[_ Old Earth _] evolution

[Corn Pop]

Im starting to lean towards evolution now.

If God planted a single living cell in the virgin mary then i guess it was the start to life where all things were made through him yet all have there own makeup and are different.

If he can plant himself a single living cell in mary he can start evolution.

It just seems more plausible than a full human just was created there on the spot from "dust"

 

[Eugene]

Im starting to lean towards evolution now.

Brother Dan, the problem with supposition is that it is not the word of God.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gen 1:27 So God created man (mankind) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I’ve thought on evolution, flapped my arms a few times, and feathers didn’t appear. It’s all fabricated science of the same manner of men that attempt to forecast weather.

 

[Classik]

hehehe.

Monkeys have refused to evolve

 

[Barbarian]

Brother Dan, the problem with supposition is that it is not the word of God.

It is entirely consistent with the word of God. There are a lot of things that are true, that are not in the BIble.

Gen 1:27 So God created man (mankind) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It's not our bodies that are in His image. It's our minds and souls. God has no body, as Jesus has told us. He says the Father is a spirit.

http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Gen 2.7

I’ve thought on evolution, flapped my arms a few times, and feathers didn’t appear.

As they say, people are down on things they aren't up on. And that's the classic illustration.

It’s all fabricated science of the same manner of men that attempt to forecast weather.

The local guy is pretty good at that. But of course, he uses the stuff from the National Weather Service. I'm always impressed by how well they can forecast out to a week or more.

 

[Barbarian]

Monkeys have refused to evolve

They're quite a bit different from their distant ancestors. It's really a very interesting sequence, involving plate tectonics.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Im starting to lean towards evolution now.

If God planted a single living cell in the virgin mary then i guess it was the start to life where all things were made through him yet all have there own makeup and are different.

If he can plant himself a single living cell in mary he can start evolution.

It just seems more plausible than a full human just was created there on the spot from "dust"

Okay Dan, and where do the dinosaurs fit in?

 

[Classik]

They're quite a bit different from their distant ancestors. It's really a very interesting sequence, involving plate tectonics.

I disagree. Do you have any proven proof on that....or are you talking about the effect of the polluted environment on 'em? :D

 

[Eugene]

It's not our bodies that are in His image. It's our minds and souls. God has no body, as Jesus has told us. He says the Father is a spirit.

Hi Brother Barbarian, you're right; Jesus our creator did say that. John 4:24.

Col 1:15 Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
If Jesus is the firstborn, and our creator, how did we need evolve to what we are?
Col 1:16 For by Him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And then Jesus is God according to Isa 43:11 I, even I (Jesus), am the LORD (Jehovah-the official name of God); and beside me there is no Saviour. God does have a body, and image.

Concerning weather as a Science
You said: "The local guy is pretty good at that. But of course, he uses the stuff from the National Weather Service. I'm always impressed by how well they can forecast out to a week or more."
To me that's mechanics: they have better telescopes, radar, etc. With all the practice at guessing, topography maps, and computer technology they still fail to tell Joe Blow at 1600 whatever Avenue that a tornado is going to wipe him out at 4:00 PM on the morrow.
Go back to bragging on something like the man on the moon. Oh wait, we had a couple of them there guys.

 

[Barbarian]

And then Jesus is God according to Isa 43:11 I, even I (Jesus), am the LORD (Jehovah-the official name of God);

"Jehovah" is a medieval attempt to pronounce the Hebrew name for God, which was "Yahwe." The Israelites would not have recognized Him as "Jehovah."

God does have a body, and image.

Not according to Jesus. He says a spirit does not have a body.
Luke 24:39 See my hands and feet, that it is I myself; handle, and see: for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me to have.

Barbarian observes:
Concerning weather as a Science
You said: "The local guy is pretty good at that. But of course, he uses the stuff from the National Weather Service. I'm always impressed by how well they can forecast out to a week or more."

To me that's mechanics:

All science is like that.

they have better telescopes, radar, etc. With all the practice at guessing, topography maps, and computer technology they still fail to tell Joe Blow at 1600 whatever Avenue that a tornado is going to wipe him out at 4:00 PM on the morrow.

I've never been impressed by the argument that if we don't know everything, we can't know anything.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian, regarding monkeys:
They're quite a bit different from their distant ancestors. It's really a very interesting sequence, involving plate tectonics.

I disagree. Do you have any proven proof on that....

Yep. The division between the New World and Old World monkeys (the latter gave rise to apes) is due to the breakup of the supercontinent and subsequent separation of South American and Africa.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/earlyprimates/early_2.htm

 

[Barbarian]

Okay Dan, and where do the dinosaurs fit in?

The earliest dinosaurs, like Herrerasaurus, were little more than advanced thecodot reptiles. The late theropod dinosaurs had many of the adaptations found in birds today. They were a highly diverse and successful group in their time. Actually, two different groups. Polyphyletic, in a word.

 

[turnorburn]

"Jehovah" is a medieval attempt to pronounce the Hebrew name for God, which was "Yahwe." The Israelites would not have recognized Him as "Jehovah."



Not according to Jesus. He says a spirit does not have a body.
Luke 24:39 See my hands and feet, that it is I myself; handle, and see: for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me to have.

