Gen 6

[th1b.taylor]

Genesis 6:1:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2:

that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. (ASV0


Here is a controversial passage that oft generates great conversations and some times silly arguments. The single most common error with this passage is to determine the “sons of God” are Angels, this is just not so. Going outside the scriptures to study the customs of the ancient Hebrew and we find that, before the Flood, the sons of God was a reference to the linage of Seth, the third, listed, son of Adam, the Godly line, as opposed to Cain. These daughters of men would be, then, daughters of Cain's line or some other but not of Seth.


Genesis 6:3:

And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.


Wow!! Adam was created perfect but gave that away and men lived for, an average of better than 900 years, often not bearing children until after their hundred years on the Earth and God was so upset He cut over 8/10ths of their live off.


Genesis 6:4:

The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

Genesis 6:5:

And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


Now, here is more fuel for this discussion and this is oft tossed at me like yesterdays trash when this is discussed, especially on the Web. Again, these men are not Angels, in the form of men, they are men, large bodied, as is recorded by archeology and ancient writtings.


Here we need the meat of this subject introduced. Angels, like God, the Father and God the Spirit are spirit beings! Except God determines it to be, they have no extension in Time and Space. Now you need to draw on Primary education here. God knows everything you will ever do, thousands f years ago, He knew you would do it! (read Jeremiah) God knew us before we were concieved!


This being true, and it is, God knew Lucifer would betra Him before He created him and He knows what every other angel will ever do. God has no evil in Him and the Demons, fallen Angels, cannot enter into the body of a man without God making it so, and that would require God to be evil at some point. That should get a conversation started.


Genesis 6:6:

And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:7:

And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.


Now, here we need to be ready to think. God has seen this recorded for our edification and we, oft. Toss this on the floor and walk away from it. Remember now, in Primary Classes, as first thru third grade levels we learned, from the Bible that nothing is unknown by God, before hand! So, why does this say what it says?


Remember, God is teaching His created beings how He wants us to live. Before God created Adam He knew he would follow Eve, rather than to choose to walk with him and He created us anyway. On the other hand, God is teaching us to understand some things about Him and, like the expulsion from the Garden, here is another lesson on the Wrath of God.


Genesis 6:8:

But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah.

Genesis 6:9:

These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:10:

And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


I would enjoy believing that I could state that Noah demonstrates the idea that the line of Seth remained pure but that is not the case. God found all of man to be evil and even the sons of Noah are not excluded from that statement. So what in the world am I talking about, his sons and their wives were saved! And that is my Life Application here.


Noah's sons came under the influence of their dad and because of Noah, they were spared. As we look around us we see folks that God, could and sometimes should, exterminate but I tell you they have the mercy of God because of God's people in their midst, just as Noah's sons were blessed by their earthly father.


Genesis 6:11:

And the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Genesis 6:12:

And God saw the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.



Genesis 6:13:

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Genesis 6:14:

Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

Genesis 6:15:

And this is how thou shalt make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Genesis 6:16:

A light shalt thou make to the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it upward; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

Genesis 6:17:

And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 6:18:

But I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.

Genesis 6:19:

And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Genesis 6:20:

Of the birds after their kind, and of the cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Genesis 6:21:

And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.



Genesis 6:22:

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.


Verse 19 is, absolutely the end of the silly idea that God killed the Dinosaurs. The Ark was built to the measure of a cubit. (A cubit is the length from the tip of your longest finger to the tip of your bent elbow, about 18 inches) Form this and from the remains of the monsters we easily see that adult dinosaurs did not enter the Ark and certainly not seven adult pairs of each species.


However, God saw to it that every species survived the flood. Now, it is important to remember what you have learned from the previous chapters. We know that Adam was created with the ability to live forever and worthy of discussion is, does that mean spiritually only or did that include his created body?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hello Mr. Taylor,
your last question, I see Adam was made to live forever in his body.
But when sin entered him, he must die.
The body died.
But God provided a way for Adam to live forever spiritually through the coming Messiah.

