For something THIS important, why was "faith" used

[John the Baptist]

Are we agreed that God is the Author of all things then ?

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Surely not! They tell us that They are not the author of confussion! (SIN)

---John
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That man has no power to bring about out comes outside of Gods Will ?
That it is Gods plan not ours?

Peace to you.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

That man has no power to bring about out comes outside of Gods Will ?

Prayer works.

 

[John the Baptist]

Re: For something THIS important, why was "faith"

To christianity, the most important part of a person's life has to do with where they'll spend their eternal existence. Going with that thought, for something SO important as a person's eternal existence, it is obviously clear that having a person rely completely on the words written in a book, with no other evidences, is hardly the best plan! :-? If God really cared about EVERY single spirit within man, then I would think that a much better plan would have been used. To rely completely upon "word of mouth", text written down thousands of years ago, and with absolutely no way to confirm THIS religious writing over that of any other culture's religious beliefs, it seems clear that the plan was too easily set up for "failure". Many would never hear the message. Many would see it as just another religious sect. And if you were to ask any religious culture if they were right, they would say, "we sure are"! Occasionally, a person (being swayed by emotions) will move from one religious sect to another, perhaps back again.

I hope you can see my point here. With something SO important as eternity, this notion of "faith" is riddled with centuries and even several millennia of casualties. It should have been something obvious. IF it is SO important, there really shouldn't have ever been any contenders for the "this is the way to heaven" debate. Obviously, this is not the case, and it is man who will pay the price (if Christian doctrine is correct).

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John here:
The plan was, and is Eternally perfect! It will settle for all of Eternity the sin problem of the Universe. Nahum 1:9 GOD IS LOVE!!

YES! Surely God is putting Himself of trial in the center of the Universe with His creation of man, period! (all man) God say's that His PERFECTLY CREATED angels even, needed not to fall. And that the man that He created while being 'a little lower than the angels' did not need to do so either! This the second Adam 'Christ' proved!

His Covenant, (Ten Commandments) or CHARACTER 'EPISTLE' (2 Cor. 3:3) is on trial by satan the accuser. satan says that man cannot keep the Covenant of God! (in the sinless stage of Adam or in the Born Again SINLESS STAGE OF CHRIST!) Christ came as the second Adam to prove that Their 'perfect' creation had NO NEED TO FALL! Also check Isaiah 42:21 to see the second Adam's mission. And, us??? God is going to be JUSTIFIED & VINDICATED by 'just' some redeemed from earth!

Take note: First, some angels were saved by the Everlasting Gospel! (see Matt. 25:1) Some were redeemed [BY FAITH] before sinning 1 John 5:16-17's sin unto death.
Compare Rev. 12's 1/3 finally rejected ones after sinning the sin unto death. So we see God on trial & Vindicated by the 'sinless' creation that would have always wondered, was & is the GodHead justified????? (Other world's & angels who had never sinned)

Then came along MORE PROOF, another perfect creation. That of mankind, and made even a little lower than the angels. Seems that God foretold that He requires double proof, huh? See the Eccl.'s verses! Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15
And perfectly created man needed to no more to sin than you have need to jump off of the Brooklin bridge!

I wonder how many BELIEVE Philippians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9???

---John

 

[golfjack]

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Do we have forgiveness of sins, healing, restoration, deliverences, new mericies every day, and grace that can grow? Yes, indeed, this was executed by Jesus over 2 thousand years ago. Grace: Favor, ability, and power.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[mutzrein]

Ambient - Any comment on my last post to you?

 

[Spirit Driven]

The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil (Proverbs 16:4).
The potter has a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor (Romans 9:21).
No one can resist His will (Romans 9:19).
There is no one besides the Lord. He is the Lord, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well being and creating calamity [Hebrew: "ra" = evil]. He is the Lord who does all these (Isaiah 45:6).
If calamity [Hebrew: "ra" = evil] occurs in a city the Lord has done it (Amos 3:6-8).
The Lord fashioned evil against Israel [His chosen people] and devised a plan against them (Jeremiah 18:11
No one speaks and it comes to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it. It is from the mouth of the Most High that both good and evil go forth. No living mortal, or any man, should offer complaint in view of his sins (Lam. 3:37-39).

Are we in agreement yet that God is the Author of ALL things ?

Mind you, nobody needs to agree with me..... God has ALL locked up in disobedience so that he can show mercy to all...... I just cannot see anyway around him not being the Author of everything because he created everybody and everything....


Peace to you

 

[John the Baptist]

The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil (Proverbs 16:4).

Created with a perfect 'free will'. Ezekiek 18:32

The potter has a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor (Romans 9:21).

Still FREE choice!

No one can resist His will (Romans 9:19)

NO? What about Genesis 6:3's STRIVING of the Holt Spirit??? ALL but eight 'souls' died in the flood! (or me or you?)

There is no one besides the Lord. He is the Lord, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well being and creating calamity [Hebrew: "ra" = evil]. He is the Lord who does all these (Isaiah 45:6).
If calamity [Hebrew: "ra" = evil] occurs in a city the Lord has done it (Amos 3:6-8).

Again: The GodHead permits His Plan to go forward is all that this is saying! EVERLASTING GOSPEL PLAN Revelation 14:6

The Lord fashioned evil against Israel [His chosen people] and devised a plan against them (Jeremiah 18:11
No one speaks and it comes to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it. It is from the mouth of the Most High that both good and evil go forth. No living mortal, or any man, should offer complaint in view of his sins (Lam. 3:37-39).

You need to go back to square one! The Promised Gospel is an CONDITIONAL COVENANT (Hebrews 13:20) from all of Eternity! Covenant is an agreement. All of the Universe are FREE MORAL BEINGS!! (not brain DEAD :robot: robots! Just a extra thought! :wink: Had you never wondered why the good old USA [HAS] BEEN BLESSED OF GOD ABOVE all of the world???? Freedom is the reason! (not for much longer though)

Are we in agreement yet that God is the Author of ALL things ?

Peace to you

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God is the author of all things? You keep changing His words, huh? Perhaps you will get it right before long? But, as I see it, you best acknowledge the change to be truthful!
God's Word documents that He is NOT THE AUTHOR of confusion. But you say that He is! And I say that you have another ones 'desire' that post this! Ephesians 6:12 for starters.

You are in DIRECT opposition to this Inspired Word of God!

"[FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR] OF CONFUSION ..."

---John

 

[Ambient]

Re: For something THIS important, why was "faith"

I'll throw a spanner in the works here Ambient with a few ‘what-ifs’

What if faith was a gift of God and this faith was only given to those who receive the spirit?

I'm just not sure why I would be offered the gift over a person of another race. I'm certainly no more worthy then they are.

What if only those who are born of the spirit have a spirit?

Is there a scripture that states this? I can't remember. :-?

What if not everyone has an eternal existence since not all have received the spirit?

What if those who haven’t received the spirit, perish rather than suffer eternally?

Of course this is NOT what Christendom teaches but if it were true would this make any difference to your thinking?

I suppose it would. Yet, I know that there are many good people in the world that would make Heaven an even better place. For them to just "be no more" because they never heard of Jesus, I would see that as a shame.

Now, if a person is just inherently bad, or has no desire for the things of God, or Godly things, then that's another story.