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God's Kingdom on Earth

Stormcrow

That's what the Scribes, Pharisees, and Chief Priests thought, too. When they realized He was telling them the truth that it wouldn't, they crucified Him for it.

What would you do in their place?




Yes that is what they thought,even the apostles thought the same,however it wasn't the right time....

Acts 1:6 "When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God."

Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."


 
You are telling a lie ,not the truth.

Hebrews 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
 
You are telling a lie ,not the truth.

Hebrews 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Are you saying scripture is a lie,as that's all Ive posted....As for the verse you cited scripture just showed you that Heavenly Jerusalem shall come down........

My question to you is,come down where?
 
Yes that is what they thought,even the apostles thought the same,however it wasn't the right time....

Acts 1:6 "When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God."

Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

Only when [all sin + sinners are destroyed] & [God re/creates the NEW Heavens & the NEW EARTH!] (and just shortly after the 1000 years are over)
 
Hitch,
Please adhere to the Terms Of Service which you agreed to when you signed up for this board.
I was addressing the subject matter not the person and I believe that is within the letter and spirit of the TOS.
 
Only when [all sin + sinners are destroyed] & [God re/creates the NEW Heavens & the NEW EARTH!] (and just shortly after the 1000 years are over)

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (Psa.90:4)

PS- there will ALWAYS be sinners on earth! :seehearspeak

But the question is- are you a new creation now or just waiting for a new heaven & earth? :confused:
 
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (Psa.90:4)

PS- there will ALWAYS be sinners on earth! :seehearspeak

But the question is- are you a new creation now or just waiting for a new heaven & earth? :confused:



Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works

You kidding right?

After the second death sin will be no more.....

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
 
With out any twist of scripture or a piece of this and bit of that this is the only Biblical definition of His kingdom i find.


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
Are you saying scripture is a lie,as that's all Ive posted....As for the verse you cited scripture just showed you that Heavenly Jerusalem shall come down........

My question to you is,come down where?

{22} But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, {23} to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, {24} and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24 (NASB)

All of this came with the New Covenant. Is there anything better that comes after perfection???

People who need to see Jesus rule from this world don't want to have to walk by faith. They want to walk by sight. They want a Christ into whose throne room they can march and receive justice and mercy.

Guess what?

You already can!!!

{16} Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:16 (NASB)

God IS with us RIGHT NOW!!! Those who want to see Him rule from Jerusalem are no different than the Chief Priests and Pharisees who wanted an earthly king and who crucified Christ when He wouldn't be that for them!

You're waiting for something that isn't going to happen. If it didn't happen for the Jews - God's chosen people - what makes you think it's going to happen for you?
 
After the second death sin will be no more.....

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Interesting spin you've put on this verse. However, why is it that if there is no sin after Revelation 20:14, John writes this:

{10} And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, {11} having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. {27} and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 21:10-11, 27 (NASB)

So if all sin is removed from the earth after death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, why are idolaters and liars forbidden from entering the New Jerusalem a full chapter later???

{14} Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. {15} Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:14-15 (NASB)

(Correction: two full chapters later!)

Nope: no sinners alive after the "second death" to see in this passage, either. Move along. :shrug
 
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Hebrews 12:22 "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,"

This is what the Holy Spirit opens up for you when you believe on Jesus Christ and repent of your sins. When you come into the fellowship with God and become part of that Temple of Christ, you have the help also of God's innumerable company of angels ready to help you as you claim the promises of God that come with your inheritance as a son or daughter of the Living God.

This doesn't mean that you will be taken out of the world, but while you are in this world age of the flesh those angels are there to assist when it becomes necessary. You don't pray to or direct those angels, but God controls them for His sake. With that knowledge of your inheritance, you have the power to run the race that is set before us as part of the many membered body of Christ. When we have God on our side, there is nothing that becomes impossible for us. This "city" that we are looking forward to is a heavenly place that will come when the judgment is over, but while we are here on earth we can enjoy the rewards of the promise that is meant for man in the flesh.


Hebrews 12:24 "And to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Christ's wonderful blood of saving grace speaks much better that Abel's blood that cried from the ground to Almighty God for vengeance. Therefore vengeance belongs only to God, who stepped into that place when Christ went to the cross. Christ became our advocate upon His death and resurrection, and through our acceptance of that New Covenant, which is our belief and repentance to God, we can claim all promises written in both the Old and "New Covenant".


Revelation 21:27 "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

Why do we know that no sin or defiling thing will be allowed in the eternal city? Because all who followed Satan, and bowed to idolatry have been destroyed prior to the "New Holy City of God" coming down out of heaven. The only persons entering eternity are those whose names are recorded in the "Lamb's Book of Life", who have their sins covered and blotted out by Jesus Christ's shed blood.

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(Correction: two full chapters later!)

Nope: no sinners alive after the "second death" to see in this passage, either. Move along.

Did you not see what happened to these people?

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

They are not there,what part don't you understand??????They died the second death,which is the death of the soul........Dang mannn
 


Did you not see what happened to these people?

