Foreshadowing Armageddon?

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I'm old enough to remember when Iran took our embassy hostage. It drove me crazy that they kept our people for a year or more, and our President Carter seems incapable of dealing with it. I tried to understand it, and I think the US has some culpability. We may have unduly influenced the Shah coming into power there, and we held perhaps 50% profits in their oil--probably because we had the expertise to use it.

Anyway, who takes people in an embassy captive and holds them for a year? I remember when Reagan took office, and immediately Iran let our people go. I'm not pro-force all the time, but it helps to have stomach when dealing with evil.

The attack of Israel today on Iran was therefore, for me, a long time in coming. Iran has been threatening to exterminate Israel for a long time, and was building towards having nuclear weapons. That would've ended Israel.

So my prayers are with Israel and against Iran because Iran believes in hate, violence, terrorism, and adventurism. I think God is answering prayers to end this ungodly control of the Iranian People by the Ayatollah and his "religious" people. May the Lord have mercy upon us all!

I don't think we're at Armageddon yet--of course not. But this may be a foreshadowing?
 
Have you ever considered the war of Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon as we study Ezekiel 38:1-6 which actually names all who will come against Israel in the end of days being Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11. Within this battle the first six trumpets of God's wrath will be poured out into the world, Ezekiel 38:17-19, as we read in Rev 8:6 being the first trumpet sounding that takes us to the seventh trumpet of God's great wrath in Rev 11:15-19 and the timing of the son of perdition during the time of the seventh trumpet that promises a false peace and safety if all will take the mark of this beast, 2Thessalonians 4:1-12; Rev 13.

Ezekiel 38-39 calls this the battle of Gog and Magog and Rev 16:12-16 the place called Armageddon.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon, Harmageddon, Mageddon known in a few ways of different spellings, but being a city called Megiddo found in the Jezreel Valley between Nazareth and Jerusalem being a place of troops, an assembly of troops, a gathering of troops; a mountain assembly of troops, a mountain rendezvous of troops, or a mountain gathering of troops.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:7-10.

Let's take a closer look at Rev 20:7-10.
1. After the 1000 years are expired Satan will be set loose, but doesn't say how long he is set loose before he is cast into the lake of fire.

2. Satan goes out immediately to deceive the nations.

3. These nations are in the four quarters of the earth, (N S E W) that Satan gathers together as the enemies of God are great as the numbering of the sand of the sea.

4. Four quarters of the earth are east, west, north and south as described in Ezekiel 38:1-6 in all who come against Israel in the final battle called Armageddon.

5. The breadth of the earth means the saints that are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth.

6. God sends fire down from heaven to devour/destroy the enemies of God and Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Notice where it says the beast and false prophet are, as that happens when Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, before planting His feet on the Mt of Olives.


Rev 20:7-10 is the defeat of Satan after the battle of Armageddon where he calls all the nations to come against Israel one last time as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:1-6 that describes these nations. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11 as this takes place after Satan is bound and then set loose for what I believe 1000 years is symbolic in it's numbering like that of a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8. 7:9;1Chronicles16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed, Rev 19:11-21, are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

There are ten nations that will compass the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire will come down from God out of heaven, and devour them, Rev 20:7-10.

These 10 nations of Ezekiel 38-39 wars consisted of, Rosh, Magog, Tubal, Meshech, Gomer, Togarmah, Persia, Put, Ethiopia and Sheba & Dedan.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:7-10 Battle of Armageddon that we read about in Rev 16, happens when Christ returns to Earth with the saints that have been gathered up to Him, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. These are the countries that come against Israel being present day Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia that make up the ten nations of Ezekiel 38-39.

As I understand all of this it happens at the time of Christ return as I see everything happening very quickly as being the last day when Christ returns for at that time all evil will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, this present heaven and earth will pass away and restored again before the New Jerusalem will be ushered down from heaven, Rev 21:1-8.

IMO, I do not consider 1000 years as being literal in 2 Peter 3:8 or Rev 20, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
we held perhaps 50% profits in their oil--probably because we had the expertise to use it.
Because we had the expertise to put the fires out during Desert Storm.

Dick Cheney was actually Secretary of Defense during Desert Storm, not Vice President yet. So while he didn’t personally put out the fires, he played a major role in overseeing the U.S. military response during that time.

The actual heroes who extinguished the Kuwaiti oil fires were private firefighting teams, including legends like Red Adair, Boots & Coots, and Wild Well Control. They used explosives, bulldozers, and sheer grit to cap over 600 blazing wells.

