[_ Old Earth _] Evolutionism - The Odd Man Out

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[2Pillars]

The problem with your theory and imagination - you're combining apples and oranges, thus, creating your own sour grapes.

None of those cited verses you mentioned and so proud about in connection with Lucifer and those other "fallen angels" have anything to do with the actual context of Genesis 1:1-3. That is just lack of comprehension on your part.

Obviously, you don’t know the meaning and the usage of word “GENESIS†do you? Perhaps, that is the reason why you keep looking for the ENDING of the Angels of Lucifer, correct?

Here’s the meaning of “GENESIS†for your convenience.

Genesis: noun - The initial stage of a developmental process: beginning, birth, commencement, dawn, inception, nascence, nascency, onset, opening, origin, outset, spring, start.

See, even Webster disagree with you. She is wondering what the hect is wrong with you looking for the ENDING of the reign of Lucifer, in the book of Genesis? :

The name of the title of the book "Genesis" speaks of the BEGINNING – birth or the initial stage of the developmental process of creation -- not the ENDING of the reign of Lucifer, based on the wild imagination of your religious faith. :roll:

Someone told me once before, very similar to J. Cochran famous phrase.....

"IF IT DOESN'T FIT, YOU MUST QUIT".

And if you were that gullible, then I have some prime swamp land that I am sure you would be interested in seeing. Your personal interpretation of the Genesis is Not supported by Scripture.

TRY AGAIN? :-D


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Here's the story of the Beginning "outside the box" :-D but based on the TRUTH of the Scripture and discovered Science findings.

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements.

The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

Back to the Topic:

When Jesus made the creatures, he made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc. kinds.

Micro is Descent with Modification, within His kinds.

Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down).

http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htm

See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- Genesis 6:4 - the sons of God (prehistoric" beings or mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men, as documented in Genesis 6!!!

On the other hand, Macro-Evolution is a Lie from the pits of Hell and excludes God from His own Creation. No entirely different kind species can produce offspring together.

The fact that God continues to Create confuses those who believe wolf like ungulates evolved into Whales. :-D


God Bless

 

[Grengor]

Back to the Topic:

When Jesus made the creatures, he made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc. kinds.

Micro is Descent with Modification, within His kinds.

Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down).

http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htm

See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- Genesis 6:4 - the sons of God (prehistoric" beings or mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men, as documented in Genesis 6!!!

On the other hand, Macro-Evolution is a Lie from the pits of Hell and excludes God from His own Creation. No entirely different kind species can produce offspring together.

The fact that God continues to Create confuses those who believe wolf like ungulates evolved into Whales. :-D


God Bless

So, what's the biological barrier, or the exact mechanism difference between micro and macro? I'd also like a link to the peer reviewed scientific article discussing this fascinating new discovery.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Grengor,

Micro-evolution or descend with modification happens everytime a baby is born. They are confined to their kind.

Macro-evolution is based on the extension of Charles Darwin's wild imagination which is not supported by Science - no evidence to show.

Here's one link that you can ponder - per your request.

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0 ... _Evol.html


Thanks.

 

[2Pillars]

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created abundantly from the water on Day 5. This creation included the sons of God or mankind (Genesis 6:4).

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.

Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, after the rain. Genesis 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, man also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet.

We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God created every living creature that moveth, from the water abanduntly, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day.

Today's arrogant Evols and "Scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.


God Bless

 

[Grengor]

Dear Grengor,

Micro-evolution or descend with modification happens everytime a baby is born. They are confined to their kind.

Macro-evolution is based on the extension of Charles Darwin's wild imagination which is not supported by Science - no evidence to show.

Here's one link that you can ponder - per your request.

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0 ... _Evol.html


Thanks.

Thanks for the link, it still didn't answere a single question. What's the actual genetic barrier stopping mutation #999 from leading to #1000. That's all macro is, micro over and over again. If you were to witness a single huge genetic shift in a creature able to have viable offspring, evolution would be falsified. To say that there is no example of macro, therefore it is conjecture, is simple unfounded. The mechanisms are exactly the same.

Hmm....no evidence to show?
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html
http://www.txtwriter.com/Backgrounders/ ... tents.html

Please define what a kind is, with a classification system.

