God's Kingdom on Earth

[Stormcrow]

BINGO! Being the letter was addressed to the Corintians that in itself is no great revelation but the sentence does say.... WE will not ALL sleep, but ALL will be changed.

Hey Noble...thank you for the kind words. And your post made me look at this verse from Corinthians more closely.

{51} Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51 (NASB)

It's like saying, "we will not all have ice cream but we will all have dessert." Paul is saying not all will die but all would be changed: the change from the corruptible to the incorruptible was not just for those who would sleep, but would be for all who believed in Christ.

In other words, the transforming power of Christ's resurrection would not just raise the dead, but would change those still living, which is completely consistent with what he wrote in Ephesians:

{4} But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, {5} even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), {6} and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

The change here for the living is not a physical change but a spiritual change, again consistent with Paul's writing here:

{17} Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NASB)

The physical resurrection of which Paul wrote was for those who had been living under the Old Covenant, many of whom walked out of the tombs when Christ rose:

{50} And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. {51} And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. {52} The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; {53} and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. {54} Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!" Matthew 27:50-54 (NASB)

 

[noble]

Hi n2thelight;

"We live we die",.......... Paul said we would not all sleep(die)Once we are
changed we don't die,(physically),so what you are saying dosn't make
sense.....

I don't think Paul was talking about physical or biological death. Physical death will always be there. John wrote that even tho we die... we live. We die the death of the physical or biological life and begin the life in heaven which is eternal.

Before the 7th trump people died and were changed,at the 7th trump ALL,will be
changed,therefore had the 7th trump sounded already nobody would be still
dying,as all that is left is the death of the soul,which is the 2nd
death........

Don't think that is quite the way it goes. Before the last trump of 1 Cor 15:51 and 52, everybody physically died and slept in the dust/slept somewhere- in the care of God, and waited for the resurrection of the dead. When the resurrection of the dead happened the good guys were raised to eternal life in heaven and the not so good guys were raised to be condemned. AFTER the last trump, everybody still physically died but they didn't have to sleep. That means that those who die after the last trump do not have to wait for the resurrection of the dead but are judged at the time of their death and are raised to eternal life or condemned to Hell.

Soooo once again, had the 7th trump sounded we would not still be facing a
physical death,ie death of the flesh, because of the simple fact that we will be
changed from flesh.......

Mankind will forever face physical or biological death. Believers who die AFTER the last trump do not ever die tho because they begin their eternal life in heaven. 2 COr 5:1. The body dies and rots, but the soul lives on in the new house God provides for us in heaven.

So the fact people still die on earth or that there is still pain on earth is the the way it will always be. The change is that now, after that last trump, we have the eternal peace of heaven AFTER this earthly life.

noble

 

[LastSeven]

Physical death will not always be with us. The scriptures are very clear that death is thrown into the lake of fire after the millennium and Paul said that the mortal would be clothed with immortality, meaning we will no longer have death.

1 Corinthians 15:54
"When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.â€".

Notice that in the verse above Paul is saying "then the saying that is written will come true". This means the saying is not yet true. It will come true in the future.

So it is when we are changed from mortal to immortal that death will be no more. Until then we will have physical death.

 

[noble]

Hi LastSeven;

Physical death will not always be with us. The scriptures are very clear
that death is thrown into the lake of fire after the millennium and Paul said
that the mortal would be clothed with immortality, meaning we will no longer
have death.

1 Corinthians 15:54
"When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.â€".

Notice that in the verse above Paul is saying "then the saying
that is written will come true". This means the saying is not yet true.
It will come true in the future.

Well, it means the saying was future to when PAUL said it, nothing there speaks of future to now.

So it is when we are changed from mortal to immortal that death will be no
more.

That is it, eternal life in heaven is where the immortal are. Once you inherit your eternal life you will be immortal. Many consider themelves to be immortal when they accept Jesus and believe in Him... well, yes and no. You have the solid hope of eternal life alright but don't walk in front of a moving truck.

Until then we will have physical death.

I'd say it is this death that ends....

Romans 5
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

I'd say it was this death..

2 Tim 1
10 but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

And yes, death, symbolic for 'no eternal heavenly life,' was symbolically destroyed by the establishment of the kingdom of Heaven, and that death was symbolically thrown in the symbolic lake.

