God cannot err

[farouk]

He changed the way he was dealing with them.

Now can God err? Mess up? make a mistake in judgement?

P31Woman:

You are right. It really won't do for anyone to suggest that because God showed mercy, He can supposedly be blamed for being indecisive or in error.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

"God cannot err.

The Bible is the word of God.

Therefore the Bible cannot err."

quote Norman Geisler’s

Doctrine of inerrancy.

"God cannot err."

This can absolutely be true, and you can still end up with a Bible that contains errors. Don't get mad at me. I didn't invent "cause and effect". It just happens.

A person can receive God's Word in written form, and that person can actually add to it or subtract from it. Then, that person could present his/her revised version to another person, and lie, saying that what he/she has handed to that person is God's Original Word. Then, it is possible that the person receiving the false version believes that it is the Original Version. Don't get mad at me. I can do nothing to stop this from happening.



Here is one example that illustrates how this has, without a doubt, happened. There are 3 ways of considering the authenticity of Mark 16:

1) Mark 16:1-8 is the original, unadulterated, and complete sixteenth chapter of Mark as given by God. Mark 16:1-20 is not.

2) Mark 16:1-20 is the original, unadulterated, and complete sixteenth chapter of Mark as given by God. Mark 16:1-8 is not.

3) Neither are the Word of God.



It happens.

Believe it.

 

[farouk]

"God cannot err."

This can absolutely be true, and you can still end up with a Bible that contains errors. Don't get mad at me. I didn't invent "cause and effect". It just happens.

A person can receive God's Word in written form, and that person can actually add to it or subtract from it. Then, that person could present his/her revised version to another person, and lie, saying that what he/she has handed to that person is God's Original Word. Then, it is possible that the person receiving the false version believes that it is the Original Version. Don't get mad at me. I can do nothing to stop this from happening.



Here is one example that illustrates how this has, without a doubt, happened. There are 3 ways of considering the authenticity of Mark 16:

1) Mark 16:1-8 is the original, unadulterated, and complete sixteenth chapter of Mark as given by God. Mark 16:1-20 is not.

2) Mark 16:1-20 is the original, unadulterated, and complete sixteenth chapter of Mark as given by God. Mark 16:1-8 is not.

3) Neither are the Word of God.



It happens.

Believe it.

I think this is to say that God can't preserve His Word; which renders inerrancy a moot point.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

I think this is to say that God can't preserve His Word; which renders inerrancy a moot point.

Or, one might argue that God can preserve His Word, but He allows free will, which could very well result in the existence of errant "scriptures".

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Gods' ways are not our ways.

If we ever think He made a mistake, it's because we don't understand.

 

[WIP]

I don't think God has ever changed his mind or made an err in judgement but he has allowed himself to be swayed in conversation. At Sodom & Gomorrah for instance.

I figure it's possible that rather allowing himself to be swayed, since he already knows the future, perhaps he is guiding us toward a certain end. I have done this with my children. When they would come to me with homework questions, rather than just give them the answer, which I could easily do, I would ask them pointed questions to lead them toward finding the answer for themselves. This was particularly useful when it came to math questions because it taught them how to think outside the box. Maybe that's what God does with us on occasion? We don't know the answer but He does but rather than just feed us with knowledge and information he leads us to figure it out ourselves.

 

[Grazer]

He changed the way he was dealing with them.

Now can God err? Mess up? make a mistake in judgement?

If you count regret as sign of the above then I'm leaning to yes;

Genesis 6:6 NIV

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

The above suggests to me that God feels he may have made a mistake. Not saying that's what it means, just putting it out there.

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[Grazer]

I understand your explanation and it makes sense but, for the sake of argument, if God did make a mistake I don't see how that invalidates what Christ did on the cross.

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[Grazer]

In defense of my God, Deuteronomy 32 1:-6

1 Listen, you heavens, and I will speak;
hear, you earth, the words of my mouth.
2 Let my teaching fall like rain
and my words descend like dew,
like showers on new grass,
like abundant rain on tender plants.
3 I will proclaim the name of the Lord.
Oh, praise the greatness of our God!
4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.
5 They are corrupt and not his children;
to their shame they are a warped and crooked generation.
6 Is this the way you repay the Lord,
you foolish and unwise people?
Is he not your Father, your Creator,[a]
who made you and formed you?/ (NIV)

Not sure how that answers the question but great passage none the less

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[Grazer]

It answers it very much to the point, and goes on to admonish us to not doubt it, lest we find ourselves to be corrupt.

