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'Gay'-rights leader quits homosexuality

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Quath said:
So I am trying to get this straight.

1. Heaven and Earth have not passed away.
2. Therefore, not one jot or title of the old law has changed.
3. The laws states what the penality is for a sin (like stoning if you work on Saturday).

So can you explain where I am missing something? Are you saying that the penality is not part of the Old Law?

You know full well how the Law relates to the New Covenant, we've been over it again and again and again. For 4 years we've been over this yet you persist with the same old, tired and long worn out unacceptance of even one jot or one tittle of what's already been covered.

To tell the truth this persistant revisitation is becoming quite boring to say the least. It's not that hard Quath, even a caveman can do it.
:-D
 
Potluck said:
You know full well how the Law relates to the New Covenant, we've been over it again and again and again. For 4 years we've been over this yet you persist with the same old, tired and long worn out unacceptance of even one jot or one tittle of what's already been covered.

To tell the truth this persistant revisitation is becoming quite boring to say the least. It's not that hard Quath, even a caveman can do it.
:-D
I think that you are giving Quath too much credit!
 
Quath wrote:
Since heaven and Earth have not passed, then it seems the laws are still in effect. Would you agree?

Potluck wrote:
No.
The Law was the basis of the Old Covenant, we are under the New. Yet, as Paul said the Law tells us what sin is.

Paul went into great length in Romans about what you ask.
Vic.C wrote:
Quath, don't get too hung up on the word fulfill; we don't see it as an abolishment, we see it as a confirment. Read it that way;

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (confirm)

Jesus loves God and loves His neighbor as He loves Himself. That was the Law. He fulfilled it so that in Him, we may fulfill it also.
quath wrote:
So I am trying to get this straight.

1. Heaven and Earth have not passed away.
2. Therefore, not one jot or title of the old law has changed.
3. The laws states what the penality is for a sin (like stoning if you work on Saturday).

So can you explain where I am missing something? Are you saying that the penality is not part of the Old Law?


Oh Lord, make this head ache go away! :(

Why does Quath, miss the connection?
Is it because he denies the fact that the Holy Spirit is a revealing spirit. It reveals that which opposes it.

Butthen, since he does not give recognition to the "workings of the HOLY SPIRIT, how can we ever expect him to understand or see, or put any of the biblical teachings in order or proper perspective?
He doesn't study the bible in correct context, and he mixes the timeline and the context up. Therefore, he doesn't get the process of change which occurs in God's HOLY Word.

Quath just doesn't dedicate his time towards understanding the evolving, yet the absolute unchanging, Spirit of God... How can he? Quath refuses to believe that there is a God, that God is, was, and forever will be. He refuses to see God as the Alpha and Omega. Quath refuses to believe that God inspired the Holy Spirit to write through man, the teachings in the new testament to reveal what was hidden in the old. How then, can we expect Quath to understand any of what has been shown to him in response to his more than 5,000 postings here for over 4 years.

IF one refuses to trust in and believe the Holy Word of God, how can they learn anything that is OF God? They are NOT open to recieving the things of the Holy Spirit of God. Rejecting the commands to obey, to trust, to come to Him, to walk with Him, How can anyone accept when rejection is standing in the way, blocking all that The Spirit of God is willing to give? :(

Quath, you are in my prayers. Sad thing is that, for some reason, I have the impression that you deliberately create confusion and distraction in order to continue in making a game of debate, rather than wanting to know God you only see partly, that part you only wish to see is the wrath of God. You have no problems with pointing out that. However, you have great misunderstanding in what causes the wrath of God to occur, so how can we expect you to understand it? :( As long as you reject and demand that God do it your way, you have the better way... then you will not see God for all that His Holy Spirit really is willing to reveal to you.

You being a scientist/physicist, Quath, one would think you would be able to see the point of balance, that place in which all things find stability, even in the spiritual realm. But you don't see the character of God from both perspectives, so how can you see or understand the place of the Holy understanding.

I don't know about you folks, but It is so tiring for me to see Quath constantly affirming the opposing, but rarely if ever, affirming the principles of the Holiness of God.

