cthompson71
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Is there anyone with a "Gog as anti-christ" perspective on prophecy that can explain the apparent contradiction between Ezekiel 39:11 and Revelation 19:20?
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Gog and Revelation 19
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Stormcrow
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Good question. I'll get back to you with some solid research on it later. Too tired for that now, but didn't want you to think your question was going unseen or unanswered.
Never heard anyone state that gog is the anti-christ.
The Gog magog war happens 1000 years after the second coming of Jesus. The Anti-christ will be captured and cast into the eternal lake of fire upon the day of the second coming of Jesus so he cannot be Gog.
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MithrandirOlorin
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In Revelation 19 Gog has and Magog has become an idium of the northern most parts of the Earth.
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Where are you getting the assumption that Gog is the anti-christ? Considering the anti-christ has not come yet. Sure there have been many people that were anti christ, but are not the actual anti-christ. There is a difference.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist
You have just glanced at ALL the Scriptures have to say about antichrist.
Chapter and verse are there to read them in context. I would be interested to know/learn how from Scripture some one has an idea there is an "actual anti-christ. "
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist
You have just glanced at ALL the Scriptures have to say about antichrist.
Chapter and verse are there to read them in context. I would be interested to know/learn how from Scripture some one has an idea there is an "actual anti-christ. "
MithrandirOlorin
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That's why the word "Antichrist" isn't my preferred title for him. But even in those the expectation of a specific future individual is implied.
Stormcrow
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Who is Gog? "Gog" is known to be an Anatolian name. It is reasonable to identify him with Gogis (seventh century b.c.e.), king of Lydia, who is called Gugu in the chronicles of Ashurbanipal. Such personage was known to the Prophet, who took him as reference in order to point out a determined geographic area: Asia Minor. Precisely such is the area (Anatolia, Asia Minor) that Yehezqel's prophecy under five names (Magog, Meshekh, Tuval, Gomer and Togarmah) intends to make clear. These people were well known to the Prophet, and this seems clearly to be the exact interpretation.
Read more about the identity of Gog and Magog here:
http://www.imninalu.net/G&M.htm
MithrandirOlorin
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Meshech has nothing to do with Turky, read the Appendices of Bill Cooper's After the Flood.
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This map from a Bible atlas disagrees:
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Meshech is a region of Anatolia (what we now call central Turkey) that was known going back as far as the time of Abram leaving Ur of the Chaldees (this map depicts his travel to Canaan.)
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We come to the term of antichrist (In place of) representing that "Man of sin" since he sets himself in the holy place as God. There are and will be many antichrists and false prophets but the pseudonym assigned this special agent of Satan seems somehow fitting, and most of the Church has embraced it. At least I think most times I know who they are referring to when someone mentions the "The antichrist."
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
MithrandirOlorin
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That Map is incorrect, it's confusing Meshech with a Son of Aram.
The Biblical definition of antichrist is found in those scriptures of John...
I have a hang up over the use of the Hollywood term antichrist. The hype, all the cheap books written by saints and sinners. It just sorta sticks John who by the power of the Holy Spirit penned God's word there in The Revelation did not use the term there. Yet mankind has gone over board placing it in Scripture " so to speak'...where ever they wish... just a pet pieve...and my opinion
MithrandirOlorin
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The word we keep using is inappropriate, but the concept is Biblical.
My issue with Christian-Movie Antichrists is their always assuming he'll be a Liberal
My issue with Christian-Movie Antichrists is their always assuming he'll be a Liberal
This is funny. In actuality I believe he will be a smooth talking politically persuasive talking individual, does well in commerce with promises of a better day for everyone, very moral and just enough religious sounding drawing both right and left after him; a politician.
Then he must believe that he can become God for he as the man of sin will sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. What kind of a man would possibly think that he is as God once was, and as God is, he can become? Hmmmm?
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