[_ Old Earth _] Gideon and the fleece

[keebs]

"Can't prove" is not the same as "can disprove"

Yep, that's what we've been saying all along...

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

You're asking science to predict the perfectly unpredictable. Good job for impossible requests, Bruté, yours takes a hefty portion of the cake...and divides it by ZERO!

It could be a miracle, but then there are two things that you have yet to show to necessarily be true. The fact of the occurance of this 'miracle' and the existence of a divine being by whom this miracle was enacted.

 

[keebs]

Then why does the medical field except them, keebs?

The medical field doesn't except them. You don't take classes on miracles when you are working on your doctorate. Certain doctors may believe in miracles, but the actual science does not take them into consideration.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Yes indeed the medical field excepts miracles. Go do some research. Classes don't teach you everything, Keebs. A simple example of this is how a person learns to breath.

 

[keebs]

Research will show the alot of Doctors and people who work in the medical field believe in miracles, but miracles are not part of the medical field. You are never prescribed a miracle with your backache.

 

[keebs]

And besides, if the majority of people in the medical field excepted witchcraft, that wouldn't make witchcraft right either. Popular opinion does not equate with truth.

 

[Blazin Bones]

You are never prescribed a miracle with your backache.

Well keebs, I kinda exspected that kind of a response from an atheist. Understand how miracles are considered to occur before you make a point like that. If no man can explain them, how could a man give them?

 

[keebs]

I don't believe in miracles, I believe in hope and coincidence. And besides that, when most people use the word miracle they are referring to a wonderful outcome to an event, not to the direct work of God. You have to make the distinction.

 

[Blazin Bones]

I don't believe in miracles, I believe in hope and coincidence. And besides that, when most people use the word miracle they are referring to a wonderful outcome to an event, not to the direct work of God. You have to make the distinction.

You sound more agnostic in this post than atheistic. The event is still unexplained is it not, this event can be described as a miracle, your ust afraid to accept God's power in this situation. That's what it boils down to.

 

[keebs]

The event isn't unexplained, because technically, there is no "event." People label things that don't need to be labeled. And I don't know how you got agnostic out of my post, but...

 

[Blazin Bones]

The event isn't unexplained, because technically, there is no "event." People label things that don't need to be labeled. And I don't know how you got agnostic out of my post, but...

Keebs, scientists are the ones looking to label everything. This event occured whether you like it or not. Just because science can't explain something the way you would like it to, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Science has no proof as to how the universe was made but it's still the isn't it?

 

[keebs]

And you're sure this even happened because...? You can't just say the bible is your proof that it happened, because there are hundreds of other religious miracles being claimed out there for different religions that you wouldn't agree with, and I don't see how one can claim a certain religion to be any more valid than another religion.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Ah, Yes I can claim it based on the Bible because many of the other religous miracles can be reputed and have been proven wrong.

As for one religion being better than another, you only feel this way because you believe in universal truth.

 

[keebs]

Ah, Yes I can claim it based on the Bible because many of the other religous miracles can be reputed and have been proven wrong.

No, you're wrong. Explain to me how you would refute reincarnation?

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Ah, Yes I can claim it based on the Bible because many of the other religous miracles can be reputed and have been proven wrong.

As for one religion being better than another, you only feel this way because you believe in universal truth.

Yes such as the Flood.

You've not actually done anything to show the basic factual superiority for the bible and the Abrahamic religious group over other religions, say Buddhism, Daoism, Shintoism, Teutonic etc.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Ah, Yes I can claim it based on the Bible because many of the other religous miracles can be reputed and have been proven wrong.

No, you're wrong. Explain to me how you would refute reincarnation?

Simply psycotic behavior. It has been suggested that schizophrenia is a large part behind reincarnation. Thinking you are someone you are not is psycotic. Science can tell you that.

 

[keebs]

How is believing you were somebody else any more psychotic than believing in an almighty being with no proof to his existence? Seems like an imaginary friend to me...don't you think you're too old for imaginary friends? Don't judge others schizo when you suffer the same disease...

 

[Blazin Bones]

Maybe keebs, but God's power is evident in this story, which is what you are ignoring. Also most people who believe in reincarnation suffer from the same syptoms of schizophrenia, as most Christians do not.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

"No, VISHNU's power is evident, not Yahweh."
Now, refute that statement logically or admit that you aren't basing your beliefs on something rational, hence, something science cannot say anything about one way or another.

Also most people who believe in reincarnation suffer from the same syptoms of schizophrenia, as most Christians do not.

Wow now you're saying that at least a third of the world's population is schizophrenic, care to back this up with actual proof? Or are you going to say that all japanese people are neurotic and russians have fantasies about their mothers?

 

[bibleberean]

How is believing you were somebody else any more psychotic than believing in an almighty being with no proof to his existence? Seems like an imaginary friend to me...don't you think you're too old for imaginary friends? Don't judge others schizo when you suffer the same disease...

An almighty God is self evident. I think a person has to be in denial not to see that.

I truly do not believe a "true Atheist exists".

I cannot prove this anymore than I can prove that someone wrong who believes their dead grandmother visits them privately in their bedroom on the weekends.