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God's plan for the Gay Agenda

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God's Plan for the Gay Agenda

by
John MacArthur

© Copyright 2004 by Grace to You. All rights reserved.
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GTYW04.htm

If you’ve been watching the headlines over the past six months, you may have noticed the incredible surge of interest in affirming homosexuality. Whether it’s at the heart of a religious scandal, political corruption, radical legislation, or the redefinition of marriage, homosexual interests have come to characterize America. That’s an indication of the success of the gay agenda. But sadly, when people refuse to acknowledge the sinfulness of homosexualityâ€â€calling evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20)â€â€they do so at the expense of many souls, perhaps even their own.

How should you respond to the success of the gay agenda? Should you accept the recent trend toward tolerance? Or should you side with those who exclude homosexuals and decry the sin? The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactionsâ€â€condemnation and compassion. Really, the two together are essential elements of biblical love, and that’s something the homosexual desperately needs.

Homosexual advocates have been remarkably effective in selling their warped interpretations of passages in Scripture that address homosexuality. When you ask a homosexual what the Bible says about homosexualityâ€â€and many of them knowâ€â€they have digested an interpretation that is not only warped, but also completely irrational. Pro-homosexual arguments from the Bible are nothing but smokescreensâ€â€as you come close, you see right through them.

God’s condemnation of homosexuality is abundantly clearâ€â€He opposes it in every age.

  • In the patriarchs (Genesis 19:1-28)

    In the Law of Moses (Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13)

    In the Prophets (Ezekiel 16:46-50)

    In the New Testament (Romans 1:18-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Jude 7-8)
Why does God condemn homosexuality? Because it overturns God’s fundamental design for human relationshipsâ€â€a design that pictures the complementary relationship between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25; Matthew 19:4-6; Ephesians 5:22-33).

Why, then, have homosexual interpretations of Scripture been so successful at persuading so many? Simple: people want to be convinced. Since the Bible is so clear about the issue, sinners have had to defy reason and embrace error to quiet their accusing consciences (Romans 2:14-16). As Jesus said, “Men loved the darkness rather than the Light, [because] their deeds were evil†(John 3:19-20).

As a Christian, you must not compromise what the Bible says about homosexualityâ€â€ever. No matter how much you desire to be compassionate to the homosexual, your first sympathies belong to the Lord and to the exaltation of His righteousness. Homosexuals stand in defiant rebellion against the will of their Creator who from the beginning “made them male and female†(Matthew 19:4).

Don’t allow yourself to be intimidated by homosexual advocates and their futile reasoningâ€â€their arguments are without substance. Homosexuals, and those who advocate that sin, are fundamentally committed to overturning the lordship of Christ in this world. But their rebellion is useless, for the Holy Spirit says, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God†(1 Corinthians 6:9-10; cf. Galatians 5:19-21).

So, what is God’s response to the homosexual agenda? Certain and final judgment. To claim anything else is to compromise the truth of God and deceive those who are perishing.

As you interact with homosexuals and their sympathizers, you must affirm the Bible’s condemnation. You are not trying to bring damnation on the head of homosexuals, you are trying to bring conviction so that they can turn from that sin and embrace the only hope of salvation for all of us sinnersâ€â€and that’s through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Homosexuals need salvation. They don’t need healingâ€â€homosexuality is not a disease. They don’t need therapyâ€â€homosexuality is not a psychological condition. Homosexuals need forgiveness, because homosexuality is a sin.

I don’t know how it happened, but a few decades ago someone branded homosexuals with the worst misnomerâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬Å“gay.†Gay used to mean happy, but I can assure you, homosexuals are not happy people. They habitually seek happiness by following after destructive pleasures. There is a reason Romans 1:26 calls homosexual desire a “degrading passion.†It is a lust that destroys the physical body, ruins relationships, and brings perpetual suffering to the soulâ€â€and its ultimate end is death (Romans 7:5). Homosexuals are experiencing the judgment of God (Romans 1:24, 26, 28), and thus they are very, very sad.

First Corinthians 6 is very clear about the eternal consequence for those who practice homosexualityâ€â€but there’s good news. No matter what the sin is, whether homosexuality or anything else, God has provided forgiveness, salvation, and the hope of eternal life to those who repent and embrace the gospel. Right after identifying homosexuals as those who “will not inherit the kingdom of God,†Paul said, “Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God†(1 Corinthians 6:11).

God’s plan for many homosexuals is salvation. There were former homosexuals in the Corinthian church back in Paul’s day, just as there are many former homosexuals today in my church and in faithful churches around the country. Do they still struggle with homosexual temptation? Sure they do. What Christian doesn’t struggle with the sins of their former life? Even the great apostle Paul acknowledges that fight (Romans 7:14-25). But former homosexuals sit in biblical churches throughout the country praising their Savior, along with former fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coveters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers. Remember, such were some of you too.

