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"gouge out your eye" . . . literal or figurative

Heidi, . . . how do you know that you "hurt God" when you "sin"? :gah

If you look at it logically, . . . if a finite human can "hurt God" in any way, . . . that means that God has a weakness, . . one that is precipitated by an action. :confused
 
Orion said:
Heidi, . . . how do you know that you "hurt God" when you "sin"? :gah

If you look at it logically, . . . if a finite human can "hurt God" in any way, . . . that means that God has a weakness, . . one that is precipitated by an action. :confused
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Careful there Orion. You would be hard pressed to find a Christian that would disagree with the concept that God does not like to see us sin. It is a pretty sound doctrinal principle that is sprinkled throughout the bible in the OT and NT.
 
So, then God would be "eternally upset", even before making us all.
 
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So, then God would be "eternally upset", even before making us all.
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God does not want us to sin. Hence the reason for the Bible, the Ten Commandments and Jesus's teachings.
 
He made us to sin, but doesn't want us to? :gah :confused
 
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He made us to sin, but doesn't want us to? :gah :confused
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He did not make us to sin. Go read Genesis and come on back. We are inherently flawed as a result of "original sin".
 
Of course he made us to sin. He created us this way on purpose. And I have read Genesis. It's is a fantastic STORY. Even so, if God "nitted someone in their mother's womb", that means that person was made with flaws, one being, the propensity to sin at the drop of a hat.

Eve could not have "sinned" by eating a piece of fruit. If she hadn't partaken from a piece of fruit that would give her the knowledge of "good and evil", then she would have no understanding of what it was TO do evil. If she did, BEFORE she ate the fruit, then there was no reason to eat the fruit, and it wouldn't be necessary to call it "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". It is a "chicken and the egg" paradox.
 
Let me ask you this Orion. Does a Father like to see his child disobey him? I know my children would disobey me before I had them but that didn't change my mind to have kids.
 
You are transferring human emotional responses upon that which you haven't the proof it exists (God having similar human emotion, not God specifically).
 
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You are transferring human emotional responses upon that which you haven't the proof it exists (God having similar human emotion, not God specifically).
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We are made in his image. You may not believe that and that is up to you. Christians believe that we are made in his image and than he does not like it when we sin.
 
God does hate all workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5). But God still causes people to sin. For example,

(2 Samuel 24:1) Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.â€Â

God moved David to sin.

(2 Samuel 24:10) And David’s heart condemned him after he had numbered the people. So David said to the LORD, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O LORD, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.â€Â

David knew that God causes people to sin (see Psalm 141:4).

2 Samuel 16:10-11 says,

But the king said, “What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah? So let him curse, because the LORD has said to him, ‘Curse David.’ Who then shall say, ‘Why have you done so?’†And David said to Abishai and all his servants, “See how my son who came from my own body seeks my life. How much more now may this Benjamite? Let him alone, and let him curse; for so the LORD has ordered him.

Shimei sinned when he cursed David (2 Samuel 19:19-21), and David knew that God "ordered him" to sin.
 
Fascinating post, ofthetruth! :)

Aero, . . . because someone wrote that we are, . . . does that make it completely true? How COULD we be made in any TRUE "image" of a God?

Besides, I don't see how you can say that everyone is. I know I'm not. There are many things that the Bible said that God called for that I would never, . .. nor would you, if you were honest with yourself. The problem is, when it seems "holy", people are eager to jump on the "made in his image" bandwagon, but when other things are brought up, . . . "oh, that was for another time", "we can't know the mind of God", "who are we to question God", etc. Those are, of course, ways to attempt a rationalization of actions that you wouldn't ever actually do.

I've just come to the place where I recognize that about myself, and now I can be free.
 
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