False teachers

[reba]

Zone, This is a false teaching so i don’t think we are derailing the thread.

I enjoy the forum and appreciate the moderators having been places that don't have 'em.

This guy didn't seem to be in the AofG long. Man we can mess up Gods Word so fast .

 

[reba]

I see them as false teachers also, but are they sheep that have went their own way OR are they wolves in sheep skins?

Guessing they are wolves.

As stated before my first expreance with a creepy preacher was AA Allan. 1955-56
Before me was alway a simple man of God, humble, trusting, giving, honest . The AofG sent Dad into places so he could clean up the mess... Some of these mess up guys were hidden by sending them to a mission field. ( mess up= funds not being correct) What kind of LOOK GOOD ON SUNDAY MORNING is that?


These big name guys need to be accountable. When we the guy in the pew are not willing to hold them to Bibical standards who will. These guys/gals have made joe public the guy in the pew through the TV.

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 

[reba]

Zone & Scott..

I found this...

In 1941 at age 23 Leo Harris became the Pastor of the Ballarat AOG, it was here that he met historic and prophetic lecturer Pastor Thomas Foster, who introduced him to British-Israelite theology. The British-Israelite doctrine was not accepted as an official doctrine of the Assemblies of God, so in 1944 Pastor Leo Harris with Pastor Thomas Foster started a new movement called the National Revival Crusade (NRC

Nice to find somethng OK

 

[zone]

I see them as false teachers also, but are they sheep that have went their own way OR are they wolves in sheep skins?

hi sam
that is an EXCELLENT question.

i suppose it doesn't matter if they ONCE professed to believe if they end up in the ditch.

but, Jesus died for those sins also.

i would assume if an heretic was to see the error of his ways and repent, he would be forgiven. it might be safe to say that if someone truly saw the gravity of their false teaching and repented, they would publically renounce the heresy.

that would be great testimony...and if The Spirit in us testified the conversion/repentence was authentic, we would receive that man with joy.

Saul of Tarsus, for example.

but it appears The Spirit does not always lead heretics to repentence: it looks as though some in the pulpits and temples were never ordained to be there to begin with: so, the warnings to us to BEWARE.

Matthew 15
What Defiles a Person
10 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.†12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?†13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.c And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.â€

 

[zone]

Zone & Scott..

I found this...

In 1941 at age 23 Leo Harris became the Pastor of the Ballarat AOG, it was here that he met historic and prophetic lecturer Pastor Thomas Foster, who introduced him to British-Israelite theology. The British-Israelite doctrine was not accepted as an official doctrine of the Assemblies of God, so in 1944 Pastor Leo Harris with Pastor Thomas Foster started a new movement called the National Revival Crusade (NRC

Nice to find somethng OK

that is a relief reba....
thank you for that!
you are right....just as important to point out when ppl turn away from bad teachings!
good for them!

 

[reba]

Amen Zone

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

 

[jasoncran]

i googled that, wow whacked.

i never even heard of that one.

the windors jews,lol.

 

[Strangelove]

Wow, this is getting heated. I know we can sometimes get emotional during discussions/debates (bad habit of mine), but remember, were all Christian brothers and sisters here. Just take a deep breath, and relax.

Ive been reading this topic since like, 2 days ago, and its kind of all over the place, so honestly im a little confused. If a preacher is right in most things he does, but is teaching something that is false, you shouldnt instantly throw out the "wolf in sheeps cloathing" accusation, as it is a very serious accusation to make. People can have good intentions but be misguised in one way or another. We all make mistakes, that is why Jesus died for us. I realize that teaching a false doctrine is very serious, but we have to remember that all church doctrine is based on the Bible as interpreted by man. You could very well interpret the scriptures in a way that they were not meant, and from that begin to teach "false doctrine". That doesnt necesarilly make you a false teacher the same way someone who intentionally seeks to pervert the scripture is a false teacher. Also, before you believe (and spread) that a certain pastor/priest is a false teacher, you should do a lot of research. Ive seen "christian" news websites take the words spoken by pastors and twist them to mean exactly what they want them to say. I would consider these "christians" wolves in sheeps clothing. They live to create strife and confusion among the church. Remember, not everything you read is true, especially if its on the internet.

I've seen a few posts like this so far....but can you actually address the false teachers and specific teachings that we've brought forward and defend the accused?

To me they are indefensable. Even if they are deceived and deceiving they need to be exposed as false teachers.

 

[Adstar]

i googled that, wow whacked.

i never even heard of that one.

the windors jews,lol.

Funny you say that. I have heard that prince charles claims to be a descendant of King David.

Someone even gave me the supposed family tree. lets see if i can find it again. looking looking looking...

Found it.