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

They are not there,what part don't you understand??????They died the second death,which is the death of the soul........Dang mannn

{15} Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:15 (NASB)

OUTSIDE OF WHAT??? Where are these sinners John writes about a full chapter later??? :chin
 
Hebrews 12:22 "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,"

This is what the Holy Spirit opens up for you when you believe on Jesus Christ and repent of your sins. When you come into the fellowship with God and become part of that Temple of Christ, you have the help also of God's innumerable company of angels ready to help you as you claim the promises of God that come with your inheritance as a son or daughter of the Living God.

This doesn't mean that you will be taken out of the world, but while you are in this world age of the flesh those angels are there to assist when it becomes necessary. You don't pray to or direct those angels, but God controls them for His sake. With that knowledge of your inheritance, you have the power to run the race that is set before us as part of the many membered body of Christ. When we have God on our side, there is nothing that becomes impossible for us. This "city" that we are looking forward to is a heavenly place that will come when the judgment is over, but while we are here on earth we can enjoy the rewards of the promise that is meant for man in the flesh.


Hebrews 12:24 "And to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Christ's wonderful blood of saving grace speaks much better that Abel's blood that cried from the ground to Almighty God for vengeance. Therefore vengeance belongs only to God, who stepped into that place when Christ went to the cross. Christ became our advocate upon His death and resurrection, and through our acceptance of that New Covenant, which is our belief and repentance to God, we can claim all promises written in both the Old and "New Covenant".


Revelation 21:27 "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

Why do we know that no sin or defiling thing will be allowed in the eternal city? Because all who followed Satan, and bowed to idolatry have been destroyed prior to the "New Holy City of God" coming down out of heaven. The only persons entering eternity are those whose names are recorded in the "Lamb's Book of Life", who have their sins covered and blotted out by Jesus Christ's shed blood.

Source please, or do your ethics allow for plagiarism?

Wherever you got this, it doesn't address what the writer of Hebrews writes:

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, {23} to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven

The heavenly Jerusalem IS the church!

Better luck next time.
 
Source please, or do your ethics allow for plagiarism?

Wherever you got this, it doesn't address what the writer of Hebrews writes:



The heavenly Jerusalem IS the church!

Better luck next time.

Heavenly Jerusalem is not the Church............What is you definition of Church?
 
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{15} Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:15 (NASB)

OUTSIDE OF WHAT??? Where are these sinners John writes about a full chapter later??? :chin

These people have died the second death,period........
 
These people have died the second death,period........

Funny. That's not what the context of Revelation 22 suggests!

{14} Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. {15} Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:14-15 (NASB)

Outside the gates of what??? OUTSIDE THE GATES OF THE CITY!!! This says NOTHING about these "immoral persons" being in the "Lake of Fire!" The lake of fire may be their final destination, but this is NOT what John is telling us here!

The "city" - heavenly Jerusalem has come to earth - and there are those who "live" in it and those who don't! Now, what in the world do you think he could possibly be describing???

Reba has it exactly right when she quotes Romans:

{17} for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Romans 14:17 (NASB)

In other words, the kingdom of God is not physical but spiritual! It is the church, the invisible, universal body of Christ - the New Jerusalem ("Abode of Peace") where Christ's Holy Spirit (should) reign in the heart of EVERY BELIEVER!

Outside the gates of the "New Jerusalem" - the church - is where unrighteousness dwells! That is the point John is making in Revelation 22:14-15, and the same point the writer of Hebrews was making in Hebrews 12:22!

Capice?
 
Funny. That's not what the context of Revelation 22 suggests!

{14} Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. {15} Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:14-15 (NASB)

Outside the gates of what??? OUTSIDE THE GATES OF THE CITY!!! This says NOTHING about these "immoral persons" being in the "Lake of Fire!" The lake of fire may be their final destination, but this is NOT what John is telling us here!

The "city" - heavenly Jerusalem has come to earth - and there are those who "live" in it and those who don't! Now, what in the world do you think he could possibly be describing???

Reba has it exactly right when she quotes Romans:

{17} for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Romans 14:17 (NASB)

In other words, the kingdom of God is not physical but spiritual! It is the church, the invisible, universal body of Christ - the New Jerusalem ("Abode of Peace") where Christ's Holy Spirit (should) reign in the heart of EVERY BELIEVER!

Outside the gates of the "New Jerusalem" - the church - is where unrighteousness dwells! That is the point John is making in Revelation 22:14-15, and the same point the writer of Hebrews was making in Hebrews 12:22!

Capice?

What your sugesting is that there will be sinners left after the second death which is the lake of fire death of the soul,common sense should tell you that is not so...That should force you to evaluate the scripture in Rev 22.....There is only ONE judgement after the milennium,at that time all wickedness shall cease to exist...They shall be tossed into the lake of fire after which that lake shall be dried up,never to be needed again....

As we stand now,in Christ,yes we do and can have peace as He is our rest but evil is still all around us,after the second death,evil; shall be no more,PERIOD....

For you to say that evil will exist forever goes aginst all of scripture....

Capice back at ya........
 
113. THE "KINGDOM" AND THE "CHURCH".


From Appendixes 112 and 114 it will be seen that, if each use of the term "kingdom" has its own special and particular meaning and must not be confused with others that differ, there must be still greater confusion if any one of them is identified with "the Church", as is very commonly done : though which of the Kingdoms and which of the Churches is never definitely pointed out.

