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Rick Warren: False Teacher

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An Analysis of Rick Warren's The Purpose-Driven® Life

Role of Religion in U.S. Foreign Policy Focus of New Council Initiative

February 6, 2006
Council on Foreign Relations

Religion and Foreign Policy Meeting Series, in New York and Washington, on the impact of religious doctrine on foreign policy. In recent months, the Council has hosted Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission; Rick Warren, founding pastor of Saddleback Church and author of The Purpose Driven Life;

Role of Religion in U.S. Foreign Policy Focus of New Council Initiative - Council on Foreign Relations


Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:51-52
Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three.

John 15:18
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
 
RICK JOYNER & The Third Wave

"There will also be some new wonders coming to the church. We had some of these just recently where Bob Jones and I heard angels singing twice in a meeting. This didn't even take any faith, it was so loud and so clear, it was like a choir singing. Another time, we had the odor of incense fill a meeting for about 15 minutes. It was so intense that you couldn't help but smell it...He gave it as a witness that He was receiving the intercession from these people, the prayers and their intercession. He had said He would come with a sign that we would smell the incense. It came so powerfully faith was hardly needed. And we saw the wind of the Spirit blow so hard at a meeting you could see people's hair blowing! So He is coming a whole lot more dramatically. As one brother said, 'This hardly takes any faith, it is so obvious.' But when He comes in ways like that, it is always to give a message. He is not just trying to tickle our curiosity or our interest in supernatural things, He is trying to say something to us."

[SIZE=+0]One of the major points I have tried to make through (my) book, is that there has been a "conditioning" of God's people over the years. They have been conditioned to become more attuned to sensual manifestation than to the Word of God. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]Joyner ends this paragraph by saying that "He (God) is trying to say something to us." [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]God has spoken already through His Son and through the Word of God, He doesn't need to give you scents of honeysuckle to let you know He heard your prayers. He wants us to come by faith. [/SIZE]Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

[SIZE=+0]I could go on and on about the damage done to the Charismatic church and the Body as a whole, through the Kansas City Prophets affair, but I think I've made my point. I contend that what we are seeing in Toronto, through [/SIZE]Rodney Howard-Browne[SIZE=+0], and all over the world, is merely the logical next step, to what was begun in the 1940's, carried on by the Latter Rain/Manifested Sons teachers, progressing into the Dominion Now, Kingdom Now crowd, The Faith Message, the prophetic move, up to this day. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]Where is this "river" taking us? Into delusion and apostasy! [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0](Rick Joyner, Faith Hardly Needed From Fullness, Jan/Feb 1990 "The Unfolding of a Prophet." Page 13, with commentary by Bill Randles, Weighed And Found Wanting, 1994, appendix)[/SIZE]

Quotes from Rick Joyner | Deception Bytes
 
Zone,

being born while Dad was attending Glad Tidings San Francisco i was raise AofG. That so many of these guys/gals are, if not close, to AofG breaks my heart. But then again Gene Scott wrote much of their later doctirne. We need to clean house... Seeing the cover up on small scales, It was covered that the CA director for Northern Ca was a womeniser in the 50s. I personaly know the man and family.
 
Sam,

Can a person tell only a partial lie? I believe many of these guys start out right and the .... power, fame, yes men, sadly gets a hold of them.. When a man says the Holy Spirit told me this would happen and it does not who is the liar?

These men and women cheat God and people. They make a mockery of the beatitudes, which are the very Words of Christ. They use the name of Jesus for personal gain( look at their fruit). They do a great job of giving the likes of filthy Hollywood fodder.
When is the person an actual false teacher and when is the person just a bible teacher that has taught a particular thing false? I got a little insight into this by studying the kings of Israel, they are defined by the bible as either a good king or a bad king. In every case all kings did some good and some bad,the only defining factor that I could recognize was that the good kings made a practice of doing good(though they sometime did bad)and the bad kings made a practice of doing bad(though they sometimes did good). Now Jim Jones, David Keresh, and others of that persuasion made a practice of rejecting exclusive faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Even though they have done some good(and they did)yet it seems correct to call them bad. On the other hand, Copeland,Hinn,Warren, and others of that persuasion do teach exclusive faith in Christ and his sacrifice and have helped others trust Christ. So even though they are doing some serious bad by teaching false doctrine(which is very dangerous),yet they may still be true children of God who are simply caught up in disobedience to God in some areas. Now I am not defending the false doctrine, however I am not convinced(at least at this time)that they are outside the body of Christ.
 
We must not assume that anyone with a platform and a Bible in their hand has been called or ordained by God to "minister." Nor must we assume that someone is "spirit-filled" (with a Godly spirit), just because they claim that to be the case. We must test the words from all men against stripture keeping in mind that God's word is the authority and that these men are NOT authorities.

It puzzles me that there are so many teachers now in an age of nearly worldwide literacy. It would make sense that as christianity grows and christians grow individually that the need for such "leaders" would steadily diminish, but instead, for whatever reason ($) there seems to be more and more people getting the "calling", very interesting.............
 
