GOD HAS MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES

[gordon777]

Yes, and the image of God is Christ, not Adam.
We are being conformed into the image of Christ not Adam.
Thus, when God said "let us make man in our image" He was speaking of Christ.

Man was made in the likeness of God, the first man of the earth.

The second man is the Lord from heaven.

Some are never conformed into the image of the Son of God, who is the firstborn, born after the Spirit, the same as Adam, ( made in the image of God) was born after the flesh.


Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[gordon777]

Paul didn't 'begotten you.'
God did. You are adopted but not a true son of Israel as Abraham and his sons. You are Gentile and as such have no covenant with God except through the blessings of Abraham (but not the covenant itself) and you are as all Gentile Christians are - ADOPTED.

Speaking to the Jews Paul showed them through the power of the Holy Spirit and their Scripture that Jesus was their Christ and in this Paul "begotten" them.

Yes, Paul had begotten whoever he could show by the power of the Spirit, that Jesus was the Christ, and the Word is living, and is Spirit, but the word the Jews had, was not living to them. ( the Gentiles have the new living way, the Jews have the old way.)

All are adopted, or have no Spirit to cry with and have no redemption of their body.



Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[gordon777]

I prefer the Scripture to your erroneous beliefs:

Every man who has their father the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning, who is the father of lies, ( lying spirit)

That spirit now works in the children of disobedience. In the time past we had that same conversation, in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh.



1 Kings 22:22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:14.

That's what happen to the woman in the Garden of Eden. She was drawn away by HER OWN lust.

She cant beguile herself, the spirit of the devil does that. ( that spirit was made to be the most subtil, Eve was not)


Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The humanity of Christ was tested and this was done by Christ thinking all those things He could do as the Son of God, such as making stones into bread and being knowledgeable of all the kingdoms of the world and of having angels come to "bear Him up" if He were to throw Himself off the roof of the Temple.

The tempter is man himself.

The evil spirit came to him, instead of doing as the good angels did, to minister and help, to make His time even worse, by showing the possibility of no longer suffering. ( Christ is the good Holy Spirit, and answers against the spirit of error. ( we cant have the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error in the same place.


1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[gordon777]

The blessing flow to Gentiles. But the covenant is made to Abraham and His descendants. Are you a physical descendant of Abraham as is Isaac and Jacob and his grandchildren? Because the Abrahamic Covenant is made to Abraham and to HIS descendants, thus it is a family covenant.
Gentiles are grafted in. But the Covenant is made to Abraham.
Israel is not grafted into the Covenant. Abraham IS the covenant and Gentiles receive the blessings that flow from that covenant. But God made no covenant with Gentiles.

We are all made of one blood, we all have a first father together.


Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;



Did the covenant go fully to Abraham, seeing as he was to become a father of many nations, but that was after he died ?

No, that is why the covenant was never fully to Abraham, because the seed had to come from heaven.


All are adopted by the seed that comes from heaven, none are adopted into Abraham or Israel after the flesh, nor could be.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[gordon777]

Then this would include you.
But I have Scripture and the Holy Spirit who gives me the understanding I have of the Word of God. If you are not at my level, then just put what I say in the back burner of your mind and maybe God will open your eyes.
You are bought with a price and God owns you. He owns your mind and it is He who determines how much understanding He allows you to have.

The Mosaic Law came AFTER they left Egypt, NOT before.

The children of the promise are the twelve tribes of Israel.

You show almost no scripture and put away many.

The law came for Israel of the flesh, but faith had gone only to Abraham while not circumcised, before the sign of the seal of circumcision was given. ( Israel of the flesh never received that sign, it was given to Abraham who had faith, unlike unfaithful Israel after the flesh, who needed to be under a curse of a law.)

The children of promise are the Gentiles, through Christ, only those of the flesh speak through the flesh, but those of the Spirit speak through the Spirit, and we no longer know Christ through the flesh. ( but Israel, always was and therefore remains after the flesh.)

The promise was made to Christ, to the seed, it cant be to Abraham, as all those without us ( Gentiles) are not made perfect. ( perfect in Christ, in the Spirit, not in the flesh, as Israel is.)

Now you are forced to see the right way around. Nothing is given by Abraham, all is given by Christ. All have to be children of God by faith of Jesus Christ. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CHRISTS, are ABRAHAMS SEED, likewise, ALL THOSE OF ISRAEL THAT ARE NOT CHRISTS, are NOT THE SEED OF ABRAHAM.

The Gentiles are fellow heirs, not beneath Israel of the flesh, that would be silly, ridicules, they can be fellow heirs only through Christ. ( the Spirit.)


Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:


Acts 26:7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

They attained it by being grafted in. But God made no covenant with Gentiles. He made Covenant with Abraham the Hebrew.

You cant graft more flesh into flesh and end up with Spirit.

The Gentiles through the Spirit are grafted into the Spirit, into Jesus Christ.

The covenant is with the blood of the Son.


Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

And they are identified as Israel.

Notice the title "Christ" is before the human name "Jesus."
And what does Christ mean? It comes from the Hebrew word "Messias", and it means "anointing." Thus, Gentiles are one with Israel in spiritual matters, but the covenant was made with Abraham the person.

Christ is before all, because all humans come afterwards.

The Gentiles are one with Christ in Spirit, not with Israel, as Israel is after the flesh.

The covenant was made with Abraham only because of Christ, or Abraham could receive no covenant.

It says clearly that "to Abraham and His physical seed were the promises (covenant) made" but you ignore this and try to push that Gentiles have covenant with God when God made no covenant with Gentiles. Gentiles are grafted in after the fact.

The promises were made with Abraham, but Abraham is flesh, not Spirit. All look to Christ, nobody looks to Abraham, in Christ is life, in Abraham is not.

Again, the title "Christ" comes before the human name "Jesus" meaning in spiritual matters Jews and Gentiles are one, but the Covenant was with a physical man and to his descendants.
Are you a Jew? Can you trace your line back to Abraham as many in Israel are able to do?

The covenant was made entirely only with us who can receive them, and Israel after the flesh does not receive.

I can trace my line to Christ, you can trace yours to Abraham.

 

[gordon777]

Paul says GOD has blinded their eyes. And He's done this for at least two reasons.
The bring in Gentiles and graft them into the Olive Tree, which is Israel, and to make Israel jealous so that they return to their Lord and Messiah.
And they will. God knows how to woo back His people.

Yup.

Israel is blinded because they have no faith, but the remnant always have faith, they cant be blinded, that is why it is blindness in part happened to Israel.



Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[gordon777]

And the serpent is not Lucifer. And the angels that sinned are all locked up in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.
AWAITING JUDGMENT not loose in the world. And NOWHERE in Scripture is there an angel named "Satan."

Again:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:14.

Grammatically, you cannot make an adjective "devil" into a noun.

And the word "good" means "to specification" or "good enough" as in "well done, pleased."

The devil, satan, deceives the whole world, his angels with him deceive, that is why if an angel preaches any other gospel they are accursed.

The devil ( the devil called satan) also himself is transformed into an angel of light, and at this same time it is no great marvel if his ministers ( his angels) are also transformed as the ministers of righteousness ( the devil/satan and his angels deceiving the whole world right now)



2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[gordon777]

Let's test that:

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Gen. 17:2.

Nope. You're in error again.

The children of the promise (Abraham) are counted for seed and this identifies Israel.

Again, the title "Christ" (anointing) relates to spiritual matters. But the covenant of God was made to Abraham the person.
Gentiles are grafted into the Olive tree which is Israel after the fact. 4000 years AFTER THE FACT.

Yes lets test you too.


The covenant goes to Abraham, for Abraham to be the father of many nations. ( not for Israel.)

God also changes the name of Abraham, from Abram, as from there on he was made a father of many nations.

The covenant is established between God and Abraham, ( because of Abraham being made the father of many nations) and between God and Abrahams seed. ( Christ, who is the head of the heathen.)

The covenant that Abraham was given and would keep, every seed after him, ( included Christ) is every man child would be circumcised.




Genesis 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Psalm 18:43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.




Psalms 18 shows Christ would be the head of the heathen. ( the covenant given to Abraham, was because of being made a father to many nations. Not Israel therefore.)

Abraham was not justified by works, ( by the law Israel has in the flesh) Abraham believed the promises God had given.

Even as David, ( who spoke in Psalm 18 about Christ) described the man is blessed when their iniquities will be forgiven, when their sins are covered up.



Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.



The blessedness came when faith was recognised with Abraham, ( made to be the father of many nations) when in uncircumcision.

Abraham received the sign of the seal of circumcision, of the faith he had being yet UNCIRCUMCISED. ( again for Abraham to be the father of many nations/of ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE, not circumcised, to impute righteousness unto them also.

Abraham is the FATHER OF CIRCUMCISION, to THOSE WHO WALK IN THE STEPS OF OUR FATHER ABRAHAM WHICH HE HAD BEING UNCIRCUMCISED.