JUDAH begat Phares,

Phares begat Esrom,

Esrom begat Aram,

Aram begat Aminadab,

Aminadab begat Nashon,

Nashon begat Salmon,

Salmon begat Boaz,

Boaz begat Obed,

Obed begat Jesse,

Jesse begat DAVID,

DAVID begat SOLOMON,

SOLOMON begat Rehoboam,

Rehboam begat Abijah,

Abijah begat Asa,

Asa begat Jehosaphat,

Jehosaphat begat Jehoram,

Jehoram begat Ahaziah,

Ahaziah begat Joash,

Joash begat Amaziah,

Amaziah begat Uzziah,

Uzziah begat Jotham,

Jotham begat Ahaz,

Ahaz begat Hezekiah,

Hezekiah begat Manasseh,

Manasseh begat Amon,

Amon begat Josiah,

Josiah begat ZEDEKIAH, (Blinded & Captive in Babylon, who was released)

ZEDEKIAH begat TEA TEPHI, (Ancestor of Irish & Scottish Kings)

TEA TEPHI begat Ugaine the Great,

Ugaine the Great begat Argus the Prolific,

Argus the Prolific begat Ferchard,

Ferchard begat Fergus I,

Fergus I begat Maine,

Maine begat Dornadil,

Dornadil begat Reuther,

Reuther begat Eders,

Eders begat Conaire the Great,

Conaire the Great begat Corbred I,

Corbred I begat Corbred II,

Corbred II begat Modha Lamha,

Modha Lamha begat Saraid Conaire II,

Saraid Conaire II begat Corbred Dalriada,

Corbred Dalraida begat Eochaidh,

Eochaidh begat Athirco,

Athirco begat Findachar,

Findachar begat Thrinklind,

Thrinklind begat Fincormach,

Fincormach begat Romaich,

Romaich begat Angus,

Angua begat Eochaidh,

Eochaidh begat Erch,

Erch begat Fergus the Great,

Fergus the Great begat Dongard,

Dongard begat Govran,

Govran begat Aydan,

Aydan begat Eugene,

Eugene begat Donald,

Donald begat Ethach,

Ethach begat Ethdre,

Ethdre begat Ethafind,

Ethafind begat Ethas,

Ethas begat Alpin,

Alpin begat Kenneth,

Kenneth begat Constantine,

Constantine begat Donald IV,

Donald IV begat Malcolm,

Malcolm begat Kenneth II,

Kenneth II begat Malcolm II,

Malcolm II begat Beatrix,

Beatrix begat Duncan,

Duncan begat Malcolm,

Malcolm begat David,

David begat Henry,

Henry begat David,

David begat Isobel,

Isobel begat Robert,

Robert begat Robert,

Robert begat Robert the Bruce,

Robert the Bruce begat Marjory,

Marjory begat Robert II,

Robert II begat Robert III,

Robert III begat James I,

James I begat James II,

James II begat James III,

James III begat James IV,

James IV begat James V,

James V begat Mary Queen of Scotts,

Mary Queen of Scotts begat James VI,

James VI begat Elizabeth,

Elizabeth begat Sophia,

Sophia begat George I,

George I begat George II,

George II begat Fredrick Prince of Wales,

Fredrick Prince of Wales begat George III,

George III begat Queen Victoria,

Queen Victoria begat King Edward VII,

King Edward VII begat King George V,

King George V begat King George VI,

King George VI begat Queen Elizabeth II,

Queen Elizabeth II begat Prince Charles of Wales


Hows that for a family tree. :toofunny
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[jasoncran]

lol. aint that hilarious, to bad the genetics wont show that,as the windsors are actually germanic in origin with some of the hapsburg in them

i often say that the entire ww1 was nothing but big family feud

as otto von willhielm was related to czar nicolas and the royal family of england.

 

[Hitch]

Herbie Armstrong built his cult The World Wide Church of God around British-Israelism.

Primarily though the thead is pointed at those who claim , or imply othodoxy.

Certainly that includes the Word of Faith monstrosity

 

[Scotth1960]

I've seen a few posts like this so far....but can you actually address the false teachers and specific teachings that we've brought forward and defend the accused?

To me they are indefensable. Even if they are deceived and deceiving they need to be exposed as false teachers.

Dear Strangelove,
Who are some of the possible false teachers

1 Kenneth Copeland
2 Oral Roberts
3 John Hagee
4 Hal Lindsey
5 Jack Van Impe
6 John F. Walvoord
7 Tim LaHaye
8 C.I. Scofield
9 John Nelson Darby
10 Edward Irving
11 David Wilkerson
12 Martin Luther
13 John Calvin
14 John Knox
15 John Wesley
16 Emanuel Swedenborg
17 Herbert W. Armstrong
18 Garner Ted Armstrong
19 Ellen G. White
20 Willliam Miller
21 Charles Taze Russell
22 Pope John Paul II
23 Pope Benedict XVI
24 Pope Pius IX
25 Pope Boniface VIII
26 Nestorios
27 Arios
28 Eutyches
29 Sabellios
30 Apollinarios
31 Tertullian
32 Augustine of Hippo * (possibly)
33 Anselm of Canterbury
34 Thomas Aquinas
35 Francis of Assisi
36 Origen
37 James Arminius * (possibly)

With Augustine of Hippo, he is basically Orthodox, and is considered by most of the Orthodox Church still to be a Church Father. But he is considered to have been just like any of the Church Fathers, and not infallible. He taught some things as theologoumenon (opinions) which have become dogmas (that is, the FILIOQUE, original sin, just war theory)


Of course, we can all feel free to add ourselves. Nobody is beyond being potentially a false teacher. Someone who knows better than any of us may come and correct any of us, and show us if our doctrines are either an honest mistake or an outright heresy.

