Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon

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Have you ever considered the war of Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon as we study Ezekiel 38:1-6 which actually names all who will come against Israel in the end of days being Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11. Within this battle the first six trumpets of God's wrath will be poured out into the world, Ezekiel 38:17-19, as we read in Rev 8:6 being the first trumpet sounding that takes us to the seventh trumpet of God's great wrath in Rev 11:15-19 and the timing of the son of perdition during the time of the seventh trumpet that promises a false peace and safety if all will take the mark of this beast, 2Thessalonians 4:1-12; Rev 13.

Ezekiel 38-39 calls this the battle of Gog and Magog and Rev 16:12-16 the place called Armageddon.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon, Harmageddon, Mageddon known in a few ways of different spellings, but being a city called Megiddo found in the Jezreel Valley between Nazareth and Jerusalem being a place of troops, an assembly of troops, a gathering of troops; a mountain assembly of troops, a mountain rendezvous of troops, or a mountain gathering of troops.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:7-10.

Let's take a closer look at Rev 20:7-10.
1. After the 1000 years are expired Satan will be set loose, but doesn't say how long he is set loose before he is cast into the lake of fire.

2. Satan goes out immediately to deceive the nations.

3. These nations are in the four quarters of the earth, (N S E W) that Satan gathers together as the enemies of God are great as the numbering of the sand of the sea.

4. Four quarters of the earth are east, west, north and south as described in Ezekiel 38:1-6 in all who come against Israel in the final battle called Armageddon.

5. The breadth of the earth means the saints that are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth.

6. God sends fire down from heaven to devour/destroy the enemies of God and Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Notice where it says the beast and false prophet are, as that happens when Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, before planting His feet on the Mt of Olives.


Rev 20:7-10 is the defeat of Satan after the battle of Armageddon where he calls all the nations to come against Israel one last time as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:1-6 that describes these nations. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11 as this takes place after Satan is bound and then set loose for what I believe 1000 years is symbolic in it's numbering like that of a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8. 7:9;1Chronicles16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed, Rev 19:11-21, are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

There are ten nations that will compass the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire will come down from God out of heaven, and devour them, Rev 20:7-10.

These 10 nations of Ezekiel 38-39 wars consisted of, Rosh, Magog, Tubal, Meshech, Gomer, Togarmah, Persia, Put, Ethiopia and Sheba & Dedan.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:7-10 Battle of Armageddon that we read about in Rev 16, happens when Christ returns to Earth with the saints that have been gathered up to Him, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. These are the countries that come against Israel being present day Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia that make up the ten nations of Ezekiel 38-39.

As I understand all of this it happens at the time of Christ return as I see everything happening very quickly as being the last day when Christ returns for at that time all evil will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, this present heaven and earth will pass away and restored again before the New Jerusalem will be ushered down from heaven, Rev 21:1-8.

IMO, I do not consider 1000 years as being literal in 2 Peter 3:8 or Rev 20, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
Have you ever considered the war of Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon as we study Ezekiel 38:1-6
Armageddon is linked to Christ’s second coming, while Gog and Magog could happen earlier or later.
 
Armageddon is linked to Christ’s second coming, while Gog and Magog could happen earlier or later.
Armageddon is linked to Christ's second coming, but this war is different then the actual literal battle found in Ezekiel 38:1-6.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:7-10.

Let's take a closer look at Rev 20:7-10.
1. After the 1000 years are expired Satan will be set loose, but doesn't say how long he is set loose before he is cast into the lake of fire.

2. Satan goes out immediately to deceive the nations.

3. These nations are in the four quarters of the earth, (N S E W) that Satan gathers together as the enemies of God are great as the numbering of the sand of the sea.

4. Four quarters of the earth are east, west, north and south as described in Ezekiel 38:1-6 in all who come against Israel in the final battle called Armageddon.

5. The breadth of the earth means the saints that are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth.

6. God sends fire down from heaven to devour/destroy the enemies of God and Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Notice where it says the beast and false prophet are, as that happens when Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, before planting His feet on the Mt of Olives.

Rev 20:7-10 is the defeat of Satan after the battle of Armageddon where he calls all the nations to come against Israel one last time as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:1-6 that describes these nations. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11 as this takes place after Satan is bound and then set loose.

Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed, Rev 19:11-21, are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.
 
shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:7-10.
some beleive this means at the end of the ages they will be destroyed. I do not understand why God would want anything UnGodly in all of Creation. We are told that God is all in all and that there is no evil in Him.
 
some beleive this means at the end of the ages they will be destroyed. I do not understand why God would want anything UnGodly in all of Creation. We are told that God is all in all and that there is no evil in Him.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Is this fair and justifiable? Why would God create evil if He is suppose to be a loving just God?

The evil that God has created are His righteous judgements that come upon those who are not obedient to His commands. It's like that of the10 plagues in the book of Exodus as Pharaoh oppresses Israel while taken them into captivity as even though God gave him a chance to let them go he refused so God's punishment came against Egypt.

The same with many battles we read of in the OT that came against God's people as all is done in righteous judgement of God to show He is the Great I Am, Exodus 3:10-15.

So will it also be in the end of days when Christ returns in all His righteous judgement, Rev 19:11-21.
 
I the LORD do all these things.
Some people call this the permissive will of God compared to the Divine will of God. He does seem to take responsibility for what He permits and allows to happen. I wonder why He would create a world where it is even possible for the pain and misery we see. Am I on thin ice for thinking thoughts like that? We are told to lean not on our own understanding. Proverbs 3:5, which says: "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." This verse encourages faith in God rather than relying solely on personal reasoning.
 
I wonder why He would create a world where it is even possible for the pain and misery we see.
Do we blame God for all the evil in this world, or do we blame man for turning away from God?
 
Do we blame God for all the evil in this world, or do we blame man for turning away from God?
This all goes back to Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. Why did God plant that tree in the Garden. Why did God have to test Adam and Eve. Even Calvan and Joseph Smith say God wanted them to eat the forbidden fruit.

Deuteronomy 8:2b "to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands."

Why does God need to test us? Of course the standard answer is because we get to choose if we love Him or not. But that just does not explain all the pain, misery and suffering in the world. Even though it is amazing that God is able to cause good to come out of anything and everything. We know 100% that God ultimately does not disappoint anyone. It just does not always seem that way at the time.
 
Do we blame God for all the evil in this world, or do we blame man for turning away from God?
Why would God create a man with the potential to turn away from Him? The answer is always so we can decide if we want to love Him or not. But why is there even a potential for evil, death and destruction? Of course we love God because God is Good, Fair and Just. But the world that He created is not good, fair and just.

Revelation 21:4, says:"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away."

Why did He not just create the world the way He wanted it to be. I have problems dealing with the contradictions.
 
This all goes back to Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. Why did God plant that tree in the Garden. Why did God have to test Adam and Eve. Even Calvan and Joseph Smith say God wanted them to eat the forbidden fruit.

Deuteronomy 8:2b "to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands."

Why does God need to test us? Of course the standard answer is because we get to choose if we love Him or not. But that just does not explain all the pain, misery and suffering in the world. Even though it is amazing that God is able to cause good to come out of anything and everything. We know 100% that God ultimately does not disappoint anyone. It just does not always seem that way at the time.
Of course it goes back to Adam and Eve. God gave them a command to not eat of the tree of good and evil, but yet they fell to Satan's temptation allowing sin to enter into Adam/us as we all have the nature to sin. Genesis 3
 
Why would God create a man with the potential to turn away from Him?

God determined that man would have free-will, the ability and responsibility to choose to obey Him, Gen. 3:1-6; Josh. 24:15; Matt.11:28. God did not predestine the man, which individuals would be saved or lost, He predestined the plan in how men would be saved, John 3:5-7; Acts 10:34-35; Eph. 1:3-12; Rom. 8:28-30;10:9-17.

Even angels who are created spirits were given a freewill choice as we know Satan chose to disobey God and is now in the world tempting man/woman to walk in disobedience. God did not create us to be Robots, but to love Him and take care of the earth. It is we who have failed Him.

I do not want to turn this into a freewill debate, but only to answer your question.​
 
God did not predestine the man, which individuals would be saved or lost
Some believe that only believers are recorded, while others suggest that all names are initially written, but those who reject Christ are removed.
 
Some believe that only believers are recorded, while others suggest that all names are initially written, but those who reject Christ are removed.
It is only those of faith in God and His Son Christ Jesus and have been Spiritually born again that have their names written in the Lamb's Book of Life even before the foundation of the world as God knows the beginning and the end.

Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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