Barbarian observes:
Concerning weather as a Science
You said: "The local guy is pretty good at that. But of course, he uses the stuff from the National Weather Service. I'm always impressed by how well they can forecast out to a week or more."



All science is like that.



I've never been impressed by the argument that if we don't know everything, we can't know anything.

According to Exodus he has a body..

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

He covered Moses with his hand..

tob

*edit: seems he has a face and back parts as well..

 

[Corn Pop]

Brother Dan, the problem with supposition is that it is not the word of God.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gen 1:27 So God created man (mankind) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I’ve thought on evolution, flapped my arms a few times, and feathers didn’t appear. It’s all fabricated science of the same manner of men that attempt to forecast weather.

It depends how scripture is to be taken. Im sure there is room for figures of speech just like there is many things that are symbolic also. Think of how long and complicated the bible would it be if every single detail was noted. So they shorten it with figures of speech.

 

[Barbarian]

If we can believe Jesus, God has no body.

Can He assume a body and appear to us? Yes. But we are in the image of God in mind and soul, not body.

Both the Bible and good philosophy report that God is non-physical - spirit. In John 4:24 it is said that God is spirit (see also Luke 24:39; Romans 1:20; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17). This is why no material thing was to be used to represent God (Exodus 20:4). But this can also be shown by reflecting on what God is. Philosophically the same truth comes through. All that is created is necessarily finite and limited. But the first cause (God) is uncreated, and therefore must be non-finite, or infinite. That which is beyond the finite must, by definition, be infinite, and the Bible states that God is beyond creation (1 Kings 8:27; Job 11:7-9; Isaiah 66:1-2; Colossians 1:17). That which is physical cannot be infinite - for you cannot add finite parts together until they reach infinity. Therefore God is spirit as opposed to physical/material in His Being. This does not mean He cannot localize a physical appearance. God is not composed of matter nor any other imaginable substance. He also cannot be measured, is not spatial, and has no true location (presence is a different concept)...
There were times in the Bible when God appeared in a physical body in order to be seen by men in a form which they could perceive without danger to themselves. Because God said, “No man can see me and live” (Exodus 33:20), He chose at certain times to reveal Himself in human form. These occurrences are called theophanies (Genesis 12:7-9; 18:1-33; 32:22-30). Every theophany wherein God takes on human form foreshadows the incarnation, where God took the form of a man to live among us as Emmanuel, “God with us” (Matthew 1:23).
http://www.gotquestions.org/God-physical-body.html

God is spirit, and as such he doesn't have a body (Lk 24:39: "A spirit does not have flesh and bone."). When the Bible speaks of our being made in his image, then, it doesn't mean we're like him physically. It means that, like God, we possess a spiritual aspect to our being. Like God, we can truly know, will, and love.
Part of the problem here is that many people who should know better succumb to an anthropomorphic view of God. They think of him as an old man with a long beard who sits on a throne in the sky.


However helpful such ideas maybe when not taken literally, they can be harmful when their anthropomorphic nature isn't understood. The Old Man in the Sky divinity is easily disproved and ridiculed. After the first Soviet cosmonauts returned to Earth, they thought their atheism was vindicated because they hadn't seen God in outer space.


It's a good thing they didn't see him there, for it would have disproved Christianity if they had. Christians believe God transcends the limitations of matter. He's not confined to a body at a particular place. (And he's not restricted to living on another planet as some science fiction writers have imagined.)
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/does-god-have-a-body-like-ours

 

[turnorburn]

What does this say Barbarian?

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

He covered Moses with his hand..

tob

 

[Corn Pop]

I dont think he has a real hand. Its just the closest way to give some sort of understanding in written form. Who can understand or fully know God?

 

[turnorburn]

I dont think he has a real hand. Its just the closest way to give some sort of understanding in written form. Who can understand or fully know God?

We can Dan that's the wonderful news of the gospel..

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

tob

 

[Corn Pop]

You cant see spirit. I believe its abother realm out of this material. Kind of like a dream.

I mean he could have a figure just like in a dream things have figures but are not material.

I dont know.

 

[turnorburn]

You cant see spirit. I believe its abother realm out of this material. Kind of like a dream.

I mean he could have a figure just like in a dream things have figures but are not material.

I dont know.

Stay with Gods word don't let your mind drift what does this scripture say?

Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

God has a face hands and body parts just like you and me Dan we were made in his image..

tob

*edit: you pray about this i mean get down serious prayer, I'll be praying for you as well..

Good night Dan..

tob

 

[Corn Pop]

Stay with Gods word don't let your mind drift what does this scripture say?

Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

God has a face hands and body parts just like you and me Dan we were made in his image..

tob

*edit: you pray about this i mean get down serious prayer, I'll be praying for you as well..

Good night Dan..

tob

An image is an image. It does not mean it must be material. Scripture says he is spirit and an image of spirit i guess is non material like emotions. You cannot touch love or hate yet it exists.

Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit so inside himself was perfect. He had perfect spirit and was in harmony with God in his image. Just like Adam and Eve was in harmony with God in spirit until they choose to take a different path and be there own gods.