But that wasn't my question. My question was even if God did make a mistake, how does that nullify what Christ did on the cross?

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[Grazer]

Because that would open the door to doubt of the entire Bible. Scriptures says our God is perfect in all his ways and does no wrong. If this is a lie, then the rest of the Bible is a lie, including what Christ did on the cross or that he rose from the dead. I offer you John 20:27

27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.â€/ (NIV)

I don't see how it would since the evidence of the resurrection and the historical accuracy is supported by external sources. I think this has less to do with the bible and more to do with your perceptions of God and what your faith is based on. My faith can handle such questions and the exploration of what if without it cracking. By your own admission you're a young Christian so it might not. That's not a put down or criticism, wasn't too long ago I was in your position but I'm able to look at the question has God erred without having to undermine my faith. Plus its just a theoretical question.

As for the Thomas story, love that story, writing a book on it and leading a house group on it next week My notes are around here on the site.

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[reba]

We humans want so badly to bring God down to human level ....What ever God does is Godly . He can not be/do anything less the be Godly.

 

[Grazer]

Me being a young Christian is irrelevant. If the Spirit is leading me into a growth of knowledge in Christ, what other more mature Christians say would click for me for there is one Spirit and one body. Example: Agape's post to me this morning in my Baptism of the Holy Spirit thread. Click click. Understand and edification through the truth of the one Spirit. What you are proposing (that God could even possibly make a mistake) is instantly rejected by my Spirit. It in now way lines up with scripture and the Spirit does not make mistakes or lead people down different paths. Our God is in-errant, perfect in ALL His ways and has never been wrong. This is totally backed up by scripture.

1 Corinthians 12:13
Ephesians 4:4–6

But he clearly does lead people down different paths, we haven't come to Christ via the same path and our journey with him is not on the same path. Everyones walk with God is different. Your spirit rejects even exploring the option, mine doesn't. We are not on the same path. You believe in an historical Adam, I'm not so sure on the matter.

Again you're misunderstanding the question. I'm not saying he has erred, I'm merely exploring what difference it makes to the gospel as you claim it destroys it, I don't see how it does. I'm also looking at scripture to see if there is anywhere where it shows God has erred. I raised the regret one, you provided 1 possible answer but it still ignores the question; what difference does it actually make? To me; none. To you; everything. Another indication of the very different paths we're on.

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[farouk]

Well, in the New Testament, the Person of Christ is compared with the historical Adam: 'As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive' (1 Corinthians 15.22).

 

[samfaps]

Do you believe God can err?

God cannot err, that's not an issue
the issue lies in the statement that the Bible is (in its totality) the word of God.
that is a statement of faith.and it is very difficult to arrive at that conclusion from a deductive argument.

 

[farouk]

God cannot err, that's not an issue
the issue lies in the statement that the Bible is (in its totality) the word of God.
that is a statement of faith.and it is very difficult to arrive at that conclusion from a deductive argument.

The New Testament says that in the Lord Jesus, 'all the promises of God in Him are yea and in Him Amen, to the glory of God by us' (2 Corinthians 1.20).

But if we come with doubt about what He has revealed when He has spoken, this is regrettable.

 

[samfaps]

I think this is to say that God can't preserve His Word; which renders inerrancy a moot point.

Well it might imply that, but given Human free will, God won't intervene in the way we would like him to because it would cancel free will (what's the point of free will if your choices don't determine the consequences)

 

[farouk]

Well it might imply that, but given Human free will, God won't intervene in the way we would like him to because it would cancel free will (what's the point of free will if your choices don't determine the consequences)

...and why should God accept anyone who rejects what He says? but what about your sins and mine? we need the Savior.

 

[Grazer]

Luke 4:12 (NIV)
Matthew 4:7 (NIV)
John 14:6-11 (NIV)

My belief is totally backed up by scripture. Yours is not. I've said my piece, and will bow out gracefully, lest the thread degenerate. I stand down and let other Christians respond. I agree with Farouk & reba!

And people say I need to learn humility.

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[farouk]

And people say I need to learn humility.

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G: We need to go to Philippians 2.8 re. humility.