Food for thought

[Strangelove]

It's amazing how in this politically correct world we live in today you are just not allowed to make any kind of generalizations at all.

Coz someone is always gonna come along and say 'well...it's not always that way, there are exceptions!'

And then the discussion begins,,,,,,

...and before you know it overeating doesn't = overweight anymore.....

...now it's mental disorders.

**sigh**

 

[casper]

Not always. Children who have good habits fostered by great parents can suffer a trauma of any kind and food will become the method of comfort. It has been my experience and many others I know, who have suffered hurts in their past and that is the core of their behaviour that leads to obesity.

I wasn't saying 'always' I was saying 'most'. My doctor tried telling me that my metabolism had just slowed down and its common as we get older and I shouldn't worry about. He tried telling me that worrying about being fat is worse than being fat. I had to be honest with myself and decided that he was talking crap.
I feel lots better since I lost over 20kgs' My point is, if we seek medical reasons for being large we will find them sure their are a few cases that are genuine but I think very few.

P.S large is the politically correct way to say fat

 

[jasoncran]

What I am saying is that an obese person can have a medical condition that dictates a slow metabolism or other reasons for obesity. Being undernourished and underweight is just as devastating to the health of an individual.

Most obese people in this society are that way because of poor dietary habits and emotional reasons.

thryoid issues or the meds a person takes that can cause that.

doc would you dare call a sister in the lord fat to her face and expect her to just repent. its called tact.

i wouldnt go up to a gay man and say hey you sodomite repent and be saved.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Other gods -

"For example couldn't food be a form of idol worship any how I was wondering what the bible or Qur'an says about this."

Absolutely - The Bible teaches (Ex 20:3) that you're NOT SUPPOSED to have "other gods" before the ONE God.

Your "god" is whatever you "SERVE", and folks serve "food", or "Cigarettes", or their "Cars", or their"Music", or their "appearance" or their "Jobs", or a few thousand OTHER things - FIRST in their lives - and give the leftovers to the ONE God.

BEING obese isn't the sin - MAKING YOURSELF obese through worship of the "dinner table" is where the problem is.

ANY Behavior that's compulsive in nature is a spiritual problem.

 

[handy]

As a person who struggles with obesity because of thyroid disease, I get a little het up with the assumption of most who look at me that I'm a glutton. Because the fact of the matter is, I eat a lot less than my hubby and kids and workout far more than they do. Do I lose weight? Yes, a little and then it comes right back on. I wanted to scream last summer when I worked out on a fast treadmill for one whole hour every day...plus ate nothing but salad and Lean Cuisines and Iced Tea and lost a whopping 17 lbs. (Which came back on as soon as school started and I had to stop the workouts because of the time issue.) Steve changed a medication he was on for his epilepsy, and dropped 35 lbs. without changing any thing in his diet or exercise, and it's stayed off. 2


I do keep my cholesterol, blood pressure, heart rate, and sugar levels all within the healthy range though. Other than the weight, I'm an healthy individual.

...still, wish I could get back to the trim 108 I used to be back in high school..*sigh*

(Doc, call me fat and I'll whup ya, hear!) :p

But, I have to agree that for the most part, those who are obese are that way because of hitting McD's too much or downing coffees laden with so much cream and sugar there's several hundred calories in them.

We live in a society these days where people just eat out far more often than ever and restaurants serve food on platters, not plates. Plus people down Pepsis, Cokes, coffees, or "energy drinks" without even thinking about the caloric intake. Also, many buy "convenience foods" that usually are higher in calories.

Yes, disease and certain medications can cause obesity...but usually it is just poor dietary choices.

Actually, I think I could make a pretty compelling case of the rise in obesity rates being tied to working mothers who are too stressed and tired to make healthy well-balanced meals for her family, so they opt for high calorie take-out and fast food and just veg in front of the tv when home.

 

[Strangelove]

thryoid issues or the meds a person takes that can cause that.

doc would you dare call a sister in the lord fat to her face and expect her to just repent. its called tact.

i wouldnt go up to a gay man and say hey you sodomite repent and be saved.

Of course I wouldn't say that to someone face to face OR on the forums. What on Earth would make you think that I would?

 

[Strangelove]

(Doc, call me fat and I'll whup ya, hear!) :p

I HAVN'T CALLED ANYONE FAT AND I DONT INTEND TO!!

Lolz....What is this lynch the Doc day?

Anything I've said about fatness was not directed at anyone....and Handy is the first person who's mentioned that she's overweight!

Sheeeeesh! :shocked!

 

[handy]

Lolz....What is this lynch the Doc day?

Yep! Since I've had a "turkey disaster" and we can't do Thanksgiving today, it's made me right onery so I decided to whup ya!

JK, :p

Naw, it's all good, Doc, I know you'd never be rude or anything...and my comments (aside from the ) weren't directed towards you.

I actually agree with most of what you posted! :yes

 

[Alabaster]

I wasn't saying 'always' I was saying 'most'. My doctor tried telling me that my metabolism had just slowed down and its common as we get older and I shouldn't worry about. He tried telling me that worrying about being fat is worse than being fat. I had to be honest with myself and decided that he was talking crap.
I feel lots better since I lost over 20kgs' My point is, if we seek medical reasons for being large we will find them sure their are a few cases that are genuine but I think very few.