What should be your response to the homosexual agenda? Make it a biblical responseâ€â€confront it with the truth of Scripture that condemns homosexuality and promises eternal damnation for all who practice it. What should be your response to the homosexual? Make it a gospel responseââ¬â€confront him with the truth of Scripture that condemns him as a sinner, and point him to the hope of salvation through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Stay faithful to the Lord as you respond to homosexuality by honoring His Word, and leave the results to Him.

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GTYW04.htm
 
Gary said:
But former homosexuals sit in biblical churches throughout the country praising their Savior, along with former fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coveters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers. Remember, such were some of you too.

Would someone point me to a thread on this forum that has ever dealt with fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coverters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers with the same zeal as that leveled toward homosexuals? Would someone point me to a thread on this forum that has ever dealt with these issues AT ALL?

The facts are that many Christians prefer the neat little witch hunt against those who may well have had no choice in their specific disposition. The Bible addresses SIN. We need to research eleswhere when it comes to one's sexual orientation which is NOT a sin per se.

I don't believe for one second that one with homosexual tendencies can become 'straight' through fear of God's wrath or the finger pointing of self-righteous Christians. They can certainly refrain from sexual encounters but they will always struggle with their orientation. They may even take a wife in order to do 'the right thing' but they may also 'fantacize' homosexual thoughts when love making. Is this also wrong or is the 'appearance' of heterosexuality good enough for the Christian militia?
 
It's not my fault officer. I was born a lawbreaker, therefore; your laws do not apply to me.

I'm pretty sure that excuse would not fly.

:-D
 
Gary said:
What should be your response to the homosexual agenda? Make it a biblical responseâ€â€confront it with the truth of Scripture that condemns homosexuality and promises eternal damnation for all who practice it. What should be your response to the homosexual? Make it a gospel responseâ€â€confront him with the truth of Scripture that condemns him as a sinner, and point him to the hope of salvation through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Stay faithful to the Lord as you respond to homosexuality by honoring His Word, and leave the results to Him.

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GTYW04.htm
That may be some peoples approach but as for me I will choose to let them know that God loves them and has a better way for them. I don't go the "you are going to burn in hell by the hand of a loving God" route. Halloween tactics just are not the way.
 
SputnikBoy said:
Gary said:
But former homosexuals sit in biblical churches throughout the country praising their Savior, along with former fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coveters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers. Remember, such were some of you too.

Would someone point me to a thread on this forum that has ever dealt with fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coverters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers with the same zeal as that leveled toward homosexuals? Would someone point me to a thread on this forum that has ever dealt with these issues AT ALL?

The facts are that many Christians prefer the neat little witch hunt against those who may well have had no choice in their specific disposition. The Bible addresses SIN. We need to research eleswhere when it comes to one's sexual orientation which is NOT a sin per se.

I don't believe for one second that one with homosexual tendencies can become 'straight' through fear of God's wrath or the finger pointing of self-righteous Christians. They can certainly refrain from sexual encounters but they will always struggle with their orientation. They may even take a wife in order to do 'the right thing' but they may also 'fantacize' homosexual thoughts when love making. Is this also wrong or is the 'appearance' of heterosexuality good enough for the Christian militia?
Couldn't agree with you more. When the church starts seeing all sin as equal and ourselves as no better then the homosexual then we will have finally entered the field of love and maybe our deeds will then be pleasing to the Lord.
 
Asaph said:
It's not my fault officer. I was born a lawbreaker, therefore; your laws do not apply to me.

I'm pretty sure that excuse would not fly.

:-D
You have done perfectly here. This is exactly the problem with the church today. They see God as some cosmic cop just biting the bit trying to fill His quota of lawbreakers to lock up.

Sorry, my God is above such comparisons. He loves.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
Gary said:
What should be your response to the homosexual agenda? Make it a biblical responseâ€â€confront it with the truth of Scripture that condemns homosexuality and promises eternal damnation for all who practice it. What should be your response to the homosexual? Make it a gospel responseâ€â€confront him with the truth of Scripture that condemns him as a sinner, and point him to the hope of salvation through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Stay faithful to the Lord as you respond to homosexuality by honoring His Word, and leave the results to Him.

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GTYW04.htm
That may be some peoples approach but as for me I will choose to let them know that God loves them and has a better way for them. I don't go the "you are going to burn in hell by the hand of a loving God" route. Halloween tactics just are not the way.

No message of repentance?

That may be your way but it certainly isn't biblical.

Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
 
Telling people to repent and warning them of God's wrath is
"Halloween tactics?"?

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Halloween tactics?

Jesus used "Halloween tactics?"

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

God is love but not the worldly dung being preached as love by todays luke warm and sin tolerating Christians.

Let no man deceive you!
 