Please, don't dance this time. Just answere the question.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,


Again, when Jesus made the creatures, he made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc.

Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations. Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God.

I've waited patiently for just One Godless Evol to bring forth evidence that we "evolved" our Human intelligence, and None has been posted. Blind Evol worshippers consider that a more plausible scenario, I suppose.

Evols, please state factual evidence for EvolutionISM here:

 

[Imagican]

Wow, someone else that realizes that falsities perpetuated by the churches concerning creation. How refreshing.

There were OBVIOUSLY two separate creations of humans. Those created in the 'first' chapter of Genesis, and Adam created in the second. The 'first' given EVERY herb and tree on the face of all the earth to be used for food. Then there was Adam created and placed in a particular spot, (Garden of Eden), and told that there was A TREE that he was NOT to eat from.

I've never heard the water/dust theory before and it's quite interesting.

I do know that 'in the beginning', God had hoped that His 'second creation' would remain 'separate' from the 'first'. This is OBVIOUS when one reads of the generations of Adam and Eve. At the end of the story of their lineage, we end up with a man named Noah. The Bible plainly states that Noah was a 'just' man, and PERFECT in his GENERATIONS. Thus, the reason that God chose him to 'start afresh' the people that would follow Him. Perfect in his generations=direct descendants of Adam and Eve without the dilution of their seed with the 'first creation'. Sons of God, daughters of men? Sons' of God=descendants of Adam, daughters of men=first creation. First creation=source of the wife of Cain. There were obviously many, many people on the planet BEFORE the creation of Adam.

 

[Heidi]

I'm waiting and have been for many, many, years. So far NO Evol has been able to identify another Civilization older than that of Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat. God's Word stands against the false theories of man. There was NO Human Civilization until Noah arrived on this Planet some 10,000 years ago.

Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this Planet. NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.

Don't we find it coincidental that the Cradle of Civilization, the home of writing, math, and Civilization, on this Planet, is just South of the mountains of Ararat? God's Truth is the Truth in every way.

God Bless

It's also good to remember that no baby is born with knowledge. It's learned. All those things you listed are from previous minds. And I wonder how "advanced" man would think he is if he didn't have previous minds to have done his calculating for him. He would be just like Adam. ;-)

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Heidi,

You're absolutely correct and I agree with you.

The 1st Human City was built by Cain with NO preconditions, and virtually No evolution. When one possess Human Intelligence, he doesn't have to wait for Evolution for some 4 Million years, to built himself a home.

After 4 Million + years, Evolution Never produced anyone who built a city. Noah's grandsons produced Offspring who built the 1st Human Cities on this Planet.

That's what happens when you combine the physical DNA of the sons of God, with the Human Intelligence of Adam's descendants.

We get today's Human Beings, and you don't have to wait for Millions of years to become Civilized.


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

Wow, someone else that realizes that falsities perpetuated by the churches concerning creation. How refreshing.

There were OBVIOUSLY two separate creations of humans. Those created in the 'first' chapter of Genesis, and Adam created in the second. The 'first' given EVERY herb and tree on the face of all the earth to be used for food. Then there was Adam created and placed in a particular spot, (Garden of Eden), and told that there was A TREE that he was NOT to eat from.

Dear Imagican:

I agree with you PARTIALY, however, Adam was the first Living Being made. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, after the rain Genesis 2:4-7.

This gives man Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures including mankind (called "prehistoric beings by scientist but sons of God by the Lord) - who were made on the 5th. Day Genesis 1:20-21

If you notice, the living creatures and and fowl of the air which were created and made on the 5th Day received their SEPARATE BLESSING from God (compare to Genesis 1:28) - which should indicate to us, that, it was a separate creation in a different place (our earth) NOT at the Garden of Eden or the 1st Heaven (the world of Adam thru Noah) made on the 2nd. day Genesis 1:6-8.

Genesis 1:22-23
22 And God bless THEM (pronoun), saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

That's also why some of these living creatures and animals were brought to Adam at the Garden of Eden and name them at the beginning of the 6th day.


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

I've never heard the water/dust theory before and it's quite interesting.