Very good point. Very seldom do I find a bible teacher that teaches something that I do not already know and in many cases I am aware that I know the teaching better than the teacher.
 
Sam, we all must do what we believe to right. I see them as false teachers doing harm to the body you don't.

I will not be part of a cover up. I am sure a person can be found that truly believes
Keresh did some good.

Luk 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
Luk 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
 
I wonder how Gene Scott figures in this? I know him to be a creep.
 
Zone,

being born while Dad was attending Glad Tidings San Francisco i was raise AofG. That so many of these guys/gals are, if not close, to AofG breaks my heart. But then again Gene Scott wrote much of their later doctirne. We need to clean house... Seeing the cover up on small scales, It was covered that the CA director for Northern Ca was a womeniser in the 50s. I personaly know the man and family.

reba
i'm very pleased to meet you.
AoG has caused such damage. i'm sure you know it has it's roots in British Israelism.

i've been edified by your posts (though the topic is unpleasant), it's a relief to see Jesus does not those who love truth floundering in the dark.

keep plowing sister...
zone.
 
Sam, we all must do what we believe to right. I see them as false teachers doing harm to the body you don't.

I will not be part of a cover up. I am sure a person can be found that truly believes
Keresh did some good.

Luk 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
Luk 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

:clap
 
reba
i'm very pleased to meet you.
AoG has caused such damage. i'm sure you know it has it's roots in British Israelism.

i've been edified by your posts (though the topic is unpleasant), it's a relief to see Jesus does not those who love truth floundering in the dark.

keep plowing sister...
zone.


I have not heard the British Israelism stemming from AofG. That is Shepard’s Chapel sick trash. AofG as was most any organization of the 40s and 50 were segregated. In some time frame the by laws were rewritten.
 
Those who promote lies willy nilly lack spiritual grace and discernment. Following the crowd is a weakness.



That is what i have been trying to tell ya'. Praise the Lord you got it!
 
I have not heard the British Israelism stemming from AofG. That is Shepard’s Chapel sick trash. AofG as was most any organization of the 40s and 50 were segregated. In some time frame the by laws were rewritten.

British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the belief that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The concept often includes the belief that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.[1][2] There has never been a single head or an organisational structure to the movement. Adherents may hold a diverse set of beliefs and claims that are ancillary to the core genealogical theory.

Many believe the central tenets of British Israelism contradict modern genetic, linguistic, archeological and historical evidence. They are considered by some without scientific credibility.[3][4] The concept and theory details have been thoroughly criticized.

The theory of British Israelism was also vigorously promoted by Herbert W. Armstrong,[14] founder and former Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God. Armstrong believed the was a key to understanding biblical prophecy: "One might ask, were not biblical prophecies closed and sealed? Indeed they were—until now! And even now they can be understood only by those who possess the master key to unlock them." (Armstrong, 1967, p. 5)[15] Armstrong believed that he was called by God to proclaim the prophecies to the Lost Tribes of Israel before the "end-times".[16] Armstrong's belief caused his separation from the Church of God Seventh Day because of its refusal to adopt the theory.

Armstrong created his own church, first called the "Radio Church of God" and later renamed the "Worldwide Church of God".[16] He described British Israelism as a "central plank" of his theology.[17] (See 'Armstrongism'.)

........................

Getting in to more modern times, the Revival Centre position on British-Israel can be traced back to the one-time Assembly of God ('AoG') preacher, Leo Harris. Leo was on a Revival tour in Victoria in 1941.

History of British Israelism

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The Revival Centres International is a Pentecostal Church, with its headquarters in Melbourne, Australia, it has approximately 300 centres in 22 countries including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Fiji, Italy, Kenya, Papua New Guinea, Malawi, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.[1] [2]
The Revival Centres was formed as a separate identity from the Commonwealth Revival Crusade in 1958, and at a short time later became a registered denomination pursuant to the Marriage Act 1961 (Cth), as Revival Centres of Australia.

The Church has a strong emphasis on the need to show evidence of glossolalia, known as 'speaking in unknown tongues', to demonstrate the receiving the Holy Spirit to be considered a full member of the Church and a saved Christian. Revival Centres International bases its glossolalia teaching on a literalistic interpretation of Acts 2, a trait with some other Pentecostal groups. [3]. However, Revival Centres does not affiliate with any other religious organisation and are not a member of the World Council of Churches. [4]

Revival Centres International statement about the British Israel Identification is that it draws together Biblical and historical clues to identify which peoples represent the fulfillment of God's promises to the Old Testament nation of Israel. They believe that God's intention for Israel was that they would be a blessing to all the families (nations, ethnic groupings etc.) of the earth, not that they would form some kind of 'master race'. Some of these "British Israel" Identification includes linking emblems of modern day nations to Israel emblems from the Bible, such as the UK Royal Coat of Arms and the Seal of The President Of The United States Of America.[18] [19]The identifications also includes links of the mottos of the emblems to biblical descriptions.[20][21]
 
The NEXT person to derail this thread or make a derogatory remark against another member WILL get an infraction and will be blocked from posting ... that is if the next infraction doesn't not warrant a suspension.

