Fruits (plural) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit' - Mat 7:20

[Conqueror]

“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing,
but inside are ravenous wolves.
You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:15–16 LEX).

False prophets are not only identified
by where they source fruit - knowledge from,
but also by how they "produce fruit" (17-20).

They cannot gather good fruit from sources
other than the tree of life, as Adam found out (Gen 2:17, 3:22).

I desire faithfulness .....
And the knowledge of God .....
But like Adam they transgressed the covenant;
There they dealt treacherously with Me
(Hos 6:6-7 NKJV mercy changed to faithfulness)).

The Lord will not compromise His Sovereignty
to set specific boundaries where to source good fruit;
only foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).

A good tree is not able to produce bad fruit,
nor a bad tree to produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down
and thrown into the fire. As a result,
you will recognise them by their fruits (Mt 7:18–20 LEX).

Fruits (plural) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit'.

That ‘produced fruit’ isn't doing what is right (Rom 7:25)
but teaching the righteousness of Christ (Rom 3:21),
which is sourced from the Tree of Life.

 

[tdidymas]

“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing,
but inside are ravenous wolves.
You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:15–16 LEX).

False prophets are not only identified
by where they source fruit - knowledge from,
but also by how they "produce fruit" (17-20).

They cannot gather good fruit from sources
other than the tree of life, as Adam found out (Gen 2:17, 3:22).

I desire faithfulness .....
And the knowledge of God .....
But like Adam they transgressed the covenant;
There they dealt treacherously with Me
(Hos 6:6-7 NKJV mercy changed to faithfulness)).

The Lord will not compromise His Sovereignty
to set specific boundaries where to source good fruit;
only foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).

A good tree is not able to produce bad fruit,
nor a bad tree to produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down
and thrown into the fire. As a result,
you will recognise them by their fruits (Mt 7:18–20 LEX).

Fruits (plural) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit'.

That ‘produced fruit’ isn't doing what is right (Rom 7:25)
but teaching the righteousness of Christ (Rom 3:21),
which is sourced from the Tree of Life.

What do you mean by "sourced fruit"? Are you talking about what fruit that the teacher is eating, about where he gets his food? Not sure what you mean. But if this is what you mean, I don't think it's what Jesus is talking about. In these contexts, fruit means what a person is producing, the same as it is in Gal. 5:16-21.

Many false teachers get their ideas from the Bible (and their own inventions), and mix truth with falsehood. It has to be that way, because if everything they said was falsehood, no one would listen to them. Much of what they say must be truth, and this is how people get deceived.

It seems to me that "fruit" and "fruits" are metaphors for the same thing, meaning good deeds or evil deeds. For example, a false teacher is teaching with an evil agenda. Such a one uses truth learned to inflate his own ego or something like that. Then the "fruit" comes out in various manners, such as people get deceived by the 10% falsehood that he teaches mixed with the 90% truth, or he manipulates people to be "under his thumb" in what they think and talk about, just because he has a wicked need for his ego to be inflated. It could be any kind of thing like that. But the plural "fruits" is simply saying "fruit" of many kinds of bad deeds.
TD

 

[Conqueror]

“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing,
but inside are ravenous wolves.
You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:15–16 LEX).

False prophets are not only identified
by where they source fruit - knowledge from,
but also by how they "produce fruit" (17-20).

They cannot gather good fruit from sources
other than the tree of life, as Adam found out (Gen 2:17, 3:22).

What do you mean by "sourced fruit"? Are you talking about what fruit that the teacher is eating, about where he gets his food? Not sure what you mean. But if this is what you mean, I don't think it's what Jesus is talking about. In these contexts, fruit means what a person is producing, the same as it is in Gal. 5:16-21.

Many false teachers get their ideas from the Bible (and their own inventions), and mix truth with falsehood. It has to be that way, because if everything they said was falsehood, no one would listen to them. Much of what they say must be truth, and this is how people get deceived.

It seems to me that "fruit" and "fruits" are metaphors for the same thing, meaning good deeds or evil deeds. For example, a false teacher is teaching with an evil agenda. Such a one uses truth learned to inflate his own ego or something like that. Then the "fruit" comes out in various manners, such as people get deceived by the 10% falsehood that he teaches mixed with the 90% truth, or he manipulates people to be "under his thumb" in what they think and talk about, just because he has a wicked need for his ego to be inflated. It could be any kind of thing like that. But the plural "fruits" is simply saying "fruit" of many kinds of bad deeds.
TD

I am aware of the interpretation false teachers bring,
who cannot explain;
that to "gather grapes" (Mat 7:16) is "sourcing fruit"

Fruits (plural - Mat 7:20) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit'.

(1 Cor 4:6) .......... that you may learn in us
not to go BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN,
by SOURCING only the foundational prophets and apostles
(Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2).

Now check the Roman Canon !!!!!

 

[for_his_glory]

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[tdidymas]

I am aware of the interpretation false teachers bring,
who cannot explain;
that to "gather grapes" (Mat 7:16) is "sourcing fruit"

Fruits (plural - Mat 7:20) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit'.

(1 Cor 4:6) .......... that you may learn in us
not to go BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN,
by SOURCING only the foundational prophets and apostles
(Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2).

Now check the Roman Canon !!!!!