The death rate will remain constant at one per person exactly like the second coming of Christ...one second coming per person.

noble

 

[n2thelight]

Hello Noble

I don't think Paul was talking about physical or biological death. Physical death will always be there. John wrote that even tho we die... we live. We die the death of the physical or biological life and begin the life in heaven which is eternal.

Yes he indeed was talking about physical,death,that is mostly what the chapter is about

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within


I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

Don't think that is quite the way it goes. Before the last trump of 1 Cor 15:51 and 52, everybody physically died and slept in the dust/slept somewhere- in the care of God, and waited for the resurrection of the dead. When the resurrection of the dead happened the good guys were raised to eternal life in heaven and the not so good guys were raised to be condemned. AFTER the last trump, everybody still physically died but they didn't have to sleep. That means that those who die after the last trump do not have to wait for the resurrection of the dead but are judged at the time of their death and are raised to eternal life or condemned to Hell.

Can't be,as nobody is judged until the great white throne judgement,also Paul said not all would die,so where are the people from then that didn't die?

Mankind will forever face physical or biological death. Believers who die AFTER the last trump do not ever die tho because they begin their eternal life in heaven. 2 COr 5:1. The body dies and rots, but the soul lives on in the new house God provides for us in heaven.

So the fact people still die on earth or that there is still pain on earth is the the way it will always be. The change is that now, after that last trump, we have the eternal peace of heaven AFTER this earthly life.

Yes the body does die and rot,but Paul said we would not all die a physical death,meaning those living at the sound of the 7th trump would not die,but be changed.Now as far as people always dying on earth,not true....

Revelation 9:6
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The above verse takes us back to I Corinthians and from there you should see why people will not be able to die,that reason being because we have been changed...

Now the question you should ask yourself is,why these people want to die,and the answer to that is because it will be at that instant (7th trump)they will realize they have been deceived by satan as the antichrist pretending to be Christ,,,,,

Now let's look at Thess

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

Paul as you can see is talking about those that died,my question to you is,where are they...

If Christ has returned they should be here,or may I ask,where did He bring them too?

For those who are alive at the 7th trump,we shall meet those that have already died in our spiritual bodies.......

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"


The Lord is going to descend, at the seventh trump [the last trump]. Why will the dead in Christ rise first? Because they are already there, and with Him. All we have to do now is go to the book of Revelation, and find out in detail when this will be. We find out what events will occur just prior to this seventh trump sounding, and then when we see these certain events taking place before our eyes, we will know our Lord will return to earth next. Then the trump will sound, and the gathering will take place, and we will be changed from our flesh bodies to our spiritual bodies. And not one day before.

Bottom line Christ establishes His kingdom right here on this earth and those that died are coming with Him and those alive will be changed as flesh and blood cannot enter that kingdom

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."

God comes here

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

 

[noble]

Hi n2thelight;

Yes he indeed was talking about physical,death,that is mostly
what the chapter is about

Isn't it funny how two people can read the same words and see two different meanings. BUT it happens .... a lot!

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your
flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different
and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is
"raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from
its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual
body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or
natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are
together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which
houses your spirit within

I'll split a couple of insignifcant hairs but ... The spiritual or heavenly body appears to be waiting in heaven to cloth the soul when we are raised.
2 Cor 5:1
1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

Being we are now on earth and we 'have a house IN heaven' that our spiritual or heavenly vody is stored there for us... who knows, who cares?

I consider the spirit and the soul to be the same thing in this context, but many hold a separation there.
I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

I had written:
Don't think that is quite the way it goes. Before the last trump of 1 Cor 15:51 and 52, everybody physically died and slept in the dust/slept somewhere- in the care of God, and waited for the resurrection of the dead. When the resurrection of the dead happened the good guys were raised to eternal life in heaven and the not so good guys were raised to be condemned. AFTER the last trump, everybody still physically died but they didn't have to sleep. That means that those who die after the last trump do not have to wait for the resurrection of the dead but are judged at the time of their death and are raised to eternal life or condemned to Hell.

Can't be,as nobody is judged until the great white throne
judgement,also Paul said not all would die,so where are the people from then
that didn't die?

