So how did it supposedly produce life?

He didn't leave any details. But we're learning about it from the evidence He left. Would you like to learn about that?

Did life magically pop out of it?

Not from the evidence.

Or did God command life to come from it?

He created it to do so. He does most things by using nature in this world.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Don't confuse a belief in a very young Earth with the doctrines of YE creationism.

You dodged around the question. Clearly the neodarwin view is NOT helping.
Did absolutely ZERO people believe YEC at ANY point in time before sda's "made it"?

Besides a young earth, what DO you believe are the "doctrines" of YEC??

God made it for that purpose.

So it is enough then, right?

Sorry, the idea that man forced God to harm animals isn't realistic.

What a stupid strawman of the YEC position. May as well believe that men came from monkeys.

You don't think you're a creature of God?

We are. But how is this relevant

Nature is the way God creates living things.

You don't have any evidence it is God Who is directly intervening and making animals Himself, rather than nature is simply making them.
We only know He made the FIRST ones. We do not have any evidence that He is STILL making any more animals.

If i wind up a toy car and let it go, am i pushing it? Your logic would have me believe "yes".

God says that it did.

No. God made the life. Life did not magiclly pop off the dirt on its own.

He would have had to use design, not evolutio

No. God does not use "processes" as He can do anything instantly if He wishes. He knew what to use. Again, GOD DOES NOT NEED to figure out things with evo algos.

God already knows the best choice BEFORE an evo algo produces it. He has always known the best choices so there is NO need for evo algos.

Hence, evolution.

Hence "it was so", not "it was so after generations of generations".

24 Then God said, “Let the earth produce living creatures according to their kind: livestock and crawling things and animals of the earth according to their kind”; and it was so.

God formed man from the dust. Man did not pop out of the ground.

They copied God's way,

So God must be finite in knowledge then. youre literally the only one limiting God here.

Please tell me how you reconcile God's Omniscience with needing to figure out things by using an evo algo. God already knows what to make before an evo algo can get off the ground.

He created it to do so

Is that true? Is that an objective fact? Then why do we never see cows emerging from the ground? Or any other life that demonstrably wasn't there previously?

 

[KV-44-v1]

Nature could not make the FIRST, original creatures, that was something only God could do.

He does most things by using nature in this world.

That doesnt mean He used nature in Genesis.

 

[Barbarian]

Nature could not make the FIRST, original creatures, that was something only God could do.

God made nature to do just that. YE creationists don't approve of it, but He doesn't seem to care.

That doesnt mean He used nature in Genesis.

You don't think earth is natural? I think we've found the problem.