[_ Old Earth _] Geocentricity versus Heliocentricity

[AKJVReader]

These are a few of the many scriptures showing that the Bible is geocentric:

Psalms 93:1 ¶ "The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it CANNOT BE MOVED."

This verse proves geocentricism:
Joshua 10:
12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

Notice that the scriptures say the moon and the Sun stayed still, it doesn't say the Earth. A heliocentric believer would have to believe that the Earth stop rotating after going 1,038 MPH at the equator. Can you imagine the momentum this would cause? Imagine driving in a car going 120 mph and stopping instantly.

GEOCENTRICITY EXTENDED TO INCLUDE MORE VERSES:
(No one that believes in geocentricity accepts numbers 3-7 of the following proposal. This is my personal opinion.)[THE EARTH]
1. DOES NOT ROTATE: In the beginning the earth did not spin.
2. DOES NOT ROTATE - AT THE PRESENT TIME: The earth continues standing still until midway through the tribulation period. The firmament, enclosing the sun, moon and stars, rotates daily around the earth. The firmament must rotate to exist.
3. ROTATES - LAST HALF OF TRIBULATION - Isaiah 13:13: God miraculously causes the firmament to instantly stop rotating and the earth to instantly begin rotating, to provide day and night. The world gets what it has always believed and which embarrasses God’s word. The universe is unstable.
4. DOES NOT ROTATE - MILLENNIUM - Haggai 2:6,7: The earth does not rotate and the firmament does, which is normal and stable.
5. ROTATES - SATAN LOOSED - Hebrews 12:26,27: When Satan is loosed for a season, God shakes the heavens and the earth causing the firmament to stop its daily rotation and the earth to rotate.
6. NEITHER THE FIRMAMENT NOR THE EARTH ROTATE -JUDGMENT DAY: For judgment day God again shakes the heavens and earth.. The firmament is stationary and now the earth stops.– Job 38:12,137.
7. DAY AND NIGHT ROTATES: Day and night rotates forever inside the great gulf. Luke 16:26

ECCLESIASTES 1:4-7:
4 One generation passeth away...cometh, but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth...goeth down
6 The wind goeth...returneth
7 All the rivers run...return again.

We are to take things in context. We know the generations, wind and rivers actually move, so the sun also literally, physically moves being carried daily around the earth by the rotating firmament. The earth absolutely is not rotating.

The Bible is openly geocentric. Genesis 15:12,17 says, “And when the sun was going down” and “when the sun went down.”

Psalms 104:19 says, “the sun knoweth his going down.”

Psalms 50:1 , “The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.” The earth and the sun are both mentioned together in this verse and it is the sun that is moving in relationship to a stationary non-spinning earth.

The Geocentric Bible website: geocentricbible.com

The Geocentricity website: geocentricity.com

 

[Deavonreye]

Do you believe the sun revolves around the earth, or was this showing why biblical verses cannot be literal?

 

[Free]

Do you believe the sun revolves around the earth, or was this showing why biblical verses cannot be literal?

All it shows is that some verses are not meant to be taken literally. It really comes down to a basic lack in understanding of Scripture.

Today, we still speak of the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. But those are merely words which describe what we see from out vantage point and obviously not what is really happening.

 

[Pard]

I fail to see why the earth cannot be the center of everything and yet we have the set up we have today. You guys are all thinking in very basic and plan ideas of revolving. Perhaps you should think of it not as the revolution point is at the center of the circle, but is at some other point on the circle. In engineering class we use gears that revolve at various points beside the center all the time.

And besides that earth is the center of God's heart.

I don't know what to think on the matter, but I'd be greatly disheartened if I saw a Christian come into this thread and bash another Christian's views on such a trivial matter. If God wanted us to know how everything worked than we would have a MUCH thicker version of the Bible. But it doesn't matter in the least. I'm just saying this because last year a member had very strong views about geocentricity and christian members of this site we full-out assaulting him and it was really disgusting to read.