The following reasons may be given which will show that "the Kingdom" and "the Church" cannot thus be identified :--

  1. The subjects of the former are spoken of as "inheriting", or as being "heirs of the Kingdom"; but we cannot speak of inheriting or being heirs of "the Church".
  2. We read of the possibility of "receiving the Kingdom", but in no sense can any Church be spoken of as being received.
  3. We read of "the elders of the Churches", messengers or servants of the Churches, but never of the elders, &c. of the Kingdom.
  4. The word basileia, translated "kingdom", occurs 162 times, and in the plural only in Matt. 4:8. Luke 4:5. Heb. 11:33. Rev. 11:15. On the other hand, the word ekklesia occurs 115 times, and of these 36 are in the plural and 79 in the singular, all rendered "church" except in Acts 19:32, 39, 41, "assembly".
  5. We read of "the children (or sons) of the Kingdom", but the Bible knows nothing of the sons of "the Church".
  6. The characteristics of each are distinct.
  7. The names and appellatives of "the Church" are never used of the Kingdom (Eph. 1:23; 2:21; 4:4, 16; 5:30. Col. 1:24. 1Tim. 3:15).
  8. The privilege of "that Church" which consists of the partakers of "a heavenly calling", Heb. 3:1 (see Ap. 112. 4, 5); Rev. 20:4-6, will be to reign with Christ over the earthly Kingdom, whereas that Kingdom will be "under the whole heaven" (Dan. 7:27).
  9. The Church" of the Prison Epistles (Eph., Phil., Col.) is here and now, in the world, and is waiting for its exanastasis, and its "heavenward call" (Phil. 3:11, 14); whereas the Kingdom is not here, because the King is not here (Heb. 2:8).
  10. The Kingdom is the one great subject of prophecy; whereas the Church (of the Prison Epistles) is not the subject of prophecy, but, on the contrary, was kept secret, and hidden in God, until the time came for the secret to be revealed. (see Ap. 112. 5).
It must be understood that this "secret" (Gr. musterion, see Ap. 182) did not and could not refer to Jews and Gentiles in future blessing, because this was never a secret, but was part of the original promise made to Abraham in Gen. 12:3, and was repeatedly spoken of throughout the Psalms and the Prophets. See Deut. 32:43. Ps. 18:49; 117:1. Isa. 11:1, 10, &c. Cp. Rom. 15:8-12, and the quotations there given.


114. THE "KINGDOM OF HEAVEN"
AND
THE "KINGDOM OF GOD".


We have seen in Ap. 112 that the word "kingdom", like the Greek basileia, has regard to sovereignty rather than territory, and to the sphere of its exercise rather than to its extent. Using the word "kingdom" in this sense, and in that which is conveyed in its English termination "dom", which is short for dominion, we note that the former expression, "the Kingdom of heaven", occurs only in Matthew, where we find it thirty-two times (*1).

But in the parallel passages in the other Gospels we find, instead, the expression "the Kingdom of God" (e.g. cp. Matt. 11:11 with Luke 7:28). The explanation of this seeming difference is that the Lord spoke in Aramaic; certainly not in the Greek of the Gospel documents. See Ap. 94. III.

Now "heaven" is frequently used by the Figure Metonymy (of the Subject), Ap. 6 for God Himself, Whose dwelling is there. See Ps. 73:9. Dan. 4:26, 29. 2Chron. 32:20. Matt. 21:25. Luke 15:21 ("I have sinned against heaven" is thus contrasted with the words "and in thy sight"). John 3:27.


Our suggestion is that in all the passages where the respective expressions occur, identical words were spoken by the Lord, "the Kingdom of heaven"; but when it came to putting them into Greek, Matthew was Divinely guided to retain the figure of speech literally ("heaven"), so as to be in keeping with the special character, design, and scope of his Gospel (see Ap. 96); while, in the other Gospels, the figure was translated as being what it also meant, "the Kingdom of God".
Thus, while the same in a general sense, the two expressions are to be distinguished in their meaning and in their interpretation, as follows :--


  1. The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of HEAVEN
    1. Has Messiah for its King;
    2. It is from heaven; and under the heavens upon the earth;
    3. It is limited in its scope;
    4. It is political in its sphere;
    5. It is Jewish and exclusive in its character;
    6. It is national in its aspect;
    7. It is the special subject of Old Testament prophecy;
    8. And it is dispensational in its duration.
  2. The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of GOD
    1. Has God for its Ruler;
    2. It is in heaven, over the earth;
    3. It is unlimited in its scope;
    4. It is moral and spiritual in its sphere;
    5. It is inclusive in its character (embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham, "the heavenly calling", and the "Church" of the Mystery). Hence,
    6. It is universal in its aspect;
    7. It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New Testament revelation;
    8. And will be eternal in its duration.





(*1) The Kingdom of God occurs only five times in Matt. (6:33; 12:28; 19:24; 21:31, 43).

The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God - Appendix to the Companion Bible
 
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