[_ Old Earth _] Gideon and the fleece

[Blazin Bones]

"No, VISHNU's power is evident, not Yahweh."
Now, refute that statement logically or admit that you aren't basing your beliefs on something rational, hence, something science cannot say anything about one way or another.

Also most people who believe in reincarnation suffer from the same syptoms of schizophrenia, as most Christians do not.

Wow now you're saying that at least a third of the world's population is schizophrenic, care to back this up with actual proof? Or are you going to say that all japanese people are neurotic and russians have fantasies about their mothers?

Vorlon, you make your claims with the same proof I have, nothing. How about you prove how God doesn't exist for once? All you atheist can do is stand skeptic before the world the Lord has created. Yes, I do believe a third of the world's population has been deceived by satan into a schizophrenic practice. Just as you have no proof to say they don't I have no proof, that you'll except, to say they do. You will see my proof of God when life comes to an end and you are found lacking by the Father for not excepting the Son's gift of salvation.

 

[keebs]

How about you prove how God doesn't exist for once?

The good thing about us is that we don't need to justify ourselves with proof. You guys are the ones introducing a new concept, you are the ones who need proof. If somebody made the claim that pigs could fly only when humans couldn't observe and that the pigs could leave no evidence of their flight, then the one making the claims needs to back it up with proof, not the one who doesn't make the claims.

Yes, I do believe a third of the world's population has been deceived by satan into a schizophrenic practice.

Hahaha wow...I vaguely remember Blue eyeliner saying that all sickness is the result of sin, maybe you two could get together and right the next book. The truth of the matter is is that only around 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 suffers from schizophrenia (NIMH). So, either you're wrong, or God is just messing with all of the data to give the appearance that you're wrong because he likes to wave his hand just for something to do.

 

[IndianaEnoch]

I use to be an atheist and loved argueing with Christians until I met a God in Jesus that I could not deny. Then I had the greatest proof ever. "If there was no God, then why was I so concerned about proofing there wasn't? I nver tried to proove there was no Buddah.

So that you are here is proof of God

 

[Blazin Bones]

The good thing about us is that we don't need to justify ourselves with proof.

Is it that you don't need to, or that you can't? We are the new concept, that is just wrong. Prove to me that Atheism is older than God and I'll except that.

As for the schizophrenia, just because it is not diagnosed does not mean the people don't have it. If a person supposedly dies of AIDS yet he was never diagnosed with HIV, it does not change the fact that the man had AIDS.

No offense Keebs, lately you've produced a bunch of smoke but nothing that I can look at as fire.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

"No, VISHNU's power is evident, not Yahweh."
Now, refute that statement logically or admit that you aren't basing your beliefs on something rational, hence, something science cannot say anything about one way or another.

Also most people who believe in reincarnation suffer from the same syptoms of schizophrenia, as most Christians do not.

Wow now you're saying that at least a third of the world's population is schizophrenic, care to back this up with actual proof? Or are you going to say that all japanese people are neurotic and russians have fantasies about their mothers?

Vorlon, you make your claims with the same proof I have, nothing. How about you prove how God doesn't exist for once? All you atheist can do is stand skeptic before the world the Lord has created. Yes, I do believe a third of the world's population has been deceived by satan into a schizophrenic practice. Just as you have no proof to say they don't I have no proof, that you'll except, to say they do. You will see my proof of God when life comes to an end and you are found lacking by the Father for not excepting the Son's gift of salvation.

If you're so certain that a third of the world has been decieved by satan, what evidence do you have that you're not one of them? Sophistic yes, but effective in showing the utter absurdity of your claim.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Who's claim is ubsurd? You saying a Christian is deceived by satan, or me saying you and those who believe in false Gods are the deceived.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Both are equally absurd, in my regard, as neither satan nor false gods exist.

But you are claiming something tangibly testable, schizophrenia, is a trait that 1/3 of the world's population has but you base this on the fact that they have different religious beliefs from you. It's a religion, like all religions it's based on faith in something that is not testable. JUST LIKE CHRISTIANITY.

 

[keebs]

Prove to me that Atheism is older than God and I'll except that.

I didn't say atheism was older than God...I said that you guys are the ones with the new concept; meaning that our beliefs and systems work without the concept, while yours doesn't.

 

[bibleberean]

Prove to me that Atheism is older than God and I'll except that.

I didn't say atheism was older than God...I said that you guys are the ones with the new concept; meaning that our beliefs and systems work without the concept, while yours doesn't.

Atheism doesn't work at all.

We came from nothing and are going nowhere?

That works? :

Adam and Eve. They were believers.

Our belief system makes perfect sense.

Atheism according to the bible is the faith of fools.

Psalms 14:1 <<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

"God said it, I believe it, that settles it."

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

BB once again proves he really has nothing to say, and is going to say it every time an atheist opens his/her mouth.
Was there an argument in that post? No.
Was there content to that post? No.


BB, unless you can actually argue the vague strawmen that you posit are our beliefs, you'll not progress at all as a debator.

 

[bibleberean]

Once again... I gave a clear rebuke to those who insist that belief in an itelligent Creator cannot explain life by showing the absurdity of those who think that mindless chance can produce an orderly Universe that obviously took intelligence to exist 8-)

An Athiest has limited potential.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[Diencephalon]

Bibleberean: Why do you insist that order cannot come from disorder outside a closed system?

 

[Highlander]

I think before you discuss schizophenia you need to find some information. One third of the world suffers from Schizophrenia? I don't think so and I've been in and around the field of Mental Health since 1968. In addition to that, how do you say that people who suffer from schizophrenia believe in reincarnation? How do you know that? Which form of schizophrenia patients believe in reincarnation? I think you're talking about a subject you know nothing about and trying to tie it to a belief system that you disparage. Please, intellectual honesty please.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Prove to me that Atheism is older than God and I'll except that.

I didn't say atheism was older than God...I said that you guys are the ones with the new concept; meaning that our beliefs and systems work without the concept, while yours doesn't.

No, you just agreed that atheism is a newer belief, there for it is the new concept. It's caled denial.

 

[keebs]

No, you just agreed that atheism is a newer belief

Where?

 

[bibleberean]

Bibleberean: Why do you insist that order cannot come from disorder outside a closed system?

why do you insist it can?

 

[keebs]

Because it happens all of the time...what do you think is happening when your refrigerator compresses air?

 

[bibleberean]

Because it happens all of the time...what do you think is happening when your refrigerator compresses air?

What do you think is happening?

Is that order out of chaos?

 

[keebs]

Yep, because you're lowering the amount of possible states the particles could be in, therefore you're lowering the entropy, and since entropy is a measure of disorder, you are lowering the disorder

 

[Blazin Bones]

It's not order out of chaos, it an intellegenty person making the fridge. Then you have a man made device that eventually wears down into a big box that does nothing. Come on Keebs.