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Should The Private Ownership of Firecrackers Be Allowed?


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States generally require drivers to maintain their vehicle in a safe condition, but they let people figure out for themselves how to do so.
which they often don't. I worked on a lot and have an eye for it. brake lights out, turn signals lenses hanging from car.head light in the like. I prefer that they would and I wished the state safety program would work but it simply is a money maker and few safety issues are fixed.

I also did safety inspections for the city when I worked fleet for the dot level stuff and also lighter vehicles. we had to because of self insurance and insurance. I fix things my self and will check lights often, or replace it when I notice. but that's me.

there is no inspection here in my state to sell the car by the state to insure it is safe though most dealers will but I have seen shady stuff. not common but I have seen it.

yet you are saying that the average car owner who may not even know that that clunk when he turns is a ball joint about to separate is ok, but cant figure out that the use of a simple firecracker ?

my mom, a vet friend had their spindle separate from the lower control arm while turning, neither were hurt, another knew that his u joint might fall apart and it did as I warned him. it did so while he was doing 55 and he is lucky he is alive. yet because they must use these safety is ok to ignore,no testing by law to see if they are fixing these things? yet they must be licensed to even own a simple firecracker and also other fireworks?
one is more likely to die in a car wreck then the less time one has a fire work display in your yard. we here often will have them going off in decemember and july and parts of January. most of the other months these aren't being fired off. I know as I hear them all the time in these months, drives me crazy if they are the right type.
 
yet they must be licensed to even own a simple firecracker and also other fireworks?

Here's the thing Jason. If you make cars so ridiculously expensive that people can't afford them, GDP goes to 50%, and millions starve. Operator error accounts for the vast majority of car situations, not maintenance. Safety would require everyone to be driven around in a chauffeured limousine, with the chauffeur having taken extensive training before being licensed. The car would be inspected daily by a licensed mechanic. 90% of the population could not afford this.

Now compare that to requiring a test before buying M-80s. Nothing. No one starves. GDP is unaffected. You are comparing apples to oranges.

The motive for autonomous cars is primarily to eliminate operator error. Autonomous cars that can monitor their mechanical parts, and report that it needs maintenance. Refusing to start till it was fixed, and telling authorities if it was tampered with. Robot cars because most people can't afford a licensed chauffeur with extensive training, or a mechanic to check their car daily before they drive. This is the future. Robots transporting people.
 
Here's the thing Jason. If you make cars so ridiculously expensive that people can't afford them, GDP goes to 50%, and millions starve. Operator error accounts for the vast majority of car situations, not maintenance. Safety would require everyone to be driven around in a chauffeured limousine, with the chauffeur having taken extensive training before being licensed. The car would be inspected daily by a licensed mechanic. 90% of the population could not afford this.

Now compare that to requiring a test before buying M-80s. Nothing. No one starves. GDP is unaffected. You are comparing apples to oranges.

The motive for autonomous cars is primarily to eliminate operator error. Autonomous cars that can monitor their mechanical parts, and report that it needs maintenance. Refusing to start till it was fixed, and telling authorities if it was tampered with. Robot cars because most people can't afford a licensed chauffeur with extensive training, or a mechanic to check their car daily before they drive. This is the future. Robots transporting people.
the robots thing isn't going to happen any time soon,

operator error? that includes maintance. its your responsibility to ensure it safe.

m 80s are not firecrackers. nothing of my post suggest a cdl level. in fact that is not that hard at all. I have a license in that and they take you ON the road to test. my state for a class e license doesn't. you drive in a parking lot and don't even parrelel park, I took my class e test that way. I had more training by the army then anything and all they did is a written test, eye exam and driver test for a good distance. that isnt that hard to ask.

on car prices? seriously the used truck I have for a Tacoma brand new would have cost more then the home my mom bought in 1993.

