God is not fair

[jonathanbrickman0000]

I get what you're saying, but I don't like the pejorative words for God with negative connotation like "favoritism," "self-interest," "makes some blind," and "unfair." There have to be more-positive synonyms to describe him.

By the way, I think that John 9:39-41 means that God's judgment results in human blindness, not that it causes it.

I am very interested in what God has Personally said of Himself. He has said that He has killed and will kill a very large number of people. He has said that He has and will starve people to death. He has said that He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy, and He has said that there are a very large number of people upon which He will not have mercy.

I think that these are all not "positive" in your terminology. But I shall not withdraw them based on your dislikes. Rather, I shall press them further for the general benefit of any readers, and I shall pray the Father to change you, in order that you will like Him, as He describes Himself, more.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I am very interested in what God has Personally said of Himself. He has said that He has killed and will kill a very large number of people. He has said that He has and will starve people to death.

So has God's killing been done in fairness ?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

So has God's killing been done in fairness ?

God has not used the word "fair" to describe Himself. So I do not care about any answer to the question you have asked.

 

[Consecrated Life]

God has not used the word "fair" to describe Himself. So I do not care about any answer to the question you have asked.

The question arises from the title of this thread
"God is not fair"
Are we not supposed to discuss the title of this thread ?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Certainly, discuss. I'll suggest that the term "fair" is best to not apply to God, that God should not be called "fair", because God has never used the word to describe Himself.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Certainly, discuss. I'll suggest that the term "fair" is best to not apply to God, that God should not be called "fair", because God has never used the word to describe Himself.

I would disagree .
Peter's 3 year walk with God in the flesh, transfigured, and risen from dead, taught him that God is no respecter of persons.
Which is the very definition of fairness.
God is always fair.

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

God is no respecter of persons. Neither does He give equally to all.

 

[Consecrated Life]

God is no respecter of persons. Neither does He give equally to all.

giving equally to all in God's economy is giving each according to need .
Which is also the definition of fairness distributed in the wisdom of God.
He gave only enough Mana that a person would need for the day .

 

[donadams]

One of the terrible complaints I had as an unbeliever, and one still seen rather often, is the complaint that God is not fair. And possibly all of us have witnessed preachers bleating back that God is fair. Well, I was curious, so I looked up the word “fair”, which is defined as:

So let's break it down:

• In the New Testament, the word “grace” is translated directly from a word meaning “favoritism”; look it up. God has a lot of that. He chooses to whom He will bestow His favoritism.
• He does have self-interest and bias; He alone is good.
• He does not conform to the established standards or rules of any of the groups of mankind. He is above all standards and rules. He is Lord, which means sovereign.

"Fair" does include "free from deception". And God does not deceive. But God does not give knowledge of the Father or the Son to all. He makes some blind:

39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world so that those who do not see may see and so that those who see may become blind.” 40 Some of the Pharisees who were with him heard these things and asked him, “Are we also blind?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin, but now you say, 'We see,' so your sin remains.”
John 9:39-41

So indeed. God is very unfair. The only thing fair about Him, by that definition, is the fact that He does not deceive. But there is another usage of "fair", probably a much older one, which can mean "loving" and "lovable". And God is very loving and lovable, as long as you do not expect those other things!!!

i respect your scriptural insights, can i ask do you believe in the virgin birth?

Isa7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

matt 1:20 but while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lordappeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Lk 1:35 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

and what do you make of these verses?

Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son?

Lk 2:48 thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

thks

 

[Alfred Persson]

One of the terrible complaints I had as an unbeliever, and one still seen rather often, is the complaint that God is not fair. And possibly all of us have witnessed preachers bleating back that God is fair. Well, I was curious, so I looked up the word “fair”, which is defined as:

So let's break it down:

• In the New Testament, the word “grace” is translated directly from a word meaning “favoritism”; look it up. God has a lot of that. He chooses to whom He will bestow His favoritism.
• He does have self-interest and bias; He alone is good.
• He does not conform to the established standards or rules of any of the groups of mankind. He is above all standards and rules. He is Lord, which means sovereign.

"Fair" does include "free from deception". And God does not deceive. But God does not give knowledge of the Father or the Son to all. He makes some blind:

39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world so that those who do not see may see and so that those who see may become blind.” 40 Some of the Pharisees who were with him heard these things and asked him, “Are we also blind?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin, but now you say, 'We see,' so your sin remains.”
John 9:39-41

So indeed. God is very unfair. The only thing fair about Him, by that definition, is the fact that He does not deceive. But there is another usage of "fair", probably a much older one, which can mean "loving" and "lovable". And God is very loving and lovable, as long as you do not expect those other things!!!

God is 100% fair, ALL who believe are saved, all who do not are condemned:

14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jn. 3:14-18 NKJ)


As Christ's sacrifice was given through the Eternal Spirit it applies to Adam and Eve and all their descendants since the founding of the kosmos:

how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Heb. 9:14 NKJ)

2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world (kosmos). (1 Jn. 2:2 NKJ)


From God's Eternal perspective, Christ's redeeming Sacrifice was given at the foundation of creation, the moment God created the heavens and the earth. In the realm of the finite creature, it happened in 1st century time in the space of Israel.

names ....written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:8 NKJ)