That is correct, the rest of the dead, those of Rev 20:5 are raised at the the GWT. Paul said only some would SLEEP. Yes, to sleep is to die, but to die is no longer to sleep... do you get that part? All that changes at the time of the last trump. AFTER the last trump it is no longer necessaryu to sleep. BY that it means that when you physically die as a believer you are immediately judged and raised to the heavenly eternal life. 2 Cor 5:1.
Because the deth is NOT physical death it all becomes very simple, all thiose who die after the last trump leave their earthly bodies in the grave and take up LIVING in the eternal house in Heaven.

Yes the body does die and rot,but Paul said we would not all die
a physical death,meaning those living at the sound of the 7th trump would not
die,but be changed.Now as far as people always dying on earth,not
true....

I'm afraid that is the case.

Biblically it is written here:
Ecclesiastes 2:16
For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered; in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man too must die!

That covers everybody.



Revelation 9:6
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The above verse takes us back to I
Corinthians and from there you should see why people will not be able to
die,that reason being because we have been changed...

We are changed but nt changed from a dead person to a live person, not changed from a physically living person to a person who can not physically die. At the last trump mankind is changed from a group who physically died and slept until the resurrection of the dead to a group who physically dies but does not have to sleep and is either raised to eternal life or raised to be condemned.

Now the question you should ask yourself
is,why these people want to die,and the answer to that is because it will be at
that instant (7th trump)they will realize they have been deceived by satan as
the antichrist pretending to be Christ,,,,,

No the question I want to ask myself is why would anybody be in a hurry to die, I know I am not. I have not been deceived by Satan and never will be.

Now let's look at Thess

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

Paul as you can see is talking about those
that died,my question to you is,where are they...

They are living eternally in heaven.

If Christ has returned they should be here,or
may I ask,where did He bring them too?

No where does the bible say that Jesus or any dead will ever be again on planet earth. That is only a man made teaching, not a biblical one. That is why they are not here, Jesus never said they would be.

For those who are alive at the
7th trump,we shall meet those that have already died in our spiritual
bodies.......

Exactly and that meeting takes place in heaven not on planet earth.
I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

The Lord is going to descend, at the
seventh trump [the last trump].

Yes, He is.

Why will the dead in Christ rise first?
Because they are already there, and with Him.

No, because they are the first to be resurrected...... at the coming. 1 Cor 15:23.
23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

All we have to do now is go to the book
of Revelation, and find out in detail when this will be.

Okay.

We find out what events will occur just
prior to this seventh trump sounding, and then when we see these certain events
taking place before our eyes, we will know our Lord will return to earth next.
Then the trump will sound, and the gathering will take place, and we will be
changed from our flesh bodies to our spiritual bodies. And not one day before.

Ooops! The gathering takes place at the coming, Matthew 25:31 yes, and the DEAD will be instantly in their heavenly bodies, 2 Cor 5:1, the LIVING are caught up after that. 1 Thess 4:17 and they are caught up to the same place the dead in Christ are and that is in the air (heaven) not on earth.

Bottom line Christ establishes His kingdom
right here on this earth and those that died are coming with Him and those alive
will be changed as flesh and blood cannot enter that kingdom

As you see above that doesn't fit too good.

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."

God comes here

He sure did and He dwells among men and He is our God and we are His people, the kingdom of God is within us, ... and without us.... and around us....and above us and the final stage of our peace in that kingdom of God is in the eternal house in heaven given to us by God. 2 Cor 5:1

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Exactly and that is the eternal spiritual realm of heaven.

NOw let's go back to the verse we never looked at from my post.
Romans 5
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

That death is the one we are talking about here and THAT is what can not be physical death.

Then we can learn from Revelation that believers continue to live and die AFTER the wrath of God. Rev 14 tells us that John watches that wrath being doled out from his perch in heaven and John sees Jesus and Hi angels come to harvest the earth. Just before John watches that event he is given one last instruction by Jesus:

Rev 14
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yes, physical death continues on earth after the harvest of the earth, after the wrath of God, after the great tribulation, after the coming of the son, after the end of the world. That is very easy to understand when we read when the biblical end of the worls is:
1 Cor 10
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

That's how I see it all anyway and there are the biblical reasons for seeing it the way I do.
noble

 

[LastSeven]

Noble, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're saying that those who died before Jesus died, were raised with him and taken to heaven with him at that time. Is that what you're saying?