As for the Nephilim, I agree with you that it is through the line of Seth and not fallen angels.
Angels can take on the form of a human being but not actually be human.
No where in Scripture are angels that take on the form of a human are described as being giants.

There are people that do great things and have achieved this greatness through evil deeds.
They are certainly giants.

However, I must say this.
I have researched this through Jewish sources and it is my understanding that many great Rabbis have different views on who the Nephilim were, some thinking that they were fallen angels.

My final thought is that we will never know for sure in this lifetime.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Genesis 6:1:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2:

that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. (ASV0

Perhaps you could explain this in more detail.

Is that to say that only one lineage even had a chance? What would be the purpose of creating lines of humans who have no chance. Isn't that cruel? What was their deficiency? Did they know they were doomed?

Secondly it says the sons of God. Didn't the line have daughters? Were they no daughters of God who married Sons of man?

Perhaps it isn't literal, but figurative in the first place.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hello Mr. Taylor,
your last question, I see Adam was made to live forever in his body.
But when sin entered him, he must die.
The body died.
But God provided a way for Adam to live forever spiritually through the coming Messiah.

As for the Nephilim, I agree with you that it is through the line of Seth and not fallen angels.
Angels can take on the form of a human being but not actually be human.
No where in Scripture are angels that take on the form of a human are described as being giants.

There are people that do great things and have achieved this greatness through evil deeds.
They are certainly giants.

However, I must say this.
I have researched this through Jewish sources and it is my understanding that many great Rabbis have different views on who the Nephilim were, some thinking that they were fallen angels.

My final thought is that we will never know for sure in this lifetime.

You, sir, have my vote as it appears you are as serious and as thoughtful in your study as I try to be. You also seem to take my comments in the nature they are posted in. I have been an inter-active teacher from the day I was called but getting most folks to talk is difficult.

I also have found that the Fallen Angel theory has bridged both the Jewish and the Christian Teachings but they tend to give power to them that is, exclusively the realm of God and I just cannot go there. To do that I would be quennching the Spirit in my life.

 

[By Grace]

You, sir, have my vote as it appears you are as serious and as thoughtful in your study as I try to be. You also seem to take my comments in the nature they are posted in. I have been an inter-active teacher from the day I was called but getting most folks to talk is difficult.

I also have found that the Fallen Angel theory has bridged both the Jewish and the Christian Teachings but they tend to give power to them that is, exclusively the realm of God and I just cannot go there. To do that I would be quennching the Spirit in my life.

IMHO the answer should be "Because none of us were there, we can only guess." then let it lay.

Let us remember why Moses wrote that, and what he brought to the table as a scribe of Scripture. The Bible is not a history book in the common sense, but it is a history of God working with His covenant children throughout history. Therefore any referencing of people outside that covenant is incidental, and not a part of that covenantal history.

A second but similar concern is the origin of the term, "Nephalim" . Transliterated, the root Hebrew verb is NFL. The "im" makes the verb into a plural noun, and the word "nephalim" is translated as "the fallen ones". Therefore there is a great problem with the idea of angles copulating and impregnating human women. I will leave some things unsaid, but I hasten to state that the nature of angles is spiritual because they occupy the spiritual realm, while the nature of humans is physical; we occupy time and physical space.

The problem with searching the Kabbalah and other non-sacred writings for meanings of what the early Rabbis thought is two fold:
First is the fact that the Rabbis frequently sought simplistic explanations to the most esoteric things in the Bible. Many of the things that they attempted to create answers for were simply theories that had no basis in Scripture.

Second is the obvious fact that the writings of the Rabbis is not inerrant, and most importantly are not Scripture. Therefore we all must take them with a large grain of Kosher salt. (pun intended) Many of their writings on the esoteric things were "puff pieces" which were demonstrations of how smart the particular Rabbi was.