on that note of automony do you really think we should have a robot only be able to operate the car? imagine if the airline pilot wasn't able to glide the aircraft down into the Hudson because he had no training or that the robots couldn't. with a car, as its been shown for now to many variables for that to happen.

remember that problem with sudden acceleration with the Toyotas and death? when electronics go they need to have a means to be overridden and the thing safetly operated. I don't trust a computer like that. monica's dodge has no throttle linkage. if the gas pedle dies she cant give it gas or the throttle body. she will hopefully never face that but I have seen that with garbage trucks in the middle of the road simple idle and thankfully no one got hurt.

asking knowledge of what to do with inclement weather is too much and also to demonstate it? there is a proposed test which was a dl test years ago to have courses like that. im not talking about stunt driving.

simply being put in less then perfect driving conditions and controlling the vehicle and or avoiding an accident.

I also said I prefer that one does the maintance I never said I want it.

we are already there with safety as these are required and cost you MORE to have in.
sensors for tire pressure and to include mandatory resetting them and retraining the module to see them.
back up cameras because people simply cant look and be alert or use their mirrors. I do both and not use a back up camera.
radar to avoid cars while passing.

a sensor in a tire to keep it working isn't cheap. you pay for that.like I said I have an eye.i notice my truck and see both mine and my work truck when I have issues. I may have a front end issue as I have play in the steering and its probably a idler arm or linkage. to big to be the worm gear adjustment.
 
http://abc13.com/news/14-year-old-electrocuted-when-phone-drops-in-bathtub/2204624/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.305.html

read the regs, I see this while driving and got nearly ran over while walking back east in my walking cycle.

I can post the army regs on the ban of using a cell phone while running, walking and driving. its been around a lot longer then any state law.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...alking-law-takes-effect-targeting-phone-users






I'm sorry for responding to this so late, but I had to eat supper and go to Aqua Zumba. Anyways, let me rephrase this shall I? What I meant to say is that a cellphone alone won't kill you but a firework will once its set off. Does that make more sense?
 
from themselves?

trust me I can go on and one on cell phone use and fires from using them while pumping gas? see where this is gonna go? where does it stop? im known for being safe, while im not always but that is my reputation.






Not always from themselves. Fireworks have been known to kill other people besides the one that is setting them off as well. Besides that, there are a lot of other laws in effect that protect people from other people as well.
 
I'm sorry for responding to this so late, but I had to eat supper and go to Aqua Zumba. Anyways, let me rephrase this shall I? What I meant to say is that a cellphone alone won't kill you but a firework will once its set off. Does that make more sense?
uhm a firework used improperly , improper use of a cell phone while driving can be very deadly. its worse then drinking while driving.
 
uhm a firework used improperly , improper use of a cell phone while driving can be very deadly. its worse then drinking while driving.





Yes but if people use their heads and use the cellphones properly then there's no issue. So sort of see your original point there. At least I do believe that you're getting the issue that I'm speaking of.
 
I get the fireworks issue. my state has outright banned any fireworks because of fires, from even a simple sparkler. during drought is very dry and grass will ignite easily and set it off. years ago a cigarette caught the woods near me and nearly forced the evacuation of the homes by where I live now. the home I own wasn't built then,







Again, I'm not speaking of banning it altogether, I'm just suggesting certain precautions. After all, nobody should be handling a gun if they don't know how to use it properly.
 
Not always from themselves. Fireworks have been known to kill other people besides the one that is setting them off as well. Besides that, there are a lot of other laws in effect that protect people from other people as well.
post a death from a fire cracker. seriously injury I have seen but not a death. unless you layed in those things while they were lit and a bunch went off at the same time.

shoot I can go into sympathetic explosions and how ammo in you house can also explode while its not far from an explosion outside. I have chucked fire works at people's leg and aimed that low so that they could avoid it. im not saying I would do that again but your op said firecrackers not bottle rockets, and roman candles and larger.

im being specific for a reason as I said firecrackers and nothing bigger. while the other things are another topic I will address.
 
