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You do understand that the Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Son do not make mistakes like this.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Gen 6
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Rather any mistakes.
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All who will inherit life immortal are gods. Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.
Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, men of renown.
[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]
Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Hos. 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.
Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.
Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yahshua.
Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are (gods / elohiym;) you are all sons of the Most High.
John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34 Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are (gods / elohiym) 35If he called them ('gods / elohiym,) to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god from Heaven.
John 10:24. The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”
Adoption to sonship
Malachi 2:15
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring.
Romans 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”
Romans 8:23
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
Romans 9:4
the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Galatians 4:5
to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.
Ephesians 1:5
he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—
I would like to point out that there is only one person who is truly a God; and that is Yahwah our Holy Father. The term (elohiym / gods) is used to mean that the person-s, have, or will have, life immortal. The term "gods" does not mean the people have any special powers.
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The origin of the word "angel" comes from Greek mythology. The correct translation is "messenger."
Greek goddess called Angel
In Greek mythology, Angelos (Ancient Greek: Ἄγγελος) or Angelia (Ἀγγελία) was a daughter of Zeus and Hera who became known as a chthonic deity. The world of the dead (Hell) is her realm of influence, and was assigned an epithet katachthonia ("she of the underworld").
In Ancient Greek; angels known as ἄγγελος (ángelos). In Latin: angels are called "angelus."
(Greek mythology) The daughter of Zeus and Hera, and goddess of the Underworld.
ANGELIA was the personified spirit (daimona) of messages, tidings and proclamations. The English word "angel" derives the same ancient Greek word.
The rationalist view of angels, as held by Maimonides, Gersonides, Samuel Ibn Tibbon, etc., states that God's actions are never mediated by a violation of the laws of nature. Rather, all such interactions are by way of messengers. Maimonides harshly states that the average person's understanding of the term "angel" is ignorant in the extreme.
The origin of angels in history is quite complicated to figure out, due to angels or similar spirit beings being found within many cultures around the globe.
Angels are also found within Sumerian, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian and Greek writings. Serapis (Latin spelling, or Sarapis in Greek) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. It is well known that ancient Sumerian texts predated the Hebrew book of Genesis, including the idea of the existence of angels.
Although called different names, angels can also be found within other religions, mythologies, and lore. Hinduism has avatars, Buddhism has devas and bodhisattvas, the Greeks wrote about daimons, and other spirit beings similar to angels, such as guardian spirits and spirit guides, have been taught by tribal cultures.
The reality is this from a biblical perspective. A messenger of God is a person either here on earth, or from the Kingdom of God. The number of wings is symbolic of status, nothing more. The difference being a real person, or Pagan mythology.
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Let’s focus on the scriptures, not Greek Mythology or commentary.
sons of God is a reference to angels in the Old Testament.
The preceding chapter teaches us their were no son of God in the genealogy of man.
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.
So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.
Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD has cursed.” After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5:1-31
- Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
No mention of the “sons of God“ from Adam to Noah.
Noah did not beget any “sons of God”.
“sons of God is a reference to angels in the Old Testament.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 1:6-7
The “sons of God“ as well as Satan came to present themselves before the LORD, in a place that wasn’t on earth.
- From where do you come?” So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth
Satan plainly stated he had come from the earth.
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donadams I'm amazed at your understanding.You know the truth. Satan removed Adam and Eve placed them on earth and redesign them in flesh to cover the spirit of the only God. Raped Eve and begot the two then lied and named them Cain and Abel. The sons of Seth will ascend.
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Nothing ascends that has not first came from above.
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Their true names are Yahweh is righteous; Elohim is not.
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All of this is horribly false and has no basis in Scripture nor place in Christianity or any Christian's beliefs.
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2 Kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
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These words are Jesus words not mine. I believe in Jesus
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You just don't know that you're in a prison here on earth. Again these are Jesus words not mine. Search the scriptures my friend
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Tell me then what are their origin if you understand are they the Father or maybe the Holy Spirit how about Jesus. Or are they just another God. Just think about that. If it's not the Trinity. Who gave them the words in their mouth. Please note none of them led any to salvation.I would like to see your response.
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Then show where, exactly Jesus says these things.
Not the Jesus of the Bible, and that is what matters.
Origin of who, or what? You need to be much more clear in who you are taking about in all of these sentences. I can't answer until then.
It has nothing to do with jealousy in the way you seem to be using it, which is the common, modern understanding of it. Yes, God says he is a jealous God, but it is in the way a man who truly and deeply loves his wife is jealous for her, that no other would try and seduce her and that she would not be seduced, and he does all he can to protect and care for her.
The Bible clearly states that all other gods are false idols, not actual living beings:
Deu 4:28 And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Psa 135:15 The idols of the nations are silver and gold, the work of human hands.
Psa 135:16 They have mouths, but do not speak; they have eyes, but do not see;
Psa 135:17 they have ears, but do not hear, nor is there any breath in their mouths.
Psa 135:18 Those who make them become like them, so do all who trust in them.
Isa 37:19 and have cast their gods into the fire. For they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone. Therefore they were destroyed.
Isa 42:17 They are turned back and utterly put to shame, who trust in carved idols, who say to metal images, “You are our gods.”
Isa 46:6 Those who lavish gold from the purse, and weigh out silver in the scales, hire a goldsmith, and he makes it into a god; then they fall down and worship!
Isa 46:7 They lift it to their shoulders, they carry it, they set it in its place, and it stands there; it cannot move from its place. If one cries to it, it does not answer or save him from his trouble.
Jer 2:11 Has a nation changed its gods, even though they are no gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit.
There is only one, true, living God, whose name is Yahweh and is Elohim:
Deu 4:35 To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides him.
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Deu 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
Deu 32:39 "'See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
(All ESV.)
The reason Jesus doesn't repeat certain commandments is because he was a Jew speaking to Jews; it goes without saying that they were to have no other gods.
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John 3 verse 13 I think
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O my Father, they are in a deep sleep and wish not to be awaken. The ruler of the prison has dulled their mind as the prophet says.
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Comments like this are pointless for discussion. Please provide the information I've asked for and address anything you think is wrong in what I've posted.
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I will not relay the little book to you but only to the one that is to come, you have chosen your gods. Until you understand Isaiah 61 or Luke 4 verse 18 or revelation 14 verse 4 and or day 1 in the beginning when time stated.