The promise was for Abraham to be HEIR TO THE WORLD, which was to his seed, ( Christ) through the righteousness of faith. ( never was to Israel who are of the law)

Israel, ( which is of the law) are NOT HEIRS, as that makes faith void, and makes the PROMISE OF NO EFFECT.



Romans 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

 

[Randy]

They receive the blessings of Abraham.
God made no covenant with Gentiles.
Gentiles are grafted in after the fact.
But God still has covenant with the people of the children of Israel who are descendants of Abraham. A family covenant.
Why do you resist this fact?
Many Gentiles do even if they are Christian. They just hate God's people which in fact is really a hatred for God through whom Israel has covenant.

How does GOD write the covenant "JESUS" referred to on the heart of the people? Is it not the same Spirit for Jew and gentile male and female?
That is the only covenant that exists today, (New and not the same as the first), and fulfills Gods promise to Abraham in regard to the inheritance promised. As well as through His seed all nations will be blessed.

If the offspring of the first believers remained in the faith its most likely they are known as Christians in this day and age as Jesus is called Christ.

Hebrews clearly defines what God brought about through His Christ as that new covenant.

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

 

[gordon777]

How does GOD write the covenant "JESUS" referred to on the heart of the people? Is it not the same Spirit for Jew and gentile male and female?
That is the only covenant that exists today, (New and not the same as the first), and fulfills Gods promise to Abraham in regard to the inheritance promised. As well as through His seed all nations will be blessed.

If the offspring of the first believers remained in the faith its most likely they are known as Christians in this day and age as Jesus is called Christ.

Hebrews clearly defines what God brought about through His Christ as that new covenant.

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

First we would need to know what Spirit.


The Spirit of the fear of the Lord.

With righteousness judging the poor, reproving with equity for the meek of the earth. Smiting he earth and with the breath of His lips slaying the wicked.

God makes the everlasting covenant, putting HIs fear into the hearts, to not depart from Him.


Isaiah 11:And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.


Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.




The new covenant is different from the first, because they did not continue in HIs covenant.




Christ obtained a more excellent ministry, to be the mediator of a better covenant, established upon better promises. ( all in Christ.)

It was because of the first covenant having fault, that a second was sought.

God found fault, after He had took them by the hand and led them, ( out of the land of Egypt) and then made covenant with them, which they did not continue in, and God then could not regard them.

The covenant where God can regard them, is putting the law in the heart, ( writing the law of the Spirit of the fear of the Lord in, to not depart from Him, and to be of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord.) then God becomes their God, then the3y become HIs people. ( until that they are not HIs people, never where.)


Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Randy]

First we would need to know what Spirit.


The Spirit of the fear of the Lord.

With righteousness judging the poor, reproving with equity for the meek of the earth. Smiting he earth and with the breath of His lips slaying the wicked.

God makes the everlasting covenant, putting HIs fear into the hearts, to not depart from Him.


Isaiah 11:And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.


Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.




The new covenant is different from the first, because they did not continue in HIs covenant.




Christ obtained a more excellent ministry, to be the mediator of a better covenant, established upon better promises. ( all in Christ.)

It was because of the first covenant having fault, that a second was sought.

God found fault, after He had took them by the hand and led them, ( out of the land of Egypt) and then made covenant with them, which they did not continue in, and God then could not regard them.

The covenant where God can regard them, is putting the law in the heart, ( writing the law of the Spirit of the fear of the Lord in, to not depart from Him, and to be of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord.) then God becomes their God, then the3y become HIs people. ( until that they are not HIs people, never where.)


Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Its all about belief in the Son. He is the mediator of that new covenant in His blood. Those who believe God and serve in the new way of the Spirit not in the old way of the written code by dying to that which had once bound them that is the law.

 

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Man was made in the likeness of God, the first man of the earth.

The second man is the Lord from heaven.

Some are never conformed into the image of the Son of God, who is the firstborn, born after the Spirit, the same as Adam, ( made in the image of God) was born after the flesh.


Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

You begin man was made in the likeness (image) of God and then you jump to us believers being conformed into the image of the Son of God.
If Adam is also the image of God why are we not being conformed into the image of Adam?

 

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Yes, Paul had begotten whoever he could show by the power of the Spirit, that Jesus was the Christ, and the Word is living, and is Spirit, but the word the Jews had, was not living to them. ( the Gentiles have the new living way, the Jews have the old way.)

All are adopted, or have no Spirit to cry with and have no redemption of their body.



Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Jesus said God was the God of the living and you say Jews who were the holders and protectors of the oracles of God (Word of God) are dead Scriptures.
Don't you know the Word of God is living and breathing and that we would have no living New Testament if the Old Testament it was connected to was dead.
You need to rethink this.

