God's Kingdom on Earth

[Stormcrow]

Death isnt destroyed, its under Christ

{56} The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; {57} but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:56-57 (NASB)

{10} but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)

How little you understand the gospel of Christ. 2

 

[Stormcrow]

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Maybe if we rewrite Paul's words in the affirmative, people will understand them:

For the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

This is a statement that stands on its own regardless of the context in which it's made.

You are correct in asserting it often, Reba. :yes

 

[warfrog]

{56} The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; {57} but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:56-57 (NASB)

{10} but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)

How little you understand the gospel of Christ. 2

The gospel is Christ risen. He is the Word. He is the Book of Life.

You do not understand what is being said.
"For He has put all things under Him" which is exactly what that scripture you have displayed is showing.

"But when He says "all things are put under Him" it is evident that He who put all thins under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all."

"Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy destroyed is death."

The Father puts all things under the Christ, and currently all things are under Christ, He sits at the right hand of the throne of God, God has made all things subject to Him, including death, as the gospel is Christ risen and through Christ His recieve power over death. But when the Father says "all thing are put under the Son" then the Son will subject Himself back to the Father that God may be all in all.

Death exist's, it is overcome through Christ, it is put under Christ, it is not destroyed, He has rule over it.

Revelation 21 discloses and confirms the end of death as it does not occur again "there shall be no more death" and it confirms the time in which the Son has now made Himself subject to the Father "“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God."

I can walk up to you and walk up to an ungodly man beside you, cut your heads off, and guess what, your going to die and even further the ungodly man will not only die, he will furthermore be subject to judgement and the second death. So is death destroyed or does it still occur?

 

[Stormcrow]

Death exist's, it is overcome through Christ, it is put under Christ, it is not destroyed, He has rule over it.

"Christ Jesus, who abolished death"

abolish verb do away with, end, destroy, eliminate, shed, cancel, axe (informal), get rid of, ditch (slang), dissolve, junk (informal), suppress, overturn, throw out, discard, wipe out, overthrow, void, terminate, drop, trash (slang), repeal, eradicate, put an end to, quash, extinguish, dispense with, revoke, stamp out, obliterate, subvert, jettison, repudiate, annihilate, rescind, exterminate, invalidate, bring to an end, annul, nullify, blot out, expunge, abrogate, vitiate, extirpate

I'm not the one rewriting the gospel here. 2

 

[warfrog]

"Christ Jesus, who abolished death"

abolish verb do away with, end, destroy, eliminate, shed, cancel, axe (informal), get rid of, ditch (slang), dissolve, junk (informal), suppress, overturn, throw out, discard, wipe out, overthrow, void, terminate, drop, trash (slang), repeal, eradicate, put an end to, quash, extinguish, dispense with, revoke, stamp out, obliterate, subvert, jettison, repudiate, annihilate, rescind, exterminate, invalidate, bring to an end, annul, nullify, blot out, expunge, abrogate, vitiate, extirpate

I'm not the one rewriting the gospel here. 2

Stromcrow look what Christ does, He brings life and immortality to light through the gospel. For who Stormcrow, who recieves life and imortality through the gospel that would have death abolished? Saints, that doesnt mean death is destroyed, it means xactly what is being said, through Christ death is defeated, it is abolished, it i finished for His, they are immortal, it doesnt mean death doesnt exist for His, I can come and kill you, guess what your going to die, His will be raised on that Day, but for now guess what, death exist's Christ has however abolished it from His, "He has put all things under Him" just as i have been saying.

Now lets post the entirety of those scriptures and further look to what Paul says even further in chapter 2.

"Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day."

2 Timothy 4:6-8

"For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing."

Had we recieved everything Paul would not be speaking of a future tense in which he would recieve his crown throug the Lord on that Day and also all who have loved His appearing.

 

[n2thelight]

Jesus is my King

Of course He is............And spiritually you are in His Kingdom,however His kingdom is not at this time on earth,where it shall be......That won't happen until He comes here.........

In the meantime,satan is the god of this world


II Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believer not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them,"

Evil still exist in this world when Christ returns satan is bound,at that point evil will not exist,until the end of the 1000 years,when he is released and that is only for a shorty time,after which he shall be destroyed,never to be again.It is at this time when the full Godhead shall dwell on earth.

Revelation 21:3
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The above verse is not spiritual,it's very much literal....God shall be here!!!

 

[n2thelight]

Okay,let's look at what else Paul has to say.....