While speculation is fun, it can also be a deceptive trap. It can lead to over inflating of one's self worth, and to seek "honor among men" instead of peace with God. Plus, it can also lead to non-productive disputes among the saints (such as the Calvinist vs Arminian so-called discussions) and that sort of thing creates no light, and emits a sulfurous stench especially when tempers flare, and egos get scorched.

Therefore we do NOT need to understand all the things of God. If we did, we could have Him in out shoebox full of theology snippets.
If John could write this at the end of the Gospel bearing his name:

John 29:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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then it is not wrong to follow the advice of Moses when he closes the Pentateuch:

Deuteronomy 29: 29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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I sincerely hope this long reply answers your short question.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Genesis 6:1:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2:

that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. (ASV0

Perhaps you could explain this in more detail.

Is that to say that only one lineage even had a chance? What would be the purpose of creating lines of humans who have no chance. Isn't that cruel? What was their deficiency? Did they know they were doomed?

Secondly it says the sons of God. Didn't the line have daughters? Were they no daughters of God who married Sons of man?

Perhaps it isn't literal, but figurative in the first place.

Good morning Kevin.
God created only one lineage of humans in spite of, now, disproved theories of at loeast two lines of humans. This has been scientifically disproved wi8th the discovery of DNA. The female, it is reported, is much simpler to track than the male line and science has demonstrated that all humans are the descendants of one female.

Your questions are misstated because you have imposed your standards on your Creator as if you have the right to do this, but none of us have that right. The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission.

In this study, I'm not doing a comprehensive study of the Bible, not even a comprehensive study of Genesis. My outlines on Genesis and any other book of the scriptures are talking points, nothing more. The important thing to begin with in any study is the nature of the subject. In this case, the subject of your questions is God but that is misdirected because the subject of the Bible, from beginning to end, is the Salvation of man.

God created man and the angels with a free will because He wanted to give and to receive love and without free will, love is not possible. What you have touched on here, maybe not thinking about it, is Predestination.

Predestination is a great subject study and is far, far, to often not studied completely, creating 5 Point Hyper Calvinists and Armenians. They hod to one extreme or the other by tossing the passages that disagree with their, chosen, position... very dangerous! The truth is found with a complete, unbiased study that involves several years of continuous study and prayerful submission.

God s not limited by the Time/Space Continuum He created for mankind. From the past 23+ years of study I have been taught by the Holy Spirit that God does not have the boundaries of Past, Present and Future but, rather, in the Spirit Realm time is limitless meaning that God, the Father, knows the name of the last person that will be saved and the very second that person will submit to Him.

On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it.

 

[veryberry]

Gen 6: 2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Something to think about...

Jude 6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Angels are spirits in their original state
Psalms 104: 4 - Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Hebrewes 1: 7 - And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

When an angel mutates from the spirit world into strange flesh, he permanently forfeits the spirit world. These perverted angels are able to procreate with women.
Gen 6: 1-4 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

When God destroys these perverted beings, they die like men.
Ps. 82: 7 - But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

and are chained in hell until The Great White Throne Judgment.
1 Cor 6: 1-3 - Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2. Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3. Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

2 Peter 2: 4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned,(what was their sin?) but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[Chopper]

Your questions are misstated because you have imposed your standards on your Creator as if you have the right to do this, but none of us have that right. The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission.

Mr. Taylor, I'm not fond of this statement in the Bible Study forum. Please remember that this is not a debate forum, nor a place where you are allowed to make ill statements to other posters. I have been impressed with your knowledge and time spent instructing others, and I really don't think you meant that statement. Please be careful in the future, thank you.

 

[Chopper]

Good morning Kevin.
God created only one lineage of humans in spite of, now, disproved theories of at loeast two lines of humans. This has been scientifically disproved wi8th the discovery of DNA. The female, it is reported, is much simpler to track than the male line and science has demonstrated that all humans are the descendants of one female.

Your questions are misstated because you have imposed your standards on your Creator as if you have the right to do this, but none of us have that right. The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission.