It's getting old people. I have much better things to do than babysit a few individuals who insist on insulting one another. If this were a social experiment, some of you would fail miserably. :shame

You are Christians. Act accordingly or take the circus on the road. :grumpy
 
Wow, this is getting heated. I know we can sometimes get emotional during discussions/debates (bad habit of mine), but remember, were all Christian brothers and sisters here. Just take a deep breath, and relax. :)

Ive been reading this topic since like, 2 days ago, and its kind of all over the place, so honestly im a little confused. If a preacher is right in most things he does, but is teaching something that is false, you shouldnt instantly throw out the "wolf in sheeps cloathing" accusation, as it is a very serious accusation to make. People can have good intentions but be misguised in one way or another. We all make mistakes, that is why Jesus died for us. I realize that teaching a false doctrine is very serious, but we have to remember that all church doctrine is based on the Bible as interpreted by man. You could very well interpret the scriptures in a way that they were not meant, and from that begin to teach "false doctrine". That doesnt necesarilly make you a false teacher the same way someone who intentionally seeks to pervert the scripture is a false teacher. Also, before you believe (and spread) that a certain pastor/priest is a false teacher, you should do a lot of research. Ive seen "christian" news websites take the words spoken by pastors and twist them to mean exactly what they want them to say. I would consider these "christians" wolves in sheeps clothing. They live to create strife and confusion among the church. Remember, not everything you read is true, especially if its on the internet.
 
Wow, this is getting heated. I know we can sometimes get emotional during discussions/debates (bad habit of mine), but remember, were all Christian brothers and sisters here. Just take a deep breath, and relax. :)

Ive been reading this topic since like, 2 days ago, and its kind of all over the place, so honestly im a little confused. If a preacher is right in most things he does, but is teaching something that is false, you shouldnt instantly throw out the "wolf in sheeps cloathing" accusation, as it is a very serious accusation to make. People can have good intentions but be misguised in one way or another. We all make mistakes, that is why Jesus died for us. I realize that teaching a false doctrine is very serious, but we have to remember that all church doctrine is based on the Bible as interpreted by man. You could very well interpret the scriptures in a way that they were not meant, and from that begin to teach "false doctrine". That doesnt necesarilly make you a false teacher the same way someone who intentionally seeks to pervert the scripture is a false teacher. Also, before you believe (and spread) that a certain pastor/priest is a false teacher, you should do a lot of research. Ive seen "christian" news websites take the words spoken by pastors and twist them to mean exactly what they want them to say. I would consider these "christians" wolves in sheeps clothing. They live to create strife and confusion among the church. Remember, not everything you read is true, especially if its on the internet.

True, and part of the problem is that we oftentime exalt the men to the point where they are sort of demigods whose words are on a par with The Lord's. That is not fair to them, and is shows that we was placing an expectation on others that we do not place on ourselves. We need to drop the idea that any MAN/Human is and authority, Jesus is our teacher, our head, and our authority, no one else. These men who make mistakes from time to time are for the most part good, well intentioned people who make mess up just like we all do. We need to see those as our brothers and try to help and guide them when necessary.
 
Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

2 Thessalonians 3:14
If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 John 1
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what wea have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
 
I have not heard the British Israelism stemming from AofG. That is Shepard’s Chapel sick trash. AofG as was most any organization of the 40s and 50 were segregated. In some time frame the by laws were rewritten.
Dear Reba, By AoG do you mean the "Assemblies of God"? I had not heard that the Assemblies were British Israelites. Nor had I heard if they were racist. I heard they were started in Hot Springs, Arkansas, in 1914, and that their theology was Arminian. I was attracted to Pentecostalism between agees 17-22, and I later learned Francis A. Schaeffer's apologetic theology, which was a kind of a balance against Pentecostal emotionalism (revivalism). That was Reformed and Evangelical, but not overtly pushing Calvinism. Just generic Evangelical Christian. Presbyterian.
I have been in Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Assembly of God congregations. Out of curiosity, and I highly regret this, I even attended a Jehovah's Witness service, just to see what they teach. I could not believe in Jehovah Witness Christology. When I was there, the whole place was depressing, dark, and haunted by demons. I have felt a strong presence of evil when I was in the whole service. It was like spiritual slavery. I hope God forgives my curiosity. I should have known better I would not learn anything good from this group of people. After all, they teach the slander and blasphemy that the Trinity teaching is a product of satan. Go figure.
The last church I was in was a Russian Orthodox Church.
I have been learning contradictory doctrines over the years. The ROC is quite diffferent is spirit and attitude and truth than any of the Western groups.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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