II Corinthians 5:4 "For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."

We that are now living in this tent of flesh called our human body, do groan with the burdens that we face in our everyday lives. In other words, while we are living in our flesh body, we do not worry about being clothed in this flesh body, as much as we are concerned with our clothing for our spiritual body. "Mortal" means liable to die, and this old tent of flesh and blood that we call our human body will pass on in due time. "..might be swallowed up of life", means that when we accept Christ there is no death to our lives. Death becomes swallowed up in eternal life.

II Corinthians 5:5 "Now He That hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit."

It is God that prepared for Himself a people, and you are His child. This word "earnest" is a legal term, which means to guarantee something. God formed all men and women, and you can see everyone living in their flesh body visible. However, God gives you and guarantees to you that you will have a spiritual body also, even though you can't see it that inner man, it is there and you are real. Even unbelievers have the inner body, but when you accept Christ, you have an addition to your inner man, for God places His Holy Spirit within you. This guarantee is something that you can count on, it is true.

II Corinthians 5:6 "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:"

This is physically speaking, that when you are living within your flesh body, you are not present with the Lord in heaven. This is not speaking spiritually, for when you are in Christ, He is in you. But physically your body is on earth and our Heavenly Father is in heaven. To understand this, we have to understand the three offices of the Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is in us and with us now in this age of the flesh. The Son of God, Jesus Christ will be coming back at the seventh trumpet to establish His Millennium thousand year kingdom, and He will be on earth in person living with us at this time. Though we are on earth, the age of this flesh and blood bodies will not be here, but we will all be living in our inner man bodies, the spiritual bodies that will be clothed in our righteous acts. Then after the Millennium age and after judgment day, the full Godhead will be here on earth and we will be living in a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth will be passed away. It will be a rejuvenated earth.

There is no way that you can be in the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ while you are in the flesh body. I Corinthians 15:50; "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." When Jesus returns to earth all flesh is done away with, and all, good and bad alike are changed into their inner man bodies. Those spiritual bodies are the ones that we will live in through the Millennium age. Even now, while Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father, you can not stand in the presence of the Father while in the flesh body. Why? Flesh is filth of the dust of the earth.

II Corinthians 5:7 "(For we walk by faith, not by sight"

Though I cannot see a spiritual body, unless at the point of death God so intends us to do so when it returns to the Father, the faith that we have is not by what we see but the hope that is within our inner man. We don't have to see it to know it, because we have His Word and His guarantee that our inner man has life eternal. It is by faith that we know that when this tabernacle of the flesh body dies, our spiritual inside being will instantly return to the Father that sent it. It is not flesh and blood, but it is eternal, because we believe upon His Word. We take it sight unseen, and know by faith, by the very guarantee on God's holy Word.

II Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Paul is saying here that we are not afraid to face death, because when we pass from this flesh body we then will be, or are instantly present with the Lord.

Study written by Roger Christopherson,

Can't be made more plain!!!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

In the meantime,satan is the god of this world

See that word "world" highlighted in your quote??? Here it is in the Greek:

aiwnos G165 eon

This word literally translated means "age"! Here is how Young's Literal translates this passage:

{3} and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed, {4} in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (YLT)

The god of what age???

{6} Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; {7} but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; {8} the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (NASB)

Satan was the "god of the age" that saw Christ crucified!!!

Satan was defeated AT THE CROSS!!! Period. End of discussion!

 

[n2thelight]

See that word "world" highlighted in your quote??? Here it is in the Greek:

aiwnos G165 eon

This word literally translated means "age"! Here is how Young's Literal translates this passage:

{3} and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed, {4} in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (YLT)

The god of what age???

{6} Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; {7} but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; {8} the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (NASB)

Satan was the "god of the age" that saw Christ crucified!!!

Satan was defeated AT THE CROSS!!! Period. End of discussion!

Yes satan has been defeated,that was the purpose of Christ death at the cross but he has yet to be destroyed,ie,lake of fire.....

You'll see him when he get's here.......

Until you are changed from flesh to spirit,Christ has not returned,not my words,Pauls...........end of discussion!!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

Yes satan has been defeated,that was the purpose of Christ death at the cross but he has yet to be destroyed,ie,lake of fire.....

:biglol

So he has been defeated, and he is not the "god of this (our) world" (as has clearly been shown), but he hasn't been destroyed???

Don't know too many snakes that survive their heads being crushed!!!