 

[Free]

I fail to see why the earth cannot be the center of everything and yet we have the set up we have today. You guys are all thinking in very basic and plan ideas of revolving. Perhaps you should think of it not as the revolution point is at the center of the circle, but is at some other point on the circle. In engineering class we use gears that revolve at various points beside the center all the time.

And besides that earth is the center of God's heart.

I don't know what to think on the matter, but I'd be greatly disheartened if I saw a Christian come into this thread and bash another Christian's views on such a trivial matter. If God wanted us to know how everything worked than we would have a MUCH thicker version of the Bible. But it doesn't matter in the least. I'm just saying this because last year a member had very strong views about geocentricity and christian members of this site we full-out assaulting him and it was really disgusting to read.

But is it trivial to make the Bible say something that it doesn't say? Is it trivial to interpret allegory and metaphor as being literal? Is it trivial to say that the Bible goes against all known scientific data about the Earth rotating about the Sun? It matters not to one's salvation but it could make the difference between an unbeliever believing or not.

I happen to take seriously the response by deavonreye.

 

[Pard]

But is it trivial to make the Bible say something that it doesn't say? Is it trivial to interpret allegory and metaphor as being literal? Is it trivial to say that the Bible goes against all known scientific data about the Earth rotating about the Sun? It matters not to one's salvation but it could make the difference between an unbeliever believing or not.

Uh, you are aware the entire Bible (with the exception of the various histories and such) goes against "all known scientific data", right?

The earth was made 5000 years ago and it took seven days...

There was a world wide flood and the water that flooded the earth came from the sky and the ground and it tore the world into the seven continents we know today...

A guy died, but then came back to life three days after he was killed...

That same guy than ascended into heaven...

And let's not forget the biggest "in your face science" that the Bible has:

There is a God!!!

So I'm just going to totally disregard your last bit. Heck, I didn't even scratch the surface of what the Bible says and that science utterly disagrees with!

The former point is something that should be argued over in the Apologetic section, and I'd be more than happy to converse with you, although I am sad to say you and I will probably agree on ever bit of geocentric scripture that there is, so it will not be a very long or heated conversation.

 

[lordkalvan]

These are a few of the many scriptures showing that the Bible is geocentric....

Notice that the scriptures say the moon and the Sun stayed still, it doesn't say the Earth. A heliocentric believer would have to believe that the Earth stop rotating after going 1,038 MPH at the equator. Can you imagine the momentum this would cause? Imagine driving in a car going 120 mph and stopping instantly.

Can you show that these verses are intended to be literal rather than metaphorical? Are all verses in the BIble intended to be taken literally?

We are to take things in context. We know the generations, wind and rivers actually move, so the sun also literally, physically moves being carried daily around the earth by the rotating firmament. The earth absolutely is not rotating.

So if I say that Mahler moves me and that a train moves me and that we know that trains 'actually move', you will take it to mean that both shift me from one spatial location to another?

The Bible is openly geocentric. Genesis 15:12,17 says, “And when the sun was going down†and “when the sun went down.â€

Psalms 104:19 says, “the sun knoweth his going down.â€

Psalms 50:1 , “The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.†The earth and the sun are both mentioned together in this verse and it is the sun that is moving in relationship to a stationary non-spinning earth.

So when meteorologists talk about sunrise and sunset, we are to take it that they are referring literally to a moving Sun in respect of Earth?

 

[lordkalvan]

Uh, you are aware the entire Bible (with the exception of the various histories and such) goes against "all known scientific data", right?

Which should lead us to conclude what and why?

 

[Pard]

Which should lead us to conclude what and why?

I don't know what it will lead you to conclude, but it was meant to debunk Free's point.

 

[AKJVReader]

I thought i would include some pictures of what Geocentricity would look like:

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[AKJVReader]

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Malachi 4:2 says, "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings. "If the Sun doesn't really move (rise), then the Son hasn't risen.