In this study, I'm not doing a comprehensive study of the Bible, not even a comprehensive study of Genesis. My outlines on Genesis and any other book of the scriptures are talking points, nothing more. The important thing to begin with in any study is the nature of the subject. In this case, the subject of your questions is God but that is misdirected because the subject of the Bible, from beginning to end, is the Salvation of man.

God created man and the angels with a free will because He wanted to give and to receive love and without free will, love is not possible. What you have touched on here, maybe not thinking about it, is Predestination.

Predestination is a great subject study and is far, far, to often not studied completely, creating 5 Point Hyper Calvinists and Armenians. They hod to one extreme or the other by tossing the passages that disagree with their, chosen, position... very dangerous! The truth is found with a complete, unbiased study that involves several years of continuous study and prayerful submission.

God s not limited by the Time/Space Continuum He created for mankind. From the past 23+ years of study I have been taught by the Holy Spirit that God does not have the boundaries of Past, Present and Future but, rather, in the Spirit Realm time is limitless meaning that God, the Father, knows the name of the last person that will be saved and the very second that person will submit to Him.

On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it.

Please take note of my reply to your post, above.

 

[By Grace]

God created man and the angels with a free will because He wanted to give and to receive love and without free will, love is not possible. What you have touched on here, maybe not thinking about it, is Predestination.

Predestination is a great subject study and is far, far, to often not studied completely, creating 5 Point Hyper Calvinists and Armenians. They hod to one extreme or the other by tossing the passages that disagree with their, chosen, position... very dangerous! The truth is found with a complete, unbiased study that involves several years of continuous study and prayerful submission.

I believe that should be/can be addressed better HERE on this site.

God s not limited by the Time/Space Continuum He created for mankind. From the past 23+ years of study I have been taught by the Holy Spirit that God does not have the boundaries of Past, Present and Future but, rather, in the Spirit Realm time is limitless meaning that God, the Father, knows the name of the last person that will be saved and the very second that person will submit to Him.

On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it.

That can be better discussed if you create a new thread HERE

Thank you for your consideration of my suggestions

 

[Chopper]

I believe that should be/can be addressed better HERE on this site.




That can be better discussed if you create a new thread HERE

Thank you for your consideration of my suggestions

I tend to agree. Mr Taylor started here full well knowing that there would be no debate or insults. I'd like to leave it here for reasons I've explained before. I appreciate your concern Grace, lets see if this thread can abide by the rules. If not? I will will step in.

 

[Deborah13]

Good morning Kevin.
God created only one lineage of humans in spite of, now, disproved theories of at loeast two lines of humans. This has been scientifically disproved wi8th the discovery of DNA. The female, it is reported, is much simpler to track than the male line and science has demonstrated that all humans are the descendants of one female.

Your questions are misstated because you have imposed your standards on your Creator as if you have the right to do this, but none of us have that right. The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission.

In this study, I'm not doing a comprehensive study of the Bible, not even a comprehensive study of Genesis. My outlines on Genesis and any other book of the scriptures are talking points, nothing more. The important thing to begin with in any study is the nature of the subject. In this case, the subject of your questions is God but that is misdirected because the subject of the Bible, from beginning to end, is the Salvation of man.

God created man and the angels with a free will because He wanted to give and to receive love and without free will, love is not possible. What you have touched on here, maybe not thinking about it, is Predestination.

Predestination is a great subject study and is far, far, to often not studied completely, creating 5 Point Hyper Calvinists and Armenians. They hod to one extreme or the other by tossing the passages that disagree with their, chosen, position... very dangerous! The truth is found with a complete, unbiased study that involves several years of continuous study and prayerful submission.

God s not limited by the Time/Space Continuum He created for mankind. From the past 23+ years of study I have been taught by the Holy Spirit that God does not have the boundaries of Past, Present and Future but, rather, in the Spirit Realm time is limitless meaning that God, the Father, knows the name of the last person that will be saved and the very second that person will submit to Him.

On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it.

" The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission."
"On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it."