Mercy! Quath, can you even attribute mercy as a quality that is OF God? But of course! How can you? you don't believe anything to be OF God. :(

We ask for mercy and God provides the means to escape the horrors of homosexuality. When God IS recognized as the source of redemption, we find redemption, we find escape from the bonds of wickedness, from the bonds of confusion, from the bonds of abominations unholy. And we see no offense having pointed out to us the offenses of sin... Because, we, in knowing sin is in the carnal mind of man have a way of redemption FROM sin. It is by way of the Holy Spirit of God that we are able to overcome that sin, sin which is so very destructive. We seek that which is Holy. Key being... IN and Through the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus living and working In and through us.

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jgredline said:
Folks....Trying screwing two nuts together or two bolts together...It does not work...Try a nut and bolt and you get a union...

AMEN!

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Relic said:
Why does Quath, miss the connection?

LOL!!!

I remember as a kid I'd ask a question then thereafter no matter what my Mom said I'd ask, "why?". Drove her nuts! Then my kids did the same thing to me so I'd not answer at all. The game lost it's flavor quickly and peace soon prevailed once more.
 
jgredline said:
Clearly Jesus was speaking as is stated in scripture that marriage is between a man and a women...

Jesus does not say a man shall divorce a man....or a women shall divorce a woman...
According to OT scripture, marriage is between a man, one or more woman and possible their slaves. So why is it ok for you to change it to "one man and one woman" and get upset when people try to make it "two people." As far as I can tell, neither are marriage definitions from the OT.

Folks....Trying screwing two nuts together or two bolts together...It does not work...Try a nut and bolt and you get a union...
Edited for violation of TOSI am not sure if you are trying to prove this is not the case, but it just comes across as a bad analogy.

Potluck said:
You know full well how the Law relates to the New Covenant, we've been over it again and again and again.
Edited for violation of TOS

Solo said:
I think that you are giving Quath too much credit!
Nice, class insult.

Relic said:
Why does Quath, miss the connection? Is it because he denies the fact that the Holy Spirit is a revealing spirit. It reveals that which opposes it.
This sounds like you are saying that you can say anthing is wrong or ok as long as you back it up with the phrase "the Holy Spirit led me to this belief."

Quath just doesn't dedicate his time towards understanding the evolving, yet the absolute unchanging, Spirit of God
How can something evolve and remain unchanged? It sounds like you are saying that unchanged, changes are improving.

Sad thing is that, for some reason, I have the impression that you deliberately create confusion and distraction in order to continue in making a game of debate, rather than wanting to know God you only see partly, that part you only wish to see is the wrath of God.
Edited for violation of TOS
 
Relic wrote:
Why does Quath, miss the connection? Is it because he denies the fact that the Holy Spirit is a revealing spirit. It reveals that which opposes it.

Quath wrote:
This sounds like you are saying that you can say anthing is wrong or ok as long as you back it up with the phrase "the Holy Spirit led me to this belief."

When you refuse to acknowledge and recognize what "SPIRIT is" then you don't understand that SPIRIT is a force in which there are many characteristics.


Relic wrote:
Quath just doesn't dedicate his time towards understanding the evolving, yet the absolute unchanging, Spirit of God

Quath wrote:
How can something evolve and remain unchanged? It sounds like you are saying that unchanged, changes are improving.

No that is not what I am saying.

My body is growing into an older body (it is changing) ... yet my body is still human (it is fixed) . I cannot be anything different than a human being, but yet, my body is still changing, as is my spirit, it is still a spirit but is evolving in it's growth process. My Spirit is a fixed entity, but yet, it has the capacity to expand in wisdom, in knowledge and in it's seeking after that which it desires. Hence, the evolving, yet the absolute unchanging. So it is, in the many aspects of God's creations, so it is with God. We are made in His image. He chose to make us look like we do. And it is His will that we might also choose Life as it is IN the HOLY SPIRIT. Anything that is outside of His sanctified Holiness is that which is opposed to His Holiness. If you choose to be outside of the holiness of God what then are you choosing? could it be.... the "Anti" of christ.. that which is anti-christ. Be careful of what you choose to evolve into.


But, you wouldn't understand if you insist on rejecting the facts about the characteristics of Spirit. The "Holy" Spirit of God is that which is in and of the Spirit OF Christ Jesus. We take on the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus. It is a choice.