P.S large is the politically correct way to say fat

I am saying there are mostly emotional triggers to the problem.

 

[Alabaster]

Re: Other gods -

"For example couldn't food be a form of idol worship any how I was wondering what the bible or Qur'an says about this."

Absolutely - The Bible teaches (Ex 20:3) that you're NOT SUPPOSED to have "other gods" before the ONE God.

Your "god" is whatever you "SERVE", and folks serve "food", or "Cigarettes", or their "Cars", or their"Music", or their "appearance" or their "Jobs", or a few thousand OTHER things - FIRST in their lives - and give the leftovers to the ONE God.

BEING obese isn't the sin - MAKING YOURSELF obese through worship of the "dinner table" is where the problem is.

ANY Behavior that's compulsive in nature is a spiritual problem.

Amen.

 

[Strangelove]

I am saying there are mostly emotional triggers to the problem.

What like....the emotion of craving for burgers?

 

[Alabaster]

What like....the emotion of craving for burgers?

No--like childhood molestation or rape by a family member or family friend, or a date; rejection by other kids in school as a child; guilt and shame over some sin in one's early years; sadness and grief due to loss; poor self esteem for whatever the reason, including the aforementioned reasons.

There are many deep-seated reasons for why a person is obese, and they often do not have one single thing to do with the love of food. Food is a tool used for comfort.

 

[Strangelove]

I am saying there are mostly emotional triggers to the problem.

No--like childhood molestation or rape by a family member or family friend, or a date; rejection by other kids in school as a child; guilt and shame over some sin in one's early years; sadness and grief due to loss; poor self esteem for whatever the reason, including the aforementioned reasons.

There are many deep-seated reasons for why a person is obese, and they often do not have one single thing to do with the love of food. Food is a tool used for comfort.

So you are saying that in your opinion regarding the problem of obesity....

.....it is mostly due to psychological problems?

.....and not simply due to gluttony, greed, laziness and a poor diet ?

Thats the generalization that you're making? That most obese people have deep psychological problems? :

 

[Alabaster]

So you are saying that in your opinion regarding the problem of obesity....

.....it is mostly due to psychological problems?

.....and not simply due to gluttony, greed, laziness and a poor diet ?

Thats the generalization that you're making? That most obese people have deep psychological problems? :

Most chronically obese people have a deeper emotional connection to food. Everyone who has an inordinate pull to something that causes negative behaviour or manifestation sin life have a psychological or spiritual problem, unless there is a medical reason, such as hypothyroidism, or side effects to necessary medication and the like.

 

[pjt]

Proverbs 23:20-21 “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.â€
Proverbs 28:7 “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.â€
Proverbs 23:2 “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.â€

Being fat is not a sin. Being a glutton is. Some people are just born to be heavier than others. My best friend in school was highly athletic but her whole family was heavy. She was not a glutton, but biologically she was programmed to be big. Some people have thyroid conditions that make them big. Others just the metabolism slows down with age and without overeating, they just get big. Then there are the people that should be small but are big because they gorge. Then you have bulemics. They can be underweight but still gorge. They gorge and throw it up. You don`t have to be fat to gorge. Gorging is the sin not size!

As for treatment of animals. God never meant for animals to be in slaughter houses. The way He designed for animals to be killed for sacrifice and eating was with the most humane care possible. That was God`s design, but man in greed has become cruel and heartless to animals and that contradicts God`s design as seen in Proverbs 12:10
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"A good man takes care of his animals, but wicked men are cruel to theirs."[/FONT]
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[pjt]

Most chronically obese people have a deeper emotional connection to food. .

That could be said with alcohol, drugs, or any addiction.

 

[Alabaster]

That could be said with alcohol, drugs, or any addiction.

Absolutely.

 

[Strangelove]

Absolutely.

So are you saying that people are not accountable for their sins because they are simply emotionally scarred?? :

 

[jasoncran]

no but with the body part causing it and not you as in the case of handy it cant be called sin. she is eating well and the organ called the thyroid isnt working right.

that isnt sin.

 

[casper]

Re: Other gods -

"For example couldn't food be a form of idol worship any how I was wondering what the bible or Qur'an says about this."

Absolutely - The Bible teaches (Ex 20:3) that you're NOT SUPPOSED to have "other gods" before the ONE God.

Your "god" is whatever you "SERVE", and folks serve "food", or "Cigarettes", or their "Cars", or their"Music", or their "appearance" or their "Jobs", or a few thousand OTHER things - FIRST in their lives - and give the leftovers to the ONE God.

BEING obese isn't the sin - MAKING YOURSELF obese through worship of the "dinner table" is where the problem is.

ANY Behavior that's compulsive in nature is a spiritual problem.

So then Tea drinkers and coffee drinkers with a addiction to caffine are also sinners. Lucky god gave us jesus as a way to forgive out sins otherwise their would no animals left to sacifice with the amount of christains addicted to caffine