 

[noble]

Hi LastSeven;

Noble, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're saying that those who
died before Jesus died, were raised with him and taken to heaven with him at
that time. Is that what you're saying?

No, I don't think anybody was raised to heaven at the time of Jesus and the cross.
Matthew 27:52 has to be explained and I personally have no solid biblical reference to explain that in the positive. I can only use verses which say it wouldn't be a resurrection.
1 Cor 15:23 doesn't allow for any resurrection before the coming, plus the fact that Paul tells us that Jesus still has to defeat death here:
1 Cor 15
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

No, all who died before Christ returns will be among the people raised from the dead, not at the cross, but at His parousia. John 14:2 and 3 says Jesus will come back and TAKE these people to be where Jesus is. Hebrews 9:28 tells us Jesus will come a second time.

noble

 

[LastSeven]

o.k. So that being the case, I'm obviously a little bit confused about what you are trying to say in your previous lengthy post. Can you sum up your position for me in 4 sentences or less?

 

[noble]

o.k. So that being the case, I'm obviously a little bit confused about what you are trying to say in your previous lengthy post. Can you sum up your position for me in 4 sentences or less?

I'll try.

Prior to the last trump people biologically and physically die. When believers die prior to the last trump they are required to await the resurrection of the dead to inherit eternal life in heaven. After the last trump believers meet with Jesus at the time of their personal death and at that time, are raised to eternal life in heaven. The heavenly life is the final and ultimate goal of the believer as I see it, there is no earthly existance or physical existance after natural death.

noble

 

[LastSeven]

So when do you see the seventh trump being blown?

 

[Lehigh3]

I'll try.

Prior to the last trump people biologically and physically die. When believers die prior to the last trump they are required to await the resurrection of the dead to inherit eternal life in heaven. After the last trump believers meet with Jesus at the time of their personal death and at that time, are raised to eternal life in heaven. The heavenly life is the final and ultimate goal of the believer as I see it, there is no earthly existance or physical existance after natural death.

noble

Exactly. Upon each of our personal deaths. Just like our personal relationship with the Lord in our lifetime on planet earth.

"The Archangel totally blew it already" LOL!

 

[noble]

So when do you see the seventh trump being blown?

At the coming of the son immediately after the great tribulation. The seventh trump is the last trump, the harvest of the earth, the last day, the end of the age.

noble

 

[n2thelight]

I'll try.

Prior to the last trump people biologically and physically die. When believers die prior to the last trump they are required to await the resurrection of the dead to inherit eternal life in heaven. After the last trump believers meet with Jesus at the time of their personal death and at that time, are raised to eternal life in heaven. The heavenly life is the final and ultimate goal of the believer as I see it, there is no earthly existance or physical existance after natural death.

noble

Again,Paul said not all would physically die,meaning we will either be changed at the 7th trump or we will be changed when we die physically......The change takes place at death or at the 7th trump.....What you fail to realize is that at the 7th trump the age of flesh will be over.....Had the 7th trump sounded nobody would now be in flesh bodies.......

I'll split a couple of insignifcant hairs but ... The spiritual or heavenly body appears to be waiting in heaven to cloth the soul when we are raised.
2 Cor 5:1
1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

Being we are now on earth and we 'have a house IN heaven' that our spiritual or heavenly vody is stored there for us... who knows, who cares?

The point is we will not have to wait for a physical death to get our spiritual bodies,it happens at the 7th trump,at that time all will get their spiritual bodies,saint and sinner alike.....That's the change Paul is talking about.....

 

[LastSeven]

Aren't you guys both saying the same thing? I'm not sure where the disagreement is.

 

[n2thelight]

Aren't you guys both saying the same thing? I'm not sure where the disagreement is.

The disagreement is in weather or not the 7th trump has already sounded

 

[noble]

Hi n2thelight;

Premise #1

The point is we will not have to wait for a physical death to get
our spiritual bodies,it happens at the 7th trump,at that time all will get their
spiritual bodies,saint and sinner alike.....That's the change Paul is talking
about.....

