Guns in the house and Suicide

[humble soul]

Sorry you can delete this thread if necessary. Just thought it was an important topic.
I just watched a documentary about crime scene cleaners. Hardcore cleans after murders, suicides and natural deaths too.
One suicide, the cleaner asked the interviewer directly, "why do they leave guns in a house where people are suicidal?"
Fair question I thought. And there are people who wouldn't normally suicide, but the temptation of guns?
Don't wish this to be political. Just genuinely curious.

 

[humble soul]

The other thing is it's nothing to do with guns.

Temptation. Guns usually do the job with no half measures. How many failed suicides with guns?

 

[Who Me]

Not just people who are suicidal, but also people known to be mentally disturbed, depressed etc etc.

The right to bear arms also involves the duty to be responcible for oneself and ones neighbours.

 

[humble soul]

I don't think every responsible gun owner should be punished and hand in there guns because someone could do something stupid with a gun that's nothing to do with them.

I'm not saying that. This thread is more about keeping guns away from the suicidal. But does the temptation and convenience of guns, make less suicidal people consider the option too? When they are feeling really low and depressed.

 

[jasonc]

I'm not saying that. This thread is more about keeping guns away from the suicidal. But does the temptation and convenience of guns, make less suicidal people consider the option too? When they are feeling really low and depressed.

do we then keep knives ,and cars,and also well bridges safe for them?locally we have people commit suicide by all three. jump up 100 or more feet into a river and die .the rails on the alma lee loy bridge are easily climbed.

 

[WIP]

Why the focus on the firearm? Whether it's by firearm, jumping off a high bridge or cliff, asphyxiation, drug overdose, or other means someone intent on taking their own life can find a way to do it.

 

[Edward]

Temptation. Guns usually do the job with no half measures. How many failed suicides with guns?

There's actually quite a few failures of gun suicide to work and then they live, but life is much harder now. I know two people who suicided and both intended to use gun but one chickened out and hung himself and the other was successful.

 

[humble soul]

do we then keep knives ,and cars,and also well bridges safe for them?locally we have people commit suicide by all three. jump up 100 or more feet into a river and die .the rails on the alma lee loy bridge are easily climbed.

Guns are surely the quickest, most definitive

 

[jasonc]

Guns are surely the quickest, most definitive

so if that were,true,the.highest rate,of,suicide is,the,military and,you,can't,possess a gun on,active duty .its stored and you,must tell why you,are wanting,to use your own weapon.

you can commit suicide in leave ,at love fire ranges if,they have,no,clue or die by overdose or other means

in the u.s. the right to own gun is enumerated ,you,don't,have a right to own a car ,have a knife ,or,walk a bridge enumerated like that .

I personally lost two soldiers via that means .my wife lost a friend,that way ,a fireman locally commited suicide that way and,these supposedly had suport ,you are implying red flags laws,the cop taking your gun and baker acting you may himself carry his gun and daily battle the same things as you do and no one knows,I personally know two or more cops who have said they have and of them from others.

yet my own step daughter who was baker acted last month ,can carry a knife was held three days and let go. I would have to explain my right to buy a gun but not her?she made threats ,this isn't so cut and dry .

 

[humble soul]

I'm just thinking if gun ownership was more prevalent in Australia, would the suicide rate go up? Il
My cousin's committed suicide after drinking alcohol. That will affect mood and judgement. A convenient gun to the mix?

 

[jasonc]

I'm just thinking if gun ownership was more prevalent in Australia, would the suicide rate go up? Il
My cousin's committed suicide after drinking alcohol. That will affect mood and judgement. A convenient gun to the mix?

you are arguing,this,we could save lives by banning guns yet ignore that fact alcohol is involved in most crimes of passion,murder and,suicide and,not,mention drunk drivers and boaters.yet prohibition doesn't work

 

[humble soul]

you are arguing,this,we could save lives by banning guns yet ignore that fact alcohol is involved in most crimes of passion,murder and,suicide and,not,mention drunk drivers and boaters.yet prohibition doesn't work

No I'm just curious what would happen to the suicide rate. Statistics.
I can see this is a very sorry point for gun owners. Don't worry I have no influence on what will happen in America.
I would probably have the same mindset if I lived there.

 

[jasonc]

No I'm just curious what would happen to the suicide rate. Statistics.
I can see this is a very sorry point for gun owners. Don't worry I have no influence on what will happen in America.
I would probably have the same mindset if I lived there.

its realism here ,I know a,bit,about baker acting someone and also the facilities you go to and its why I don't,like psychology

 

[Corn Pop]

Everyone here had to hand in there semis, but I don't think it worked, Apparently of the 56,346 handed in only 9532 were actually semis. People were just handing in there standards and claiming the cash.

 

[humble soul]

Everyone here had to hand in there semis, but I don't think it worked, Apparently of the 56,346 handed in only 9532 were actually semis. People were just handing in there standard rifles and claiming the cash.

That was after the Muslim massacre, right?
Ashamed to say he was an Aussie.

 

[humble soul]

It's realism here

Interesting comment. Not sure what you mean really.
If America is "realism" I will settle for "unrealism" in Australia .

 

[jasonc]

Interesting comment. Not sure what you mean really.
If America is "realism" I will settle for "unrealism" in Australia .

so if a man has depressipn he should be easily,able,to,drive ,own a screw driver ,a grinding,wheel ,acquire steel or iron and,make,any,blade material,to,harm himself ,people do ,I know this as a friend tried to kill herself via sleeping pils then went to a gun ,Zoloft and many of those you can oversize on and die ,especially sleppimh pills but 30 pills on that pharmacy prescription no problem ,

Marvin Heemeyer - Wikipedia

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welder who built that ,was my,suicidal ,he got caught and planned should it happen he would not go to jail .anger drove him to act like that .

 

[humble soul]

so if a man has depressipn he should be easily,able,to,drive ,own a screw driver ,a grinding,wheel ,acquire steel or iron and,make,any,blade material,to,harm himself ,people do ,I know this as a friend tried to kill herself via sleeping pils then went to a gun ,Zoloft and many of those you can oversize on and die ,especially sleppimh pills but 30 pills on that pharmacy prescription no problem ,

Marvin Heemeyer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

welder who built that ,was my,suicidal ,he got caught and planned should it happen he would not go to jail .anger drove him to act like that .

Honestly speaking though. If I had options including a gun , and were about to kill myself, why go half measures?
So then you are going to say only the mentally unstable would choose a gun? Come on.
Some might accuse gun owners in America of being in denial. Not me of course.

 

[jasonc]

Honestly speaking though. If I had options including a gun , and were about to kill myself, why go half measures?
So then you are going to say say the mentally unstable would choose a gun? Come on.
Some might accuse gun owners in America of being in denial. Not me of course.

so your country has zero suicides ,I,never said the gun wasn't used ,i said if I person wanted to end their life they will by any means ,I mentioned jumping off a bridge ,I mentioned pills,slitting wrists It was mentioned via carbon monoxide poisoning .yet with You its only guns that are used .

Suicide in Australia - Wikipedia

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notice the ban of guns ,after it ,they hung themselves ,jumped off a cliff

yes the rate is higher in the u.s.but unlike your nation ,we have a large land mass, or two traffic illegal drugs and ban guns those two ,not counting the ocean ,your idea won't work .

 

[humble soul]

Whew..hot topic best left alone. I'm not naive enough to think you would consider a different pov