Judges 9:33 says, "...as soon as the sun is up, thou shalt rise early, and set upon the city..." 'Rise' means to physically move. Every jot or letter is important (Matt. 5:18). God is saying that the sun revolves daily around the earth.

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." -- 1 Timothy 6:20-21

Geocentric Bible: geocentricbible.com

Geocentricity: geocentricity.comhttp://www.geocentricity.com

 

[Green Man]

Good morning[smile].
You people[Pard, AKJReader]are.....fascinating:gah.
What are your thoughts about scientific events like the Moon Landings, or Spaceflight in general, Photo's from space or Satellites and their transmissions? All hoaxes concocted by an Atheistic world-wide conspiracy, or what? How do you know what to trust/believe in in regards to science?

 

[rzr]

Just curious. If none of you had obtained the knowledge that science has given you about how our solar system works, would you say the earth moves around the sun or would you say the sun moves around the earth?

I for one probably could not even get as far as of thinking that anything is revolving because the only thing that I see is the sun rising and the sun setting. Well, that is if its not cloudy.

 

[lordkalvan]

I don't know what it will lead you to conclude, but it was meant to debunk Free's point.

If you can't conclude anything from it, how can it 'debunk' anything?

 

[lordkalvan]

I thought i would include some pictures of what Geocentricity would look like:...

Insofar as we can construct similar pictures with Mercury, Mars, Venus, any other planet or even an asteroid at the centre of the Solar System, what exactly are these pictures intended to demonstrate?

 

[lordkalvan]

Malachi 4:2 says, "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings. "If the Sun doesn't really move (rise), then the Son hasn't risen.

Judges 9:33 says, "...as soon as the sun is up, thou shalt rise early, and set upon the city..." 'Rise' means to physically move. Every jot or letter is important (Matt. 5:18). God is saying that the sun revolves daily around the earth.

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." -- 1 Timothy 6:20-21

Geocentric Bible: geocentricbible.com

Geocentricity: geocentricity.comhttp://www.geocentricity.com

So you prefer a pre-scientific understanding of the cosmos to the consequences of several centuries observation and measurement?

 

[lordkalvan]

Just curious. If none of you had obtained the knowledge that science has given you about how our solar system works, would you say the earth moves around the sun or would you say the sun moves around the earth?

I for one probably could not even get as far as of thinking that anything is revolving because the only thing that I see is the sun rising and the sun setting. Well, that is if its not cloudy.

On the basis of observations which you can make yourself, in around 270 BC Aristarchus of Samos proposed a heliocentric model of the Earth-Sun system.

 

[jasoncran]

i guess the earth is flat and square because the kjv uses the term four corners of the earth in revalation.

sometimes we cant take the bible too literally when its possible that hyperbole and or statement such as the sun rises from the east to the west. it appears that way but in reality it doesnt work that way.

i am a creationist but man i try not to deny the observable and obvious! that geocentric chart doesnt have the later two planets and the planetoid on it.

and uh the probe voyager 3 is still working and has exited our system and is on its way to the hypothetical ort cloud to see if that exists or not.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Looks like this thread needs a gnomonist's input. :biglol

 

[Pard]

If you can't conclude anything from it, how can it 'debunk' anything?

Obviously to didn't understand my post. Go read it again, I'll wait...

I said that I have no clue what you will conclude. You're an atheist (or some variant of one) and I will not even pretend to understand you. So I have no idea what YOU will conclude, however for Free he ought to come tot he conclusion that he cannot use the silly argument that "science says geocentricity is wrong" because he than has to also use that to say the entire Bible is wrong, and as a Christian I don't think he could do that.

Green Man,

I'm glad you think I'm fascinating. What I find fascinating is how poor your reading skills must be to conclude what you have about me.

My single point was to point out that people shouldn't just come out and bash KJV here and anyone else that believes in geocentric theory. So maybe you should get glasses, or go back to preschool, or just actually read someone's post before commenting.