 

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Every man who has their father the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning, who is the father of lies, ( lying spirit)

That spirit now works in the children of disobedience. In the time past we had that same conversation, in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh.



1 Kings 22:22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.





She cant beguile herself, the spirit of the devil does that. ( that spirit was made to be the most subtil, Eve was not)


Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.



The evil spirit came to him, instead of doing as the good angels did, to minister and help, to make His time even worse, by showing the possibility of no longer suffering. ( Christ is the good Holy Spirit, and answers against the spirit of error. ( we cant have the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error in the same place.


1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

In nature a man can have only have one father. So it is in the spiritual. A man can have only one father. But you say:

"Every man who has their father the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning, who is the father of lies, ( lying spirit)
That spirit now works in the children of disobedience. In the time past we had that same conversation, in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh."

Since Paul is speaking about all Gentiles who have now become saved, according to your post no one can be saved because they all had the devil as their father.
You need to spend some time rethinking this through.
Your beliefs are not consistent.
And if not consistent then they would be untruths and you say anyone who speaks lies has the devil as their father.
So...

 

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We are all made of one blood, we all have a first father together.


Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;



Did the covenant go fully to Abraham, seeing as he was to become a father of many nations, but that was after he died ?

No, that is why the covenant was never fully to Abraham, because the seed had to come from heaven.


All are adopted by the seed that comes from heaven, none are adopted into Abraham or Israel after the flesh, nor could be.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

If I make a promise to you then to who have I promised?
Someone else?
That's what you're saying when you say the Promises God gave to Abraham wasn't for him but someone else.
You're trying to hard to make Gentiles the recipient of the Abrahamic Covenant when it was made to Abraham and his children.
Unless you are claiming to be one of his natural descendants.
You need to rethink a great deal of what you believe because your positions are weak, won't hold water, and are false.

 

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You show almost no scripture and put away many.

The law came for Israel of the flesh, but faith had gone only to Abraham while not circumcised, before the sign of the seal of circumcision was given. ( Israel of the flesh never received that sign, it was given to Abraham who had faith, unlike unfaithful Israel after the flesh, who needed to be under a curse of a law.)

The children of promise are the Gentiles, through Christ, only those of the flesh speak through the flesh, but those of the Spirit speak through the Spirit, and we no longer know Christ through the flesh. ( but Israel, always was and therefore remains after the flesh.)

The promise was made to Christ, to the seed, it cant be to Abraham, as all those without us ( Gentiles) are not made perfect. ( perfect in Christ, in the Spirit, not in the flesh, as Israel is.)

Now you are forced to see the right way around. Nothing is given by Abraham, all is given by Christ. All have to be children of God by faith of Jesus Christ. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CHRISTS, are ABRAHAMS SEED, likewise, ALL THOSE OF ISRAEL THAT ARE NOT CHRISTS, are NOT THE SEED OF ABRAHAM.

The Gentiles are fellow heirs, not beneath Israel of the flesh, that would be silly, ridicules, they can be fellow heirs only through Christ. ( the Spirit.)


Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:


Acts 26:7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.



You cant graft more flesh into flesh and end up with Spirit.

The Gentiles through the Spirit are grafted into the Spirit, into Jesus Christ.

The covenant is with the blood of the Son.


Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.




Christ is before all, because all humans come afterwards.

The Gentiles are one with Christ in Spirit, not with Israel, as Israel is after the flesh.

The covenant was made with Abraham only because of Christ, or Abraham could receive no covenant.





The promises were made with Abraham, but Abraham is flesh, not Spirit. All look to Christ, nobody looks to Abraham, in Christ is life, in Abraham is not.



The covenant was made entirely only with us who can receive them, and Israel after the flesh does not receive.

I can trace my line to Christ, you can trace yours to Abraham.

Paul writes to Jews of which the original Church populated for several decades until God began to bring in Gentiles after the Temple was destroyed and the "ism" of Judaism ended.
At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb Israel His Bride will be there by Covenant.
Gentiles will be there by invitation.
You as Gentile should thank God and not try to usurp the covenant He made with Abraham and HIS DESCENDANTS.

 

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Israel is blinded because they have no faith, but the remnant always have faith, they cant be blinded, that is why it is blindness in part happened to Israel.



Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Israel is blinded because God had willed it in order to bring in Gentiles.
3000 Jews were saved at Peter's sermon and hundreds maybe thousands followed Jesus when He was here and had faith.
You need to rethink this.

 

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The devil, satan, deceives the whole world, his angels with him deceive, that is why if an angel preaches any other gospel they are accursed.