In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[jasoncran]

lol. origen put the bible together.

becareful on him.

 

[Scotth1960]

i googled that, wow whacked.

i never even heard of that one.

the windors jews,lol.

Dear jasoncran, See my other recent post where I suggest a possible list of false teachers. I left one out I should have included, King Henry VIII and I should add to that list King Charlemagne and Alcuin of York, Charlemagne's "theologian".

In Erie Scott Harrington Of course, we should not engage in ad hominem attacks, and of course I was a false teacher at one point in my life. I once believed the pretribulation theory. And that has been proven to me to have been a mistake on my part in having believed it. In making this list of false teachers, this is of course subject to interpretation. No human being can say everything that is true, and one can be a true teacher, and still have some fault. No one is without sin. But of course there are those who believe the popes of Rome (alone?) cannot teach error. But that is another RCC and these RCC debates always seem to get closed down by the moderators.
Go figure. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[jasoncran]

Dear jasoncran, See my other recent post where I suggest a possible list of false teachers. I left one out I should have included, King Henry VIII and I should add to that list King Charlemagne and Alcuin of York, Charlemagne's "theologian".

In Erie Scott Harrington Of course, we should not engage in ad hominem attacks, and of course I was a false teacher at one point in my life. I once believed the pretribulation theory. And that has been proven to me to have been a mistake on my part in having believed it. In making this list of false teachers, this is of course subject to interpretation. No human being can say everything that is true, and one can be a true teacher, and still have some fault. No one is without sin. But of course there are those who believe the popes of Rome (alone?) cannot teach error. But that is another RCC and these RCC debates always seem to get closed down by the moderators.
Go figure. In Erie Scott Harrington

charlemagne a theologian

dude was the ruler of the holy roman empire and frank himself and also coined the modern alphabet that we use.

 

[Alabaster]

Dear jasoncran, See my other recent post where I suggest a possible list of false teachers. I left one out I should have included, King Henry VIII and I should add to that list King Charlemagne and Alcuin of York, Charlemagne's "theologian".

In Erie Scott Harrington Of course, we should not engage in ad hominem attacks, and of course I was a false teacher at one point in my life. I once believed the pretribulation theory. And that has been proven to me to have been a mistake on my part in having believed it. In making this list of false teachers, this is of course subject to interpretation. No human being can say everything that is true, and one can be a true teacher, and still have some fault. No one is without sin. But of course there are those who believe the popes of Rome (alone?) cannot teach error. But that is another RCC and these RCC debates always seem to get closed down by the moderators.
Go figure. In Erie Scott Harrington

Keeping a list is silly and stinks of false pride. How would you like it if your name was added?

 

[Scotth1960]

Keeping a list is silly and stinks of false pride. How would you like it if your name was added?

Dear Alabster, I already admitted to having been a false teacher. I used to believe what Hal Lindsey told me about the rapture. Have you not at some point taught nothing that was wrong? I wasn't saying I am not capable of error. Don't you think even ducks have pride? In Erie PA Scott Harrington

 

[jasoncran]

yes it does kinda of lead to arguments here as some will disagree.

but i do the same as if i hear a charismatic on tbn, i generally wont bother.

however, if i listen to some that have radio shows elsewhere that arent charismatic ie adrian rogers,charles stanley, and also david jeremiah.

then i may watch them.

i hate to say that.

the only "charismatic" that i bother to listen to the radio is this guy (kp yohanlon) form winasia.org

if ken copeland did what he did, maybe he would be on my list to actually listen too.

if more were like yohanlon, as he never asks for money. prays and asks the lord to send it to him, though he does have the means for you donate to the gospel for asia mission

he will make you feel that you arent doing enough for the lord. you will have to listen to him to see what i am talking about.

 

[Glowstique]

Alabaster, people could teach something they really believe is biblical if the misinterpret the Bible, but they are not all trying to lead us astray. Its just a lack of understanding on their part. The fact is thay all of us, including you, believe in something that isnt true. We dont have it all figured out, and no one ever will. You could be teaching something that is false and you might not even notice. We have to be careful with stuff like this.

 

[Hitch]

Keeping a list is silly and stinks of false pride. How would you like it if your name was added?

Well no one will say you're not an expert on that.