You can choose what you will. But there is an absolute law that no man can escape, they can pervert, but they can't change the consequences of the absolute laws that are set in place according to each choice we will to possess. We can choose to evolve into whatever spirit we WILL TO POSSESS. But the spirit we choose to possess is what remains absolute in it's characteristic.

We ask for The Lord God to renew our mind to that of the Holy Spirit, to wash us clean of the spirit of sin. What spirit you choose is what spirit you are. I am that I am... is not a liar. If you want the spirit of anti-Christ, then that's what will possess. It's your choice. You can still choose to ask for a renewed mind, that which is of the sanctified Holy Spirit. The open arms of the Father are waiting for the prodigal son's return. If you choose to stay stuck where you are in the anti-Christ opinion, then that's exactly what you'll be, stuck without a way out. How say I so? Because it is a known fact that if you stay in a habit of doing something long enough... there is an extreme struggle to break the old habit of doing so. Some people never find a way out of their chosen mindset, because they don't look to the redeeming Spirit. Right now Quath, you are looking to the spirit that condemns the Spirit of judgment as designed by God. It's rule must be in place... no thing is without an opposing force. You have a choice of what side of the fence you want to be. And until you stop condemning God for his absolute rules of order as they are set in this life as we know it, you will only be stuck in that mindset, a mindset of condemning Him for something you will never be able to change. You are not the god of opposing forces. You are in fact idolizing the god of opposing forces who is Satan the devil is life backwards, that spirit is the one who loves to oppose the sanctified holiness of the Spirit of God and thinks it can override the absolutes of God's creation without consequences. If you choose to partner with the one who opposes the Holiness of the Spirit of God, then you get exactly that. If you continue to look to the wrath of God, you will miss the means to His promises of blessing. Moses warned Pharaoh to "Let my people Go...." but Pharaoh was made stubborn by God out of Pharaoh's own choices to be stubborn. God granted Pharaoh that very will of stubbornness by saying I will make him stubborn. You get what you will. God makes you what you will, if your will is stubborn, God makes you so. The wrath of God or the Blessing of God, it's a choice. Don't blame God for making you what you asked for in the first place. He will give you stubbornness if you insist. And he will give you an oppossing spirit if you insist. Is that what position you want to stay in? On Satan's side to incessantly be in critique of God's absolute laws? If you deny the fact that a spirit is at work in you, then you will be snared by his net even more so.
It's a matter of what spirit you choose to possess in your daily living. The deeper you go into the nest of the opposer, the deeper you will be, and the more difficult to get out of the habit of it.
Ask any person who is addicted to something, they will tell you... Bad habits are hard to break if you aren't relying on a higher power to bring you out of them.

Deception and malice to confound is an evolving spirit that is stubborn stuck exactly where it desires to be. Desire something long enough and you have made it your home (your resting place). The home is where your heart is. You can't change your heart unless you change your home.... Stay in a any unholy home long enough and eventually you will not find complacency in it. Rules are rules, we can pervert them by ignoring or adding our own make up to them, but we cannot change the absolute rule of it's principle, nor can we change the consequences of what is at the end result of perverting the truth of the law of order. Those are "spiritual" laws.

The Spirit IS an entity you must deal with every day. Whatever spirit you take on is evident in you and from out of you. It is that way for all of us. The choice of how you evolve is dependant upon the absolute laws you obey, or not.

John 4: 23-24
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


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Potluck said:
handy said:
This certainly throws a wrench in the idea that homosexuality is genetic. We'll need to remember to pray for Glatze, he will be a target.

Yes, especially if he chooses to publicize his experiences... If he hasn't been threatened already.

Looks like he's going ahead with it.

"We'll need to remember to pray for Glatze"


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=56575

By Michael Glatze

I used to be gay, or so I thought.

When I was about 13, I decided I must be gay because I was unable to handle my own masculinity. It scared me too much. My father had already given me a lot to be afraid of: He'd cheated on my mother and left her crying, alone and selflessly attempting to salvage a dead relationship.

When I was faced with the prospect of either being a "man" or being "me" – who I saw as "better than that" and "not someone who would do such awful things as men do" – I chose "me." Then, because "me" was not "a man," "me" became gay.