I interviewed for a job once to work on oil rigs. I decided to pass. I did not want to leave the city to work out in the middle of nowhere like that.
 
the battle of Armageddon
People talk about "their worm does not die". I think that has to do with the Battle of Armageddon. But people think this is a description of hell.

Isaiah 66:24 (NKJV): “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
 
People talk about "their worm does not die". I think that has to do with the Battle of Armageddon. But people think this is a description of hell.

Isaiah 66:24 (NKJV): “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
Maggots, being small worms, usually form on dead carcasses whether they be animals or humans. In ancient Gehenna, (Valley of Hinnom) outside of Jerusalem near Golgotha was a place of idol worshiping and child sacrifice where the bodies were set on fire and burned. It was also known as a bloody battlefield and an ever smoldering rubbish dump (landfill) as the fires were never quenched and many dead bodies of criminals that were crucified for their crimes were burned up there. Jesus later used this place as an illustration of the judgement of the lake of fire, Gehenna. Psalms 106:38; Jeremiah 7:31, 19:4-9; Mark 9:43-48

Greek# 1067 Gehenna, the Valley of the sons of Hinnom South of Jerusalem, figuratively and literal of place of punishment.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God gives us a description of the lake of fire as in fire and brimstone which can be used literal as in Sodom and Gomorrah burned to ashes and as a metaphor for torment, suffering, punishment or as Matthew 8:12 describes it as outer darkness. The New Testament description is a bottomless pit (abyss) (Revelation 20:3), a lake (Revelation 20:14), darkness (Matthew 25:30), death (Revelation 2:11), destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), everlasting torment (Revelation 20:10), a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30), and a place of gradated punishment (Matthew 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; Revelation 20:12-13), everlasting fire Matthew 25:41, everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
The attack of Israel today on Iran was therefore, for me, a long time in coming. Iran has been threatening to exterminate Israel for a long time, and was building towards having nuclear weapons. That would've ended Israel.

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Because we had the expertise to put the fires out during Desert Storm.

Dick Cheney was actually Secretary of Defense during Desert Storm, not Vice President yet. So while he didn’t personally put out the fires, he played a major role in overseeing the U.S. military response during that time.

The actual heroes who extinguished the Kuwaiti oil fires were private firefighting teams, including legends like Red Adair, Boots & Coots, and Wild Well Control. They used explosives, bulldozers, and sheer grit to cap over 600 blazing wells.

I interviewed for a job once to work on oil rigs. I decided to pass. I did not want to leave the city to work out in the middle of nowhere like that.
Yes, I remember reading Wilkerson's prophecy that fires would be blazing in oil fields in the Middle East. I thought then that this might be a "fulfilled prophecy?"

Anyway, I thought it was crazy at the time destroying Kuwait oil. Iraq was a big bully, Hussein thinking nothing of trying to annex a country that was a friend to the US.

But I think a bit differently about destroying oil processes in Iran. This is a country who like Iraq has shown nothing but contempt for the US, and who is firing up the entire region with terror proxies. It's time to cripple them economically, militarily, and politically. Hopefull a regime change is next?
 
Yes, I remember reading Wilkerson's prophecy that fires would be blazing in oil fields in the Middle East. I thought then that this might be a "fulfilled prophecy?"

Anyway, I thought it was crazy at the time destroying Kuwait oil. Iraq was a big bully, Hussein thinking nothing of trying to annex a country that was a friend to the US.

But I think a bit differently about destroying oil processes in Iran. This is a country who like Iraq has shown nothing but contempt for the US, and who is firing up the entire region with terror proxies. It's time to cripple them economically, militarily, and politically. Hopefull a regime change is next?

Yes. The wicked administration of Iran has oppressed their people for long enough.

There is a mighty underground church in Iran.

LET HIS PEOPLE GO!
 
Iraq has shown nothing but contempt for the US
Anthony Bourdain’s final filmed episode of Parts Unknown was set in Iraq, They highlighted the warmth, resilience, and hospitality of the Kurdish people. The program was filled with admiration and a sense of quiet reverence. He supposedly hung himself after that and I am not at all convinced he did. It looks to me like the Gov of Iraq had him assassinated.

There are reports that Saddam Hussein made a final request before his execution for a pen and a piece of paper so he could tell the world his side of the story. We are told that they refused to give that to him. When we look at the massive amount of the lack of freedom of speech that should not surprise anyone at all. It is an insult to the WW2 veterans that fought for the right of people to have their own opinion if we agreed with them or not.
 