What's painfully clear is that people like you and Warfrog have no shame when it comes to rewriting the gospel in favor of your pet dogma.

For that you have my pity.

 

[n2thelight]

:biglol

So he has been defeated, and he is not the "god of this (our) world" (as has clearly been shown), but he hasn't been destroyed???

Don't know too many snakes that survive their heads being crushed!!!

What's painfully clear is that people like you and Warfrog have no shame when it comes to rewriting the gospel in favor of your pet dogma.

For that you have my pity.

When was satan cast into the lake of fire?

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Why are the above people still on this earth?????

satan is in heaven now,and will soon be kicked out,I pity you when he gets here,for you will be deceived just like you are now!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

satan is in heaven now,and will soon be kicked out

{17} The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name." {18} And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. {19} "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. {20} "Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven." Luke 10:17-20 (NASB)

Still shamelessly rewriting the Bible, I see! 2

I pity you when he gets here,for you will be deceived just like you are now!!!

:biglol

 

[reba]

I live in this world and Jesus is my King my God Etc I live in the kingdom of my Savour. I see God as the victor from ever to ever.

 

[warfrog]

:biglol

So he has been defeated, and he is not the "god of this (our) world" (as has clearly been shown), but he hasn't been destroyed???

Don't know too many snakes that survive their heads being crushed!!!

What's painfully clear is that people like you and Warfrog have no shame when it comes to rewriting the gospel in favor of your pet dogma.

For that you have my pity.

It's ok Stormcrow, i dont need your pity, you clearly do not understand a word being said, if you did you wouldnt say what you say, nor would you have pity.

What i do need from you, is if we would like to contiue our discussions is for you to be humble, long suffering to point the finger and to actually be honest in our discussions (in other words take time to go through them, not just be pompous that your right and everyone else is wrong)

If you can do that in all of our discussions there is no need to have pity on me.

Im not rewriting the gospel, if i was I wouldt actually use scripture in my discussions,I would slightly change scripure so that it fit what i was saying, not use it verbatim and iscuss based on that.

If you cant be mature in our discussions, cut the accusations and your pompousness, then say so right now and i will cut you off, so that we avoid any such thing in the future.
I'm not here to call peopl names or point fingers, I beleive scriptural discussions bring edification, but if i am seeing otherwise from aparticipant I dont want to discuss anythingwith them if tey willfully continue those practices in our discussions, fair enough?

 

[felix]

Of course He is............And spiritually you are in His Kingdom,however His kingdom is not at this time on earth,where it shall be......That won't happen until He comes here.........

Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

 

[n2thelight]

Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Simple question,can you see Christ now?Let me answer for you,no you can't,however,when His kingdom is here we shall see Him.....

 

[n2thelight]

I live in this world and Jesus is my King my God Etc I live in the kingdom of my Savour. I see God as the victor from ever to ever.

Yes Christ is your King,as well He should be.You may be living in the dominion,but the king is not here ruling it at this time...To you, same question as I asked Felix,can you see Christ now,live and in person?

When Christ kingdom is on earth,we shall see Him,that's the difference.....He will be here with us,physically....Can't figure out why that's so hard for you all to understand.......


Mark 13:34 "for the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch."

Although this is His kingdom,He has yet to return from His journey.....

Oh,and if you belong to Him when He returns, you shall see Him,as you shall be gathered to Him,in Jerusalem.....

 

[reba]

Yes Christ is your King,as well He should be.You may be living in the dominion,but the king is not here ruling it at this time...To you, same question as I asked Felix,can you see Christ now,live and in person?

I am in California if Jesus was in Jerusalem this very hour i could not see Him live and in person.

When Christ kingdom is on earth,we shall see Him,that's the difference.....He will be here with us,physically....Can't figure out why that's so hard for you all to understand.......

The Scripture tell us what His kingdom is rightious peace and joy in the Holy Ghost point blank that is what the Bible says right?

Mark 13:34 "for the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch."

Although this is His kingdom,He has yet to return from His journey.....

I too await His return

 

[n2thelight]

I am in California if Jesus was in Jerusalem this very hour i could not see Him live and in person.




The Scripture tell us what His kingdom is rightious peace and joy in the Holy Ghost point blank that is what the Bible says right?


I too await His return

Point of the thread was the fact that He is not here on earth,peace and joy we do have because He sent us the Holy Spirit.......Although you live in Cali,if He were here,somebody would see Him,as of now noone can........

 

[reba]

Is the Holy Spirit any less God then Jesus?