I'm not saying this is how homosexuality develops for everybody. It's just my story.

For me, however, it became all-encompassing because I've always been driven to strive and achieve in everything I do. So I became an activist.

I started activism when I was 20 at Dartmouth College where I went to school. I continued as a protester at the Republican National Convention in San Diego in 1996. We chalked outlines of ourselves on the sidewalk and ran around shouting slogans and such.

When I was 22, I started work at XY Magazine, the first-ever magazine targeted at gay youth. Then, when I was about 25, I edited "The XY Survival Guide: Everything You Need to Know About Being Young & Gay," the first-ever "guidebook" for being young and gay. Then when I was 26, I left XY to start Young Gay America, which was a non-profit, media-based outreach project that drove around North America, conducting interviews with gay and lesbian youth and uploading their interviews and stories to the Internet in a community-based website.

Young Gay America became Young Gay America Magazine in 2004. During the time between starting Young Gay America in 2001 and starting YGA Magazine, I was in over 50 magazines and newspapers, television and radio shows.

I was asked to speak on prestigious panels all over the world, at universities and conferences, as an expert on gay youth. In 2004, I sat on the first-ever gay youth in America panel discussion at the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

I met world leaders as part of Young Gay America. I met the mayor of Berlin and the prime minister of Canada. Young Gay America received a National Role Model Award, and a film that Young Gay America helped make was screened at 50 international film festivals, won awards and even screened for a special bipartisan gathering of the U.S. Congress.

As you can see, Young Gay America, at least for me, was a big success.

YGA Magazine was loved by many and accepted instantly into several North American high schools' libraries. Parents groups loved it. We had all 5-star reviews on Amazon.com; it was loved.

I, however, was not loved – not loved by myself, that is.

I was in a relationship that was challenging, because it had aspects to it that I didn't enjoy. I didn't know until later that those aspects were not unique to my situation at all. But at the same time, I didn't understand what was really bothering me.

It turned out, after I left YGA and my relationship, what was really bothering me was homosexuality itself.

It's not popular to say that, especially when you're a gay rights "pioneer" (or so some people called me; I never tried to see myself as such, though I didn't exactly turn down the accolades). It's not a popular thing at all. It's more popular to say you've committed a crime than to say – as a gay person – that you might have a problem with homosexuality.

That gets labeled "internal homophobia."

Well, I knew all about internal homophobia, having read up, studied, volunteered for Gay & Lesbian National Hotline counseling sessions with random people, having interviewed and "empowered" over 1,000 young people in 38 states and four Canadian provinces, and even Zagreb, Croatia, about the importance of overcoming internal homophobia. It was not news to me at all.

Then again, it wasn't internal homophobia that caused my so-called "hatred" of my own homosexuality.

It was God.

God – I know – is a buzzword. God scares people. I know this. I'm sorry that's the case.

However, this is my story. And, my story includes me having a nervous breakdown, feeling like I was hurting tons of people with my actions, and turning to the Bible, praying and understanding that what was in the Bible was not nearly as scary as what people had made it out to be.

In my story, I became acquainted with a very personal God whom I spoke to and who told me that I was beautiful, and that everyone else was – and is – too. In my story, I had a good relationship with God that got richer as I spent more time with Him. In my story, God is my best friend.

I continued to develop a deeper understanding of who and what I really am, thanks to God and thanks to what He showed me. I followed His guidance and found books that revealed all sorts of "deep, dark" secrets about things like "socialism," Concerned Women for America, "abstinence-only education" and the National Association of Research & Therapy of Homosexuality. All these things I found truly opened my eyes.

For me, it was both a blessing and a profound curse – a challenge and a heartache – that God showed me all of this information. I knew what it meant: that I was going to have to forsake all of my life up until that point. Jesus, in the Bible, asks us to give up our lives for his sake. In a sense, I was ready and willing to do that.

In a sense, that's exactly what I did. And I became a Christian. And I started to heal – and I stand today a healed man.

And so, my story becomes a story of healing from homosexuality, which I write in order to "set the record straight" about the notion that people can't heal from homosexuality. That is not true. People can heal. I did it.

