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Food for thought

I don't know why Christians hate Muslims so much after all we both have the same God. Maybe I should ask that in another forum. It is interesting to note that the Qur'an perspective on over eating makes logical sense. I myself find it annoying seeing so much food go to waste while people are starving to death.

Firstly---The God Christians know is not the god that Muslims worship.

Secondly--obesity is an outward sign of an inward difficulty, and for the Christian it has been mostly swept under the carpet as an issue that has a spiritual significance, but it really does have great significance. It tells the world of both control and emotional issues within a person. I suffered greatly with the problem and it was made apparent to me that whenever I walked into a room, my weakness was apparent from the get go, whereas other believers' weaknesses are mostly able to be hidden with a nice outfit and a smile on one's face! One needs to really get to know most normal-bodied people before their weaknesses are made apparent.

It really makes one stop and think about these things.
 
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Anyhow 'Mike' you read way to much into stuff.. I made a typo with the spelling of the Bible and Koran, So what, sue me. Also I am a seeking Christian just because you are ahead of me on the journey doesn't make you a better christian. A true christian encourages fellow seekers.

That's why I asked. When did I imply that a seeker is of less value than a Christian firm in the faith to the Lord. He desires all should come to Him. Of course I encourage people to seek the Lord, because if they seek Him, He will reveal Himself in the Christian Triune God. I'm not suing you or coming down on you for the typo. It was a source of curiosity to me that you were asking about the Koran and capitalized that book and not the Bible. I was just curious, friend.

You clarified you are a seeker :thumbsup and you clarified that it was a typo. :thumbsup

Fantastic! :clap
 
Mike I said I was 'Christian seeker' on a number of occasions I don't know why you twisted my words up to make it sound like I was a seeker of other faiths. Sure I have a interest in other faith's doesn't mean I am looking to convert. Any how no use going on about it I suppose' All is good.
 
The term, 'seeker' is used to designate people who are not Christians, but are pursuing the truth about God and His plan.
 
It is not about what is PC to say. If the generalization is false, then it is false.

Can I say that 'substancially overweight' people are unhealthy?

Is that generalization true or false?

The first has to do with personal preferences, because the amount of sex that an individual needs varies from person to person. Some couples need absolutely zero sex and still have happy and fulfilling marriages. They are not "showing a lack of love," simply because sex does not factor into their equation. Sex does not equal love. Sex can be a natural display resulting from to people in love desiring to intimately express that love to each other. But sex can also occur devoid of all love. In itself, sex is not love, nor is sex necessary for love. The reason I added the word "selfish desires" into my response is because often the problems in marriage that revolve around sex (or the lack thereof) are really a result of selfish desires from one individual or the other.

I simply disagree. Letting go of your physical condition by being grossly overweight effects all aspects of you're marriage and family life and you are letting the team down by not contributing like you should be. It's a sin.

I think it is sad to equate activity with love also. I suppose the quadraplegic is incapable of loving his wife and children and therefore is grossly in sin. I guess the woman in my church who suffers from MS and is unable to do anything but sit must be in sin because she is unable to show her love to her husband and is unable to actively do the things that she formerly did.

Are you serious? Can a quadraplegic grow his limbs back? No! Can a fat person lose weight? YES!

There is a difference in someone being unable to do things, and in being unwilling out of laziness (or selfishness). If an overweight individual is unwilling to do things with his family, or unwilling to spend time with them, then the problem and the sin is within his attitude and heart-- not his weight. He may blame his weight, but the problem goes much deeper. Everyone has physical limitations. This doesn't make those limitations a sin.

The sin of gluttony produces weight and the weight effects activity. Stop the sin and you bring the weight down and you'll be more active with your family.
 
Can I say that 'substancially overweight' people are unhealthy?

Is that generalization true or false?

If you want to generalize that "substantially overweight" people are unhealthy, then I can also generalize and say that husbands are unfaithful to their wives..... since the percentages are approximately the same. :)

Unlike you, I don't like making generalizations where there is that much margin of error and where there are many variables that determine the factor. There are, in fact, many more variables that determine "health" than there are that determine infidelity. This makes using a single variable to predict an outcome (using weight to predict health) much less likely.