Your response sounds cryptic, but I think I get what you are saying, and I still take a stand on Jesus' meaning for both "fruit" and "fruits" as the deeds of the people he is talking about. But I can see that if "deeds" includes where they are looking to find their "truth," then I guess that would be included, and would manifest in what they teach others and how they live their lives.
TD

 

[Jim Parker]

 

[jasonc]

subtle hit at the roman catholic church, I have lot of issues with them myself but no church is perfect. I can probably find dirt on mine.

 

[Conqueror]

I am aware of the interpretation false teachers bring,
who cannot explain;
that to "gather grapes" (Mat 7:16) is "sourcing fruit"

Fruits (plural - Mat 7:20) means both 'sourced fruit' and 'produced fruit'.

(1 Cor 4:6) .......... that you may learn in us
not to go BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN,
by SOURCING only the foundational prophets and apostles
(Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2).

Now check the Roman Canon !!!!!

Your response sounds cryptic, but I think I get what you are saying, and I still take a stand on Jesus' meaning for both "fruit" and "fruits" as the deeds of the people he is talking about. But I can see that if "deeds" includes where they are looking to find their "truth," then I guess that would be included, and would manifest in what they teach others and how they live their lives.
TD

You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:16 LEX).

False prophets gather grapes from other sources than the Tree of Life,
which means that they do not abide in Christ.
Only the prophets and apostles were chosen by Jesus (Rom 1:1-2, John 6:70).

That is irrefutable.


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[tdidymas]

You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:16 LEX).

False prophets gather grapes from other sources than the Tree of Life,
which means that they do not abide in Christ.
Only the prophets and apostles were chosen by Jesus (Rom 1:1-2, John 6:70).

That is irrefutable.


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I think your interpretation doesn't match the context. You are assuming that "they" in this verse is the false teacher, but that is not how the context reads. The "they" is the audience of the teacher, those who reap the fruit of the one teaching. There are 2 different "they"s in this verse, as exposed by the context, and a parallel passage is Luke 6:43–45. Jesus is warning the disciples not to listen to teachers of bad character, which is the meaning of the figure "they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes...." Therefore we can conclude by careful reading of the context:
1. "You will recognize them by their fruits" - is Jesus saying that by the deeds of false teachers the disciples discern that they are false. This is a literal statement, except that "fruits" is figurative representing deeds.
2. "they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles" - is a figure that represents listeners gathering information from teachers. The thorn bushes and thistles represent the false teachers, and "they" who gather represent the listeners, in this case disciples.
TD

 

[Conqueror]

You will recognise them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes
from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:16 LEX).

False prophets gather grapes from other sources than the Tree of Life,
which means that they do not abide in Christ.
Only the prophets and apostles were chosen by Jesus (Rom 1:1-2, John 6:70).

That is irrefutable.


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I think your interpretation doesn't match the context. You are assuming that "they" in this verse is the false teacher, but that is not how the context reads. The "they" is the audience of the teacher, those who reap the fruit of the one teaching. There are 2 different "they"s in this verse, as exposed by the context, and a parallel passage is Luke 6:43–45. Jesus is warning the disciples not to listen to teachers of bad character, which is the meaning of the figure "they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes...." Therefore we can conclude by careful reading of the context:
1. "You will recognize them by their fruits" - is Jesus saying that by the deeds of false teachers the disciples discern that they are false. This is a literal statement, except that "fruits" is figurative representing deeds.
2. "they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles" - is a figure that represents listeners gathering information from teachers. The thorn bushes and thistles represent the false teachers, and "they" who gather represent the listeners, in this case disciples.
TD

The false prophets who appear like sheep can be recognised,
by where they get their fruit from.

One either decides for the Tree of Life and its authorised agents -
the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20)
or one decides to accept the tares in the Roman Canon,
which the devil sowed among the wheat - word of God (Mat 13:25).

But I am getting ahead of myself for
John saw another beast coming up out of the earth,
and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon (Rev 13:11).
RCism appears to represent Christ, but speaks for satan.

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor,
free and slave, to receive a mark
on their right hand or on their foreheads (Rev 13:16),
That has happened for the Roman Canon has been forced upon Christendom.

The Roman Canon will be threshed in the harvest
and that poisonous darnel will be separated,
which leaves the Apostolic Canon containing
only the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20),

That truth will set Christendom free.
Notice how the Roman Canon was FORCED upon Christendom (Rev 13:16)
and how that mark is on forehead or hand is RECEIVED in the harvest (Rev 14:9)

Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his
mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself
shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation (Rev 14:9-10).





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[tdidymas]

The false prophets who appear like sheep can be recognised,
by where they get their fruit from.

You have no idea where a false prophet gets his "fruit." All you can tell is what you see them do and what comes out of their mouth. The reason why so many people are deceived is because the wolves in sheep's clothing call themselves Christians and quote the Bible. Since you aren't watching every moment of the life of a false prophet, you don't know where they are getting their information from until you hear it coming out of their mouth. Therefore the "fruit" is what they do. Your interpretation of the passage of scripture you quoted just doesn't hold water.
TD

 

[Conqueror]

You have no idea where a false prophet gets his "fruit."
TD

They aren't abiding in Christ,
but sourced knowledge of good and evil beyond the boundaries
of the Tree of Life and its authorised agents -
the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20)


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[Razeontherock]

subtle hit at the roman catholic church, I have lot of issues with them myself but no church is perfect. I can probably find dirt on mine.

Not so subtle. Not subtle at all, in fact!

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