Anthony Bourdain’s final filmed episode of Parts Unknown was set in Iraq, They highlighted the warmth, resilience, and hospitality of the Kurdish people. The program was filled with admiration and a sense of quiet reverence. He supposedly hung himself after that and I am not at all convinced he did. It looks to me like the Gov of Iraq had him assassinated.

There are reports that Saddam Hussein made a final request before his execution for a pen and a piece of paper so he could tell the world his side of the story. We are told that they refused to give that to him. When we look at the massive amount of the lack of freedom of speech that should not surprise anyone at all. It is an insult to the WW2 veterans that fought for the right of people to have their own opinion if we agreed with them or not.
I've had only a single experience with the Kurds. It was a work program for young people still in school and training for a life of work. The boy wouldn't work with his sister because he thought women do certain kinds of jobs--not men. When another boy had issues with him he threatened to cut the boy's throat. I had to let him go.

That being said I've felt the Kurds have been marginalized for way too long. They don't even have a country! They have been a help to the US at times, and something should be done to help them, even at the cost of Turkey's happiness with us. But I'm not there, and I'm not making the decisions. I just feel sorry for them is all.
 
Yes, I remember reading Wilkerson's prophecy that fires would be blazing in oil fields in the Middle East. I thought then that this might be a "fulfilled prophecy?"

Anyway, I thought it was crazy at the time destroying Kuwait oil. Iraq was a big bully, Hussein thinking nothing of trying to annex a country that was a friend to the US.

But I think a bit differently about destroying oil processes in Iran. This is a country who like Iraq has shown nothing but contempt for the US, and who is firing up the entire region with terror proxies. It's time to cripple them economically, militarily, and politically. Hopefull a regime change is next?
with what ,having been to that area it's not like you can find good honest leaders.let is not forget we armed sadaam to keep Iran in check . we gave him WMDs to use .he later used it on his own and we'll we removed him.

the shah we backed with brittain that guy wasn't exactly clean .the ayatollahs are just worse .
 
You'll have to read the history. There's quite a bit to it.

Exactly. So it didn't just start with the hostage crisis in the 70's.


What is it you end time prophecy people are expecting out of this? The state of Israel to be destroyed? The beginning of WW3?

Are you prepared to go to war and continue to bankrupt this country both economically and morally on behalf of the state of Israel so they can achieve their dream of a greater Israel? Afghanistan, Iraq, how'd those wars turn out?
 
Exactly. So it didn't just start with the hostage crisis in the 70's.
I never said the Iranian problem began in the 70s. I read a book back in the 80s, I think, written by the Shah of Iran. I think he came to the US to receive medical treatments?

A lot of it had to do with the pursuit, by Iran, of the nationalization of oil production. As I said, Western technology was needed for this production--at least initially. As well, Iran needed Western products and money. So it isn't "cut and dried."

I don't put much stock in how the Iranian people perceived all this. They could be manipulated by propaganda from all sides--the CIA, the religious fanatics, the forces of secularism, the Communists, etc.

But taking a foreign embassy hostage for a year or so is beyond the pale to me! How is discourse going to happen without allowing intermediaries the freedom to enable such discourse? We might as well take hostage the UN!

Even if Iran felt like it had been used by Western powers--particularly the British, that doesn't justify an endless war of terror, fueled by Iran and distributed to numerous proxy groups, each with their own malicious attack on legitimate governments. Iran's Day of Judgment has been a long time in coming.
What is it you end time prophecy people are expecting out of this? The state of Israel to be destroyed? The beginning of WW3?
I'm an "endtime person?" What does that mean? Could you expain to me what prophetic school I belong to, in your opinion?

I do *not* believe Israel is going to be annihilated. They are suffering the same tribulation that began in 70 AD under the Romans. Their homeland is constantly being threatened because they have not submitted to God's word to them as a nation.

As for WW3, it is as inevitable as WW1 and WW2. Do you think otherwise?
Are you prepared to go to war and continue to bankrupt this country both economically and morally on behalf of the state of Israel so they can achieve their dream of a greater Israel? Afghanistan, Iraq, how'd those wars turn out?
We fought in Afghanistan because of 9-11. Do you see Al-Qaeda posing a serious threat to us now? Do you see another Osama bin Laden?

Do you see another Saddam Hussein trying to take over an ally like Kuwait and their oil fields?

If Iran is allowed to get a nuclear bomb they will use it to annihilate Israel. Israel is our ally, and Americans are there. Are we not our brother's keeper? Is money more important to you than human life? Is God's justice unimportant to you?
 
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