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Grace is given and not merely offered !

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Eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

The False teachers and their followers have turned the Grace of God into lasciviousness in their corrupt teachings of it.

For Gods Grace is never said to be offered to all men individually and then left up to them on whether or not they accept it unto the saving of their souls..thats insanity, neither is grace any where taught to be common..as to imply its not from Jesus Christ, the head of the church..Jn 1:

16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

And as such Paul says that He was given grace..because Paul was a member of the body of the Head, Jesus Christ, who was full of grace and truth..

Now Paul's conversion was given to us as an example as to How God converts His chosen into believers 1 tim 1:


15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Paul's witness is that, He is proof that Christ came into the world to save sinners, of which He was chief [ for He is not boasting about His office as an apostle] but that He too was a sinner like anyone else who would be saved by grace..

And God used Him to be a pattern of display..the word pattern in the greek is:

hypotyp?sis:

which means:

an outline, sketch, brief and summary exposition

2) an example, pattern

God by providing the sacred record of Paul's conversion acts 9, was actually giving a exposition, an example, of what salvation by grace through faith was all about, and that it was a gift of God, and that this same course of action by God is the same toward all who shall believe on Christ unto everlasting life [ jn 3:16]

eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.


Grace is a spiritual gift of God..[ rom 5:15]

This indicates therefore vs 7 that all the elect will receive as Paul did the same effectual working of Gods grace in them, to set them apart for Christian service and the accomplishment of Gods eternal purpose [ see eph 2:8-10]

This is liken to all the members of the body receiving of the same life blood line [ jn 1:16] however small or insignificant the member may be. However the enablement of each member may differ [ are all apostles] i.e the enablement of the arm is greater than that of baby toe, though both are important, or the baby toe and the eye..but nevertheless, the head of the body supply's the needful grace to each bodily member to carry out its God ordained function..so all members receive grace given as Paul did, but the function in the body may not be the same as Paul's was..

But Jesus cares for all of his body members [ even while they are dead in sin] the same eph 5:

23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh[ body]; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

And it is for this cause, Grace is given..not offered, not made available for the taking..but given by the head to His own body..
 
sbg57,

The forgiveness for our lusts of our flesh is of the grace of God in Jesus Christ. But it comes to us in that revelation that is for a child. We are then put into the tutelage of the bondwoman and her son. Under this schoolmaster program we learn the forms of righteousness, but are not given to know any of the mystery of godliness and iniquity.

Then God gives us that revelation of Jesus Christ that makes us young men in Christ and we gain the victory over the wicked one, like Jacob wrestling with the angel. Jacob labored for twenty years while God was preparing him for that night's work.

Then God gives us to be fathers to others who are entering the path and to encourage the young men in their battles with the wicked one. In this phase God gives us to know him who is from the beginning.

John spoke of this in 1 John 2, but the witness of forgiveness and cleansing from sin comes first in chapter 1. Each experience in Christ comes in its order.

Joe
 
joe:

sbg57,

The forgiveness for our lusts of our flesh is of the grace of God in Jesus Christ

Only if you are an elect, the non elect have no forgiveness for any of their sins..
 
great another one on calvisnism. why witness then if that is totally true after they will be saved any way. The lost are already heating the fires of hell then.
 
The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

One of these days, I ought to start a thread on the philosophy of irresistible grace: how and when it was invented, and why.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
joe:

sbg57,

The forgiveness for our lusts of our flesh is of the grace of God in Jesus Christ

Only if you are an elect, the non elect have no forgiveness for any of their sins..

Jesus took all sin on the cross...the sins of the whole world.

To claim otherwise is to deny the blood and it's power. Jesus didn't just take some sin...He took ALL SIN. Mankind...all men now have access to the grace of God through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. It is now up to man to take advantage of their forgiveness and believe their sins are forgiven. Unbelief, alone, is what keeps man from entering into eteranl life. The prison door has been opened...not all men will walk through that open door. That's a big difference that you seem unable to understand. The sin price has been paid for ALL ...they need only accept that gift.
John 1:29 said:
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
glory:

Jesus took all sin on the cross...the sins of the whole world.