It would be more accurate for you to say that the majority of substantially overweight people are not healthy. The research shows that there are substantially overweight people who are healthy, and that a better indicator is where the fat is carried-- not the weight.

I simply disagree. Letting go of your physical condition by being grossly overweight effects all aspects of you're marriage and family life and you are letting the team down by not contributing like you should be. It's a sin.

Is this your opinion based upon assumptions that these people are not contributing as they should be? Again, you are assuming that people who are overweight do not eat right, do not exercise, and are lazy. That may be true for many people who are overweight, but it is far from true for all. By you making these sweeping generalizations, you are calling people "sinners" who indeed are not. There are overweight people who eat better, exercise more, and are healthier than their thin counterparts...... yet based upon weight you are calling them sinners. You also talk about "letting go" of ones physical condition. Again, not all individuals who are overweight got that way due to poor eating and no exercising. Yet, you are blaming the individual for biological factors beyond their control.


Are you serious? Can a quadraplegic grow his limbs back? No! Can a fat person lose weight? YES!

:) Quadraplegic's often have their limbs. There is no issue of growing them back.

Not all fat people can lose weight. Are you expecting overweight people to change their genetic makeup? Sure, many overweight people could lose weight, and are overweight due to poor eating and lack of exercise-- but not all. There are a good number whose weight is beyond their control. It is sad to paint them all with the same brush and call their weight a sin when in fact it may not be in that particular individual.

The sin of gluttony produces weight and the weight effects activity. Stop the sin and you bring the weight down and you'll be more active with your family.

The sin of gluttony may or may not produce weight. Some thin people can eat as much junk as they want, never exercise, and never gain a pound. I have known more than enough people who fit that category.

I used to know a woman who was often underweight, and she would brag about how poorly she ate. She recognized and would boast that if most people ate the way she did they would be huge. Yet, she knew that her lack of weight had nothing to do with how she ate or her lack of exercise.

The mascot at my kids school is an example of the opposite end of the spectrum. Granted, I have never observed how she eats or what she eats. I can honestly say that she is extremely active and her weight does not affect her activity. Not only is she the school mascot, but she has more energy, more pep, and more activity than all of the cheerleaders put together-- and it is not limited to while she is on the field. She not only does all the cheers, just as good as the cheerleaders, but she also is constantly dancing to the music in between cheers, running back and forth down the sideline, etc.

I know a guy who is underweight and maybe 120 soaking wet. This guy smokes, eats like a hog and not healthy food-- all junk, any junk, fatty foods in excess all the time-- and he never exercises. Yet he is another who can not gain weight if he tried.

Then there is a woman I know who was a health food nut, drinking green drinks and things of that nature, she exercised, type A, and was of normal weight until she was diagnosed with a hereditary hypothyroid condition that is 90% heritable in her family. At the point she was diagnosed it was shutting down her internal organs. But she also gained weight as a result of it. She is unable to lose the weight, because it causes her thyroid to become unstable and erratic.

But by your logic, the overweight people are sinners suffering from the sin of gluttony, while those thin people are not. :chin

BTW I could give you dozens more examples than just those. Even the research supports what I am saying.
 
Oh sorry PR I get what your saying dollface...

Simply being overweight in and of itself is not a sin as there could be many things that could have caused that condition.

But gluttony is a sin.

right...sorry about that.

I guess if you are overweight (and it's effecting your health......negatively) then you need to go on a diet and get some exercise and then after 1 year if you are still fat then it's not due to sin.

Maybe we're getting to the crux of the OP now.

Sorry it took me so long to twig.

Doc.
 
Ok thanks for that Alabaster, I used the term meaning a Christian that is seeking the faith of Christianity. I now see where I mislead Mike, my apology's Mike.


Peace maker when I posted my the question I meant people being grossly overweight or obese (same thing I suppose) as a result of gluttony I suppose I should have worded my question better.


I guess I was after some inspiration from scripture to help me keep the weight off although I'm doing good . I actually wouldn't mind losing another 5 kgs because I'm still slightly overweight.


Isn't there some verse some where about the body being a temple of Christ or some thing like that. I'm not that will versed in scripture. It may have had to do with impure thoughts not physical food.
 