[/QUOTE]

Premise #2
The spiritual body does not come until death of the earthly or natural body. The change at the last trump is that there is no sleep after natural death, but immediate eternal heavenly life.

Your premise and mine. I'll list the biblical verses which back up my thought and then read your biblical reasoning.

Paul discusses the resurrection body in 1 Cor 15.

First there are only two classifications of body available to mankind...

40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies;
We are in the earthly body at the moment as we live our earthly lives.

Then we learn that the spiritual or heavenly body comes after the earthly body.

46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

A close look at the verse above shows us that the spiritual body comes AFTER the earthly body. So the spiritual body can not exist while the earthly body is in place, it comes AFTER. Eccleseastes 12:7 shows us that the earthly body returns to the dust. We know from experience the earth body DOES rot and return to dust beginning at our death. Now as we put all that together we can read 2 Cor 5:1.
1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands

So the earthly tent remains until it is destroyed. It isn't replaced just because the last trump sounded. As I showed in earlier bible quotes, believers continue to live and die AFTER the last trump or after the wrath of God at the end of the age so it is obvious that the last trump has no physical change to the bodies of those who are alive and remain after the time of the great trib/parousia.

Let's have Peter describe it for us from 2 Peter 1
13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

So if we let Paul summarize it all again from 1 Cor 15:

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

My premise is justified for the most part by 2 Cor 5:1. The person lives on after the earthly body is destroyed (death) but the person lives on in the spiritual body in heaven.
So now we can add these verses to the ones I gave previously to justify my premise and I look forward to reading the verses you chose to verify Premise #1 above.

noble

 

[noble]

The disagreement is in weather or not the 7th trump has already sounded

It would be more that just when the last trump sounds because believers continue to die after that last trump as per Rev 14:13.

noble

 

[n2thelight]

Hi n2thelight;

Premise #1

Premise #2
The spiritual body does not come until death of the earthly or natural body. The change at the last trump is that there is no sleep after natural death, but immediate eternal heavenly life.

Death is sleep

Your premise and mine. I'll list the biblical verses which back up my thought and then read your biblical reasoning.

Paul discusses the resurrection body in 1 Cor 15.

First there are only two classifications of body available to mankind...

40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies;
We are in the earthly body at the moment as we live our earthly lives.

Then we learn that the spiritual or heavenly body comes after the earthly body.

46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

A close look at the verse above shows us that the spiritual body comes AFTER the earthly body. So the spiritual body can not exist while the earthly body is in place, it comes AFTER. Eccleseastes 12:7 shows us that the earthly body returns to the dust. We know from experience the earth body DOES rot and return to dust beginning at our death. Now as we put all that together we can read 2 Cor 5:1.
1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands

So the earthly tent remains until it is destroyed. It isn't replaced just because the last trump sounded. As I showed in earlier bible quotes, believers continue to live and die AFTER the last trump or after the wrath of God at the end of the age so it is obvious that the last trump has no physical change to the bodies of those who are alive and remain after the time of the great trib/parousia.

Let's have Peter describe it for us from 2 Peter 1
13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

So if we let Paul summarize it all again from 1 Cor 15:

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

My premise is justified for the most part by 2 Cor 5:1. The person lives on after the earthly body is destroyed (death) but the person lives on in the spiritual body in heaven.
So now we can add these verses to the ones I gave previously to justify my premise and I look forward to reading the verses you chose to verify Premise #1 above.

noble

Hello Noble

Yes the person does live on after the earthly body is destroyed,my point is the fact that if you don't die before the 7th trump,the earthly body will be destroyed at that point.....All those living on earth at the time of the 7th trump will have their earthly bodies destroyed at the same time......I don't know how to make it any clearer,that's the reason Paul said we will not all sleep(die)....

The trumpet sounds and flesh life for all is over,those on earth at this time,are the one's Paul said would not die,the reason they won't die is because they will be changed,without dying....

 

[n2thelight]

It would be more that just when the last trump sounds because believers continue to die after that last trump as per Rev 14:13.

noble

The only death after the 7th trump is the death of the soul