Yeah, the whole world of the elect..

And that is the reason that Jesus prayed as he did, "I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours." John 17:9
 
mutzrein said:
savedbygrace57 said:
glory:

Jesus took all sin on the cross...the sins of the whole world.

Yeah, the whole world of the elect..

And that is the reason that Jesus prayed as he did, "I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours." John 17:9

agreed..
 
It's no secret God has a special love for the elect.
But to deny He loves all men and desires all men to be saved it nothing more than religious elitism. :shame

It's a good thing God is bigger than the doctrines put forth by man.
 
Mutzrein and savedbygrace57 do you all even witness? I'm curious if some are made to stoke the fires of hell why even bother.

Funny the Jews used to think of the gentiles like this.
 
jasoncran said:
Mutzrein and savedbygrace57 do you all even witness? I'm curious if some are made to stoke the fires of hell why even bother.

Funny the Jews used to think of the gentiles like this.

Why should I witness? I AM a witness.
 
Do you tell others outside here on this forum that jesus died for them, and that they need to repent?

Some heathens often do demonstrate the things that christian ought to do and be, so words are necessary
 
jason asked:

Mutzrein and savedbygrace57 do you all even witness?

I am witnessing to you right now, when you read my threads and post..
 
savedbygrace57 said:
jason asked:

Mutzrein and savedbygrace57 do you all even witness?

I am witnessing to you right now, when you read my threads and post..

LOL What you're witnessing makes me realize we need to send workers into the harvest or they won't hear the message of salvation.
 
glorydaz said:
savedbygrace57 said:
jason asked:

Mutzrein and savedbygrace57 do you all even witness?

I am witnessing to you right now, when you read my threads and post..

LOL What you're witnessing makes me realize we need to send workers into the harvest or they won't hear the message of salvation.

I am witnessing to you too, and you reject the Truth, because the gospel witness is also death unto death..
 
jasoncran said:
Do you tell others outside here on this forum that jesus died for them, and that they need to repent?

Some heathens often do demonstrate the things that christian ought to do and be, so words are necessary

There are many running too and fro believing that they have a mandate from God to ‘preach the gospel’. And for many this mandate is not from God but from the pages of a book which man has interpreted in the flesh.

My mandate is not taken from the pages of a book. It comes from God. And it was as a young child of God that He first made known to me something of that mandate. God has placed within me His ‘word’. Many seem to think that His word is merely what is written in the bible and so they commit themselves to studying it, in order that they may use the words to ‘preach’ to the lost. Now I in no way deny the validity of scripture and the messages conveyed therein by men of God. However, God’s word is living. It is not just words written in ink on the pages of a book. His Word is alive and living within me . . . and those within whom the word of God dwells. God’s word is precious. It is truth and life and it can only be quickened by means of the Spirit of God to those to whom God has prepared to receive it.
 
i understand we are to live it out, but do you tell someone who doesnt know Jesus.Why you dont watch this tv show are dont lust after another women or whatever.
 
jasoncran said:
i understand we are to live it out, but do you tell someone who doesnt know Jesus.Why you dont watch this tv show are dont lust after another women or whatever.

Why? So they could clean up their lives and be righteous. I am not made righteous by what I do (or don't do). Nor can they be.
 
mutzrein said:
jasoncran said:
i understand we are to live it out, but do you tell someone who doesnt know Jesus.Why you dont watch this tv show are dont lust after another women or whatever.

Why? So they could clean up their lives and be righteous. I am not made righteous by what I do (or don't do). Nor can they be.
they could say that you are mormon or a jw as mormon and jw often mirror what we do. If one doesnt know the subtle difference and you would be taking the Glory from God as he has changed and saved you so that others may see His workmanship.

How often do I get asked about bi and lbgt simply because I testify what the Lord did and how that he can do for them.
No different with my jw background as I see others dealing with them I ask.
Why preach then or have church then if the bible doesnt need a voice. God chooses us to be his feet and hands and mouth, which we fail often to do.
 
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