Isn't there some verse some where about the body being a temple of Christ or some thing like that. I'm not that will versed in scripture. It may have had to do with impure thoughts not physical food.

John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in
health, even as thy soul prospereth.

3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of
God dwelleth in you?

3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the
temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith,

5:23 Meekness, temperance [self control]: against such there is no law.


 
Is the inward sign the sin of gluttony and not exercising?

There is no inward sign. All signs are outward. We are dealing with heart conditions and emotional matters.

The obese person walks into a gathering and everyone can easily see there is a problem within that person--he or she is wearing it. Others who may have an inner problem of pride, envy or lust can hide it easily, and for a time from their brothers and sisters. Often with an obese person who suffers from gluttony, that is hidden. Secret eating is part of the deal. But the body image to the world who is looking is obvious.
 
John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in

health, even as thy soul prospereth.


3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of
God dwelleth in you?


3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the
temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith,


5:23 Meekness, temperance [self control]: against such there is no law.




Thanks for those Strangelove
 
Sorry I meant the inward difficulty.

Could that difficulty be gluttony?

Yes, but what is the cause? Is it just a bad case of selfishness? Or is it emotional compensation that somehow comforts a deep or traumatic hurt? For most people who are obese, there is a mental or emotional cause---if there is no medical reason.
 
Yes, but what is the cause? Is it just a bad case of selfishness? Or is it emotional compensation that somehow comforts a deep or traumatic hurt? For most people who are obese, there is a mental or emotional cause---if there is no medical reason.

Whats the cause?

Uhm.....maybe having a McDonalds on every corner is the cause?

I thought gluttony was a base sin....

....isn't that a bit like asking what the casue is for pride or jealosy. They are just sins dude. And need to be repented against. No need to complicate matters with mental disorders and wotnot.

Just stop piggin' out so much.:confused:
 
Whats the cause?

Uhm.....maybe having a McDonalds on every corner is the cause?

I thought gluttony was a base sin....

....isn't that a bit like asking what the casue is for pride or jealosy. They are just sins dude. And need to be repented against. No need to complicate matters with mental disorders and wotnot.

Just stop piggin' out so much.:confused:

So, do you tell the alcoholic to just stop drinking so much? An obese person still has to eat at least three times a day to live.

There are underlying reasons why someone falls to gluttony.
 
truth be told alabaster the medical reasons arent that common.

its a bad diet with lack of proper exercise

on that note a skinny person can have high bp and and also high cholesterol
my mom is 30llbs underweght anemic and has high blood pressure

the later runs in the family her brothers and her dad had/have high bp.

my mil is skinny and had a triple by pass as she got severe angina one day and that was what fixed it. the doc said to her your healthy diet didnt stop this from happening your body makes the bad cholesterol.
 
truth be told alabaster the medical reasons arent that common.

its a bad diet with lack of proper exercise

on that note a skinny person can have high bp and and also high cholesterol
my mom is 30llbs underweght anemic and has high blood pressure

the later runs in the family her brothers and her dad had/have high bp.

my mil is skinny and had a triple by pass as she got severe angina one day and that was what fixed it. the doc said to her your healthy diet didnt stop this from happening your body makes the bad cholesterol.

What I am saying is that an obese person can have a medical condition that dictates a slow metabolism or other reasons for obesity. Being undernourished and underweight is just as devastating to the health of an individual.

Most obese people in this society are that way because of poor dietary habits and emotional reasons.
 
What I am saying is that an obese person can have a medical condition that dictates a slow metabolism or other reasons for obesity. Being undernourished and underweight is just as devastating to the health of an individual.

Most obese people in this society are that way because of poor dietary habits and emotional reasons.

Couldnt it be debated that in most case the former causes the latter. Poor dietary habits course pyschological problems as will as other pyscial problems
 
Couldnt it be debated that in most case the former causes the latter. Poor dietary habits course pyschological problems as will as other pyscial problems

Not always. Children who have good habits fostered by great parents can suffer a trauma of any kind and food will become the method of comfort. It has been my experience and many others I know, who have suffered hurts in their past and that is the core of their behaviour that leads to obesity.
 
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