It is so much better when scripture is used to back up ones position in his/her service to God, instead of feelings and tickling the ears of others. Thanks BibleBerean for your clear concise interpretation given you of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
 
Solo said:
It is so much better when scripture is used to back up ones position in his/her service to God, instead of feelings and tickling the ears of others. Thanks BibleBerean for your clear concise interpretation given you of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
LOL!!!
 
BB, I do not deny the need for repentance whatsoever. I know that God demands it. But to chase people around with a burning ember in speech does no good. Leading people to the Savior who convicts of sin causes one to wish to repent and be part of Him.

This is not our work. Ours is to point to Christ, and calling names and belittling people does not do this or if it does, they get the idea that God is a beast who hates them instead of the truth.

In all things love or nothing we do will count for anything. Even when tackling the bigger issues we must remember love or it "profiteth nothing."
 
Lyric's Dad said:
BB, I do not deny the need for repentance whatsoever. I know that God demands it. But to chase people around with a burning ember in speech does no good. Leading people to the Savior who convicts of sin causes one to wish to repent and be part of Him.

This is not our work. Ours is to point to Christ, and calling names and belittling people does not do this or if it does, they get the idea that God is a beast who hates them instead of the truth.

In all things love or nothing we do will count for anything. Even when tackling the bigger issues we must remember love or it "profiteth nothing."

"Chasing people around with a burning ember" etc. is not what we are doing.

Accusing those of us who call sin for what it is as unloving and hateful does not demonstrate love.

Love is preaching repentance towards God and faith in Jesus Christ.

The "that's the Holy Spirit's Job" is a poor excuse for toleration and keeping silent when sin is being practiced.

2 Timothy 4:2-3 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Paul did not teach keeping silent and letting the Holy Spirit take care of sin in the church.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I don't believe "worldly philosophy" but I put my trust in the bible.
 
bibleberean said:
Lyric's Dad said:
I don't believe "worldly philosophy" but I put my trust in the bible.


Yeah, at least SOME of it.

Try putting a little into this one;

1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

On that note, I don't see much profit in continuing this. We have gone this round for about a year now and nothing changes. I wonder if the idea of love is just beyond some people's grasp.
 
Would someone point me to a thread on this forum that has ever dealt with fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coverters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers with the same zeal as that leveled toward homosexuals?

Can't say anything to any "one" unless we include "everyone" huh?! I don't believe I've ever heard Gary once condone the behaviour of any of the aforementioned lifestyles, yet its odd to me that you (Sputnik) are quick to come to the defense of homosexuals in this thread. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, its not hereditary and there is no gay gene. Homosexuals are just that because they choose to be. Making excuses for sinful lifestyles helps no one.

If you'd like to talk about witch hunts then we can talk about the slander of men and women throughout history that homosexual activists have claimed to be gay/lesbian without any fact other than the observation that they were not having promiscious sexual relations with the opposite sex. That stereotype is used so much these days. Its either you're a homosexual or prove yourself otherwise by a promiscious lifestyle, or we'll slander you. Don't think for one second that we're going to bullied around on this forum or on the world scene. The truth isn't hiding and those of us who acknowledge it aren't either.
 
Preaching repentance is love. Keeping silent and not warning someone that is practicing a sinful and unhealthy life style is not love.

On that note, I don't see much profit in continuing this. We have gone this round for about a year now and nothing changes. I wonder if the idea of love is just beyond some people's grasp.

Suit yourself...

I wouldn't give up if I were you. The idea of love may not be too far beyond your grasp.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Love isn't the worldly fluffy, warm, fuzzy feelings, a person has it is hearing and obeying God's word.
 
Thank you BB for proving my point again and again.

Please though, re-read the scripture you posted above and stop putting yourself in the place of God. Believe it or not, you are not Him.
 
Homosexual advocates have been remarkably effective in selling their warped interpretations of passages in Scripture that address homosexuality. When you ask a homosexual what the Bible says about homosexualityâ€â€and many of them knowâ€â€they have digested an interpretation that is not only warped, but also completely irrational. Pro-homosexual arguments from the Bible are nothing but smokescreensâ€â€as you come close, you see right through them.

John MacArthur

This quote is so true.

Good article Gary! :D
 
I don not think that trying to be cruel to a person, deny them rights, or anything like that, wil get them to try to change any better.

Telling someone that you might not agree, is always bettre than telling someone they are going to hell.

And.. Even IF the bible clearly states that homosexuals are an abomination, and EVEN IF God says that they are all going to hell.

THis is America. Christianity, is not the only religion, and basing laws solely on christianity, is illegal. (yes, now point me to the 10 commandments, and how those are law, so i will point you right back at hamurabi's code, and mayn secular countries laws about the exact same things.)
 
THis is America.

Yes, and we have freedom of speech here (for the moment atleast). Please explain to me the point of Bible censorship which is what many of them are trying to do. It seems to me that homosexual activists know they can only win this battle against morality if they are the only ones allowed to speak. Btw, in the end they'll still lose.
 
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