Yes but if people use their heads and use the cellphones properly then there's no issue. So sort of see your original point there. At least I do believe that you're getting the issue that I'm speaking of.
people will always do stupid stuff. license to drink? because people drink and drive?

see where im going?

dui laws aren't that effective not that I want to repeal that but there is good reason for the lower bac level limit called buzzed driving. seriously you are that inept you must ask the goverment to require a class on firecrackers?

https://www.knappandroberts.com/articles/is-buzzed-driving-really-drunk-driving/

one or two beers is all that would take for even me.
 
Plenty of states will pull your tag for unsafe vehicles.these actually are inefficient as most shops are bribed to pass.I know monica not having the money would bribe her examiner to allow it to be drivable.

In 2000 remember the Ford Explorer tire issue? It's why we have that idiot safety tire pressure system.the tires were good thr drivers drive with low pressure.

I check tires,people often dont understand the basics, I can go there about my state dmv testing.I learned more in the 88m school then any local driver course.

I get the licensing but given what I see I can see the need for a certified shop,despite I'm against it.a certificate on the wall doesn't mean you know how to fix things.
note the last line. im not implying that any law that banns shade tree mechanics. but well given electric hybrids, that might change. large batteries and ignorance don't go hand in hand. I wouldn't change one until I educated myself first. 72 volts with some large amps to go with it.
 
people will always do stupid stuff. license to drink? because people drink and drive?

see where im going?

dui laws aren't that effective not that I want to repeal that but there is good reason for the lower bac level limit called buzzed driving. seriously you are that inept you must ask the goverment to require a class on firecrackers?

https://www.knappandroberts.com/articles/is-buzzed-driving-really-drunk-driving/

one or two beers is all that would take for even me.





Well there's always rules in place. I mean you have to be twenty-one or older to drink and you must show proof of your age with either your identification card or driver's license.










commercial firework isn't a firecracker.

that requires a mortar and projectile to be launched.

I said firecracker not this. I know of that deaths from that stuff, bottle rockets and so forth.







Oops sorry, I thought that firecrackers and fireworks were exactly the same thing. This wasn't a private firecracker incident, but eight people were still killed.


https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...t-in-odisha/story-0U2tB72RQSaErpAVQ0FoqL.html
 
Again, you were a solider. Would you trust anybody with a gun unless they were properly trained for it?
most gun owners seek out those that know how to shoot and learn.

training for a firecracker? licensing for a non commercial firework? roman candles are old. they weren't originally considered like you say. shoot my uncle use to have tons of them and launch a box or three from his house and I held a few . the back of them irc would allow that. im not suggesting that is wise now given the way they are now. the roman candles I remember you could hold them and launch them and they didn't go far.
 
most gun owners seek out those that know how to shoot and learn.

training for a firecracker? licensing for a non commercial firework? roman candles are old. they weren't originally considered like you say. shoot my uncle use to have tons of them and launch a box or three from his house and I held a few . the back of them irc would allow that. im not suggesting that is wise now given the way they are now. the roman candles I remember you could hold them and launch them and they didn't go far.






Never mind, I think our problem is that we're failing to see the other one's point of view. :rolleyes Ah well, I got to go do the news anyway. :shrug
 
I like my back up camera. It has a pretty picture, and does make it a bit easier to monitor my surroundings.
and when if fails do you then stop driving?
I use them if I have very limited vision. I learnd to rely on my mirrors as large semis do all that crazy turning and backing with no back camera in the ones I used and still even if they did the driver still has to know how to use his mirror.

I cant easily turn my neck. so I use my mirrors to make up the difference, in my Tacoma and work truck the spot mirrors on the door mirrors will cover the blind spot well enough. and the rear view mirror will get the back well enough. I get the limited visibility but the camera on a truck like I use for paper routes and reading meters with all those windows is a bit much. my work truck has a back up alarm.
 
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