How did it happened? Well, a lot of that is private. A lot of that has to do with figuring out deep things about my mind, about the nature of where "desire" comes from, about what we think "desire" is and what it really is, about all sorts of things like that.

I can – and easily would – describe it if asked.

But for the sake of brevity here, I'm focusing on the fact that it did occur. And I did get cured.

I'm not looking for an award or recognition. I'm not looking for anybody even to be happy for me – I know a lot of people are probably really upset to hear me say this.

I know that's the case, because I know that if I had heard somebody say these things a few years ago, I probably would've made them Public Enemy No. 1 on my list.

In my humble story, however, I'm happy this way.

That's it.

That's not it, though, on second thought. Because on second thought, if I think about it, I was under the impression, right from the beginning, that homosexuality was an intrinsic part of me that I couldn't get rid of. People scared me into thinking that. And people do that today. I did that to people! I led a media company that focused on doing that.

So, no, it's not the end of the story at all – my story, that is. It's not at all my end. Because, from my perspective, homosexuality is not just something I was healed from, but it's something that is flat-out wrong, because it can be healed, even though people say it can't.

And not only can it be healed, I've seen the difference between gay and straight in my very mind!

I've seen it go from one … to the other – NEVER to return.

I wouldn't want it to return, because now I can't even imagine it. It's like thinking about doing the weirdest, grossest thing that just makes you feel sick inside.

This, again, is my story. And in my story, it makes me repulsed to think about homosexuality.

And when I step back a little bit, I know why! Because people are supposed to feel like homosexuality is gross, because such a feeling prevents them from wanting to do it. And people are supposed to not want to do it, because doing it is something that prevents them from having babies, and having babies is something that we – naturally – are supposed to want to do, for human beings to survive. And, so, it's obvious why people should feel gross about homosexuality.

It's not "wrong" for people to think it's gross. It makes sense!

If anything, it's not thinking homosexuality is gross that's weird. What if we stopped thinking that all harmful behaviors – all things that prevent us from doing what we're supposed to do and being what we're supposed to be – were gross? What then? Would we have no natural sense of who we are, why we're here, what we're supposed to do with our lives?

I understand this notion of "homophobia" – only it's not a phobia at all. It's common sense.

My story is that now I know the Truth about homosexuality. And my story is that now I'm going to do what I can to fight it.
 
Michael
Perhaps this should have its own thread, you decide...For now I will post it here...

FIRST PRESIDENTIAL 'GAY DEBATE' ANNOUNCED


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Presidential Candidates In First Ever Gay Debate
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

Posted: July 10, 2007 - 1:00 pm ET

(Los Angeles, California) For the first time the leading candidates for the presidency will hold a televised debate devoted solely to LGBT issues.

The one-hour event will be held on August 9 and broadcast on gay network LOGO at 9:00 pm ET (6:00 pm ET) and through live streaming video at LOGOonline.com.

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards have confirmed they will participate. Several other Democratic candidates also may join the debate.

The debate will be conducted with a live audience in Los Angeles. On the panel questioning the two Democrats will be Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese and singer Melissa Etheridge.

The debate was put together by LOGO and HRC.

"In the 2008 presidential election, issues of concern to the LGBT community have already been at the forefront of the national conversation,†said Solmonese.

"From the repeal of “Don’t ask, Don’t Tell†to the recent signing of a civil unions bill in New Hampshire, there is no doubt that voters will demand answers to important questions affecting our community."

The panelists in a statement said they plan to cover a range of issues including relationship recognition, marriage equality, workplace fairness, the military, hate crimes, HIV/AIDS and other important issues.

The LGBT vote is considered a decisive electoral force and according to exit poll data make up approximately 4 percent of the voting population.

Los Angeles was chosen as the site for the event because of the state’s early primary election, on February 5th, 2008.

"We're honored to give the presidential candidates an historic opportunity to share their views directly with the LGBT audience," Brian Graden, President, Entertainment, MTV Networks Music Group, and President, LOGO said in a statement.

"This forum continues MTV Networks’ tradition of engaging vital niche audiences with voting and the electoral process."

In addition to questioning by Solmonese and Etheridge people will be able to pose their own questions through LOGOonline.com and HRC.org.

LOGO is the owner of 365Gay.com.
 
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