Some how these sound like contradictory statements to me.

 

[veryberry]

I think he is talking about angelic beings need permission. But, I do see your point...

 

[th1b.taylor]

I tend to agree. Mr Taylor started here full well knowing that there would be no debate or insults. I'd like to leave it here for reasons I've explained before. I appreciate your concern Grace, lets see if this thread can abide by the rules. If not? I will will step in.

Chopper,
I have posted my latest instalments in the A&T as will the rest of Genesis. I won't debate anyone over the Bible but I do find that steel sharpens steel.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I think he is talking about angelic beings need permission. But, I do see your point...

Since I've been directed, in a polite manor, to move to A&t with these posts, this will likely be the last to this string but you seem to have been taught or you self instructed your mind in contextual understanding and yep, angels cannot take the form of a man without God doing it for them... and He will not sin.

 

[Chopper]

Chopper,
I have posted my latest instalments in the A&T as will the rest of Genesis. I won't debate anyone over the Bible but I do find that steel sharpens steel.

I agree Bill, steel does indeed sharpen steel. My concern is that when a member decides to start a thread, he must evaluate whether or not it will draw debate. He/she then can choose the appropriate forum. Thank you for switching. Question, do you want this thread moved to A&T?

 

[Deborah13]

Good morning Kevin.
God created only one lineage of humans in spite of, now, disproved theories of at loeast two lines of humans. This has been scientifically disproved wi8th the discovery of DNA. The female, it is reported, is much simpler to track than the male line and science has demonstrated that all humans are the descendants of one female.

I understood Kevin to be talking about men's lineage as in Seth vs Cain or Esau vs Jacob. Genealogy.

Your questions are misstated because you have imposed your standards on your Creator as if you have the right to do this, but none of us have that right. The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission.

In this study, I'm not doing a comprehensive study of the Bible, not even a comprehensive study of Genesis. My outlines on Genesis and any other book of the scriptures are talking points, nothing more. The important thing to begin with in any study is the nature of the subject. In this case, the subject of your questions is God but that is misdirected because the subject of the Bible, from beginning to end, is the Salvation of man.

God created man and the angels with a free will because He wanted to give and to receive love and without free will, love is not possible. What you have touched on here, maybe not thinking about it, is Predestination.

Predestination is a great subject study and is far, far, to often not studied completely, creating 5 Point Hyper Calvinists and Armenians. They hod to one extreme or the other by tossing the passages that disagree with their, chosen, position... very dangerous! The truth is found with a complete, unbiased study that involves several years of continuous study and prayerful submission.

God s not limited by the Time/Space Continuum He created for mankind. From the past 23+ years of study I have been taught by the Holy Spirit that God does not have the boundaries of Past, Present and Future but, rather, in the Spirit Realm time is limitless meaning that God, the Father, knows the name of the last person that will be saved and the very second that person will submit to Him.

On that basis, God knew before He created the Earth every person that would and would not be saved. That does not mean He created some to be saved and some to be damned, that is our decision but He knows what we will and what we will not do because He has already witnessed it.

 

[Deborah13]

Since I've been directed, in a polite manor, to move to A&t with these posts, this will likely be the last to this string but you seem to have been taught or you self instructed your mind in contextual understanding and yep, angels cannot take the form of a man without God doing it for them... and He will not sin.

So are you saying that this statement was only referring to angelic beings or you would like, in the context of this thread, to discuss this statement only in reference to angels?
" The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission."

 

[th1b.taylor]

I agree Bill, steel does indeed sharpen steel. My concern is that when a member decides to start a thread, he must evaluate whether or not it will draw debate. He/she then can choose the appropriate forum. Thank you for switching. Question, do you want this thread moved to A&T?

Please, yes.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So are you saying that this statement was only referring to angelic beings or you would like, in the context of this thread, to discuss this statement only in reference to angels?
" The very universe is held in the hand of God and nothing happens without His permission."

Deb13, let's do as the mods have requested.