The devil ( the devil called satan) also himself is transformed into an angel of light, and at this same time it is no great marvel if his ministers ( his angels) are also transformed as the ministers of righteousness ( the devil/satan and his angels deceiving the whole world right now)



2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Can't happen the way you say.
God says they're all locked up.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

You need to rethink this, too.

 

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Yes lets test you too.


The covenant goes to Abraham, for Abraham to be the father of many nations. ( not for Israel.)

God also changes the name of Abraham, from Abram, as from there on he was made a father of many nations.

The covenant is established between God and Abraham, ( because of Abraham being made the father of many nations) and between God and Abrahams seed. ( Christ, who is the head of the heathen.)

The covenant that Abraham was given and would keep, every seed after him, ( included Christ) is every man child would be circumcised.




Genesis 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Psalm 18:43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.




Psalms 18 shows Christ would be the head of the heathen. ( the covenant given to Abraham, was because of being made a father to many nations. Not Israel therefore.)

Abraham was not justified by works, ( by the law Israel has in the flesh) Abraham believed the promises God had given.

Even as David, ( who spoke in Psalm 18 about Christ) described the man is blessed when their iniquities will be forgiven, when their sins are covered up.



Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.



The blessedness came when faith was recognised with Abraham, ( made to be the father of many nations) when in uncircumcision.

Abraham received the sign of the seal of circumcision, of the faith he had being yet UNCIRCUMCISED. ( again for Abraham to be the father of many nations/of ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE, not circumcised, to impute righteousness unto them also.

Abraham is the FATHER OF CIRCUMCISION, to THOSE WHO WALK IN THE STEPS OF OUR FATHER ABRAHAM WHICH HE HAD BEING UNCIRCUMCISED.

The promise was for Abraham to be HEIR TO THE WORLD, which was to his seed, ( Christ) through the righteousness of faith. ( never was to Israel who are of the law)

Israel, ( which is of the law) are NOT HEIRS, as that makes faith void, and makes the PROMISE OF NO EFFECT.



Romans 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Abraham had Ishmael and he had covenant with God as well. Twelve sons. I'd say many nations and kings have come from his descendants fulfilling God's Covenant with Abraham.
Esau also received blessings from Jacob. His descendants can also be identified as many nations of peoples, so who says these "nations and kings" are Gentiles?
Show me a Scripture identifying these nations and kings that would come FROM ABRAHAM are Gentiles.
Abraham is not the father of Gentiles.
He is the great-grandfather of Israel and there are no Gentiles coming from Abraham's loins (seed.)

 

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How does GOD write the covenant "JESUS" referred to on the heart of the people? Is it not the same Spirit for Jew and gentile male and female?
That is the only covenant that exists today, (New and not the same as the first), and fulfills Gods promise to Abraham in regard to the inheritance promised. As well as through His seed all nations will be blessed.

The Covenant was made to Abraham the person and to his seed (more persons.) Abraham is not the father of Gentiles in the flesh so although the Covenant was fulfilled in ONE Seed (Christ) who hails from the tribe of Judah the Covenant is finally with Jesus who is not Gentile but Jewish and the end of all covenants God made to His Bride Israel.
Abraham had another son named Ishmael and Ishmael had twelve sons. Jacob had Esau, too. Since nations and kings would come from Abraham's seed show me a Scripture that says Gentiles are the seed of the physical Abraham. Where does it say that the covenant was made with Gentiles since the Promise was to Abraham's seed and Gentiles are not His seed and God made no covenant with Gentiles.

If the offspring of the first believers remained in the faith its most likely they are known as Christians in this day and age as Jesus is called Christ.

God made no covenant with Gentiles.
Gentiles are enjoying the blessings of Christ who is the Promised Seed of Abraham, but Jesus is not Gentile. He is Jewish and God made no covenant with Gentiles.
But Gentiles are trying so hard to usurp that covenant and say that the covenant is with Gentiles because through Abraham's Seed who is Christ, we are now Abraham's seed. Yes, but in the spirit. But God made no covenant with Gentiles in the natural or in the spirit. It is all from the Abrahamic Covenant and that covenant was made to a Hebrew who is great-grandfather of the Jewish people. And no Gentiles are the natural seed of Abraham. He is not the natural father of Gentiles.

Hebrews clearly defines what God brought about through His Christ as that new covenant.

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

The New Covenant is a fulfillment of the Old Covenant God made with Abraham.
But God made no covenant with Gentiles.
Gentiles are grafted in with the natural branches and are not the natural branches themselves. Israel is the natural Olive tree and Bride of Christ.
Gentiles are grafted in with the NATURAL branches.