I do know that 'in the beginning', God had hoped that His 'second creation' would remain 'separate' from the 'first'. This is OBVIOUS when one reads of the generations of Adam and Eve. At the end of the story of their lineage, we end up with a man named Noah. The Bible plainly states that Noah was a 'just' man, and PERFECT in his GENERATIONS. Thus, the reason that God chose him to 'start afresh' the people that would follow Him. Perfect in his generations=direct descendants of Adam and Eve without the dilution of their seed with the 'first creation'. Sons of God, daughters of men? Sons' of God=descendants of Adam, daughters of men=first creation. First creation=source of the wife of Cain. There were obviously many, many people on the planet BEFORE the creation of Adam.

Dear Imagican:

The source originated on the 5th Day when God created every living creature that moveth, from the water abundantly Gen 1:21 .

This includes "prehistoric beings" as referred to by our scientist, but called sons of God by our Lord. Genesis 6 tells us that when they married the daughters of Adam, Great and Mighty men, were the offspring.

Cain's descendants were a dead end. After some 1620 years, they were all destroyed in the universal Flood.

Today's Humans can trace their origin to Adam through Seth. God also called Adam and Eve's name "Adam" (Hebrew-mankind) in the Day they were created in God's Image. Gen 5:2

The source on this Planet was Noah. When Noah arrived, his sons were married, but his grandsons, like Cain, married the Prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

Incest is NEVER part of the blessing of our Lord, in the multiplication process of mankind even during the beginning. The filthy assumption is only based on the imagination of those who cannot understand the Book of Genesis.

The combination of the descendants of the sons of God and Adam's descendants brought Human Intelligence to this "Planet of Apes" (described at times by scientist term). Human Civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival, exactly as God told us more than 3,000 years ago.

Just as happened on the 1st heaven or the Garden of Eden (Adam's world), agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, on this present Planet.

NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers:

Gen. 6:1-5 shows the sons of God (mankind or prehistoric beings) married the daughter of man (Adam), and their offspring became MIGHTY MEN of old.

These men inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of their world. Gen. 6:13

Gen. 6:4 calls these men GIANTS and MIGHTY MEN of old - 1st world -- and the text also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would happen again...."AND ALSO AFTER THAT"... is prophecy that the sons of God and the descendants of Adam would also unite here on earth, after their first union of their former world.

Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 after Noah arrived on this planet and Cush marries a woman whose ancestors originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the the prehistoric beings or mankind created on the 5th day.

Gen. 10:8“And Cush begat Nimrod: HE BEGAN TO BE MIGHTY ONE on this earth.

The result of this union produced Nimrod, who built the 1st Cities of this Earth. History agrees.

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

The final result of the mixing of Adam's descendants and prehistoric man ALSO produced violent, unbelieving humans of today, and doomed this present world to destruction, as well. ll Peter 3:10


God Bless

 

[Khristeeanos]

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

This information is outdated. I will start a thread on this soon, ok?

 

[army_of_juan]

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

This information is outdated. I will start a thread on this soon, ok?

Make sure you update Wikipedia to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

 

[Khristeeanos]

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

This information is outdated. I will start a thread on this soon, ok?

Make sure you update Wikipedia to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

You are probably aware that Heckel's embryo drawings are still in textbooks even considering he was taken to court and admitted his drawings were forgeries.


That was over 100 years ago.

 

[ArtGuy]

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

This information is outdated. I will start a thread on this soon, ok?

Which part is outdated? The fact that there was a Mitochondrial Eve is pretty much a given. I assume you just dispute that this woman lived 150,000 years ago?

 

[army_of_juan]

The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 150,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

This information is outdated. I will start a thread on this soon, ok?

Make sure you update Wikipedia to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

You are probably aware that Heckel's embryo drawings are still in textbooks even considering he was taken to court and admitted his drawings were forgeries.

That was over 100 years ago.

Find me one book written in the last 5 years that has these.
Technically they were not frauds (and it's Haeckel) but recapitulation is wrong but that's not what's being taught.
The blame lies with the textbook writers recycling the old drawings and most modern books use real pics.

"Modern textbooks usually contain photographs to show the similarities in embryo development among related species, and these similarities, such as gill-like structures, are still seen as evidence of the common ancestry of humans and fish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_drawings