Guns in the house and Suicide

[Edward]

I will mention that several years back, my dad, who had a hand gun for protection, threatened suicide one night in response to an intense argument. We ended up calling 911 and they sent the police, we didn't know what else to do. My dad claimed that he hadn't really meant the threat and had said it in the heat of the moment, but who knows if he really did mean it or not.

A lot of people say things during the heat of the moment and don't really mean it. I've known a couple people who have said similar things and the both sort of said said the same thing...she wouldn't shut up, lol. I've never said something like that but it's just that people don't want to fight fair when they argue. That's sad.

 

[evenifigoalone]

A lot of people say things during the heat of the moment and don't really mean it. I've known a couple people who have said similar things and the both sort of said said the same thing...she wouldn't shut up, lol. I've never said something like that but it's just that people don't want to fight fair when they argue. That's sad.

Well, I now my dad was on Zoloft, which means they at least suspected he was suffering from depression, so that's why I question if he really meant it. But you're probably right.

 

[jasonc]

I was going to ignore but I just find it laughable that you compare a bridge to a gun in the house.

and you wonder why we Americans react this way .

Suicide bridge - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

gun restricted south Korea ,Britain and Australia ,south Africa have these ,yet you laugh ,better go tell them that the best restrict bridges for those who are depressed .

 

[humble soul]

"To reach such locations, those with the intention to die by suicide must often walk long distances to reach the point where they finally decide to jump"

 

[jasonc]

"To reach such locations, those with the intention to die by suicide must often walk long distances to reach the point where they finally decide to jump"

yet they do it . where I live one could drive to park at the big blue power plant ,walk as its next to it ,or park at McWilliam park and walk to the barber bridge and its also next to the park ,I know as both places i have walked the bridges from either in exercise or photographing

https://jasoncran.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F630355645804232704

this a photo from the barber bridge

 

[WIP]

"To reach such locations, those with the intention to die by suicide must often walk long distances to reach the point where they finally decide to jump"

They don't have to walk to the bridge or cliff but can drive there. I wonder how many suicides even with a gun happen in a fleeting moment or are contemplated for a time? Although I don't have the research to prove it, I suspect that in most cases when a person commits suicide they go over it many times in their mind before actually taking that last plunge or squeezing that trigger or closing that garage door and starting that car or throwing themselves onto the knife or swallowing those pills, whatever they do. I'm guessing the heat of the moment suicides are probably rare. I could be wrong though I hope not.

 

[evenifigoalone]

They don't have to walk to the bridge or cliff but can drive there. I wonder how many suicides even with a gun happen in a fleeting moment or are contemplated for a time? Although I don't have the research to prove it, I suspect that in most cases when a person commits suicide they go over it many times in their mind before actually taking that last plunge or squeezing that trigger or closing that garage door and starting that car or throwing themselves onto the knife or swallowing those pills, whatever they do. I'm guessing the heat of the moment suicides are probably rare. I could be wrong though I hope not.

I tend to think you're right. And a lot of times, once people begin a suicide attempt, they immediately regret it. But stuff like jumping off a bridge, you can't exactly unjump. Which is why they are installing suicide nets on some bridges, it gives that second chance to decide "hey, maybe I don't want to die after all"

 

[humble soul]

They don't have to walk to the bridge or cliff but can drive there. I wonder how many suicides even with a gun happen in a fleeting moment or are contemplated for a time? Although I don't have the research to prove it, I suspect that in most cases when a person commits suicide they go over it many times in their mind before actually taking that last plunge or squeezing that trigger or closing that garage door and starting that car or throwing themselves onto the knife or swallowing those pills, whatever they do. I'm guessing the heat of the moment suicides are probably rare. I could be wrong though I hope not.

Still way too long by comparison.

 

[jasonc]

Still way too long by comparison.

locks and laws keep men honest .

 

[humble soul]

yet they do it . where I live one could drive to park at the big blue power plant ,walk as its next to it ,or park at McWilliam park and walk to the barber bridge and its also next to the park ,I know as both places i have walked the bridges from either in exercise or photographing

https://jasoncran.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F630355645804232704

this a photo from the barber bridge

The post I made was a direct quote from your wiki post

 

[jasonc]

The post I made was a direct quote from your wiki post

300 persons in a period .my city has a power plant by the bridge it had a boat house for inspecting the cooling units ,yet it was used more for suicide and body recoveryry in its 59 years of use.the alma lee loy bridge was built after the boat house by a decade .

in a pro,second amendment county .not that I can recall the suicides ,but it did happen ,the source worked there and told me .

 

[humble soul]

"a firearm is used in 50% of cases"
"On average 123 suicides per day in America"
It's easier to remove a gun from a house, than to remove a bridge.

Suicide in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Beau Jangles]

I've had a very sorrowful experience having several cousins and probably five either close friends or acquaintances who took their own life by a legally owned firearm of some sort. Three used a shotgun and the remainder of them had some kind of handgun. The sadness of loss from this sort of situation is a tragic one and it clings to your memory forever.

In all probability, each of them purchased a gun for either personal protection or sport shooting, such as hunting, etc. It's very doubtful at the firearms whichever type was chosen that suicide had even entered their minds at the time. The unfortunate situation is that when thoughts of taking your own life enter in, deciding to use the weapon in this manner is too easy.

 

[jasonc]

"a firearm is used in 50% of cases"
"On average 123 suicides per day in America"
It's easier to remove a gun from a house, than to remove a bridge.

Suicide in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

guy is suicadal with gun ,cops shoots guy doesn't want to give up gun ,
you really want to ban guns ,a suicidal as already stated doesn't stay as such for long .as already stated a depressed person who can function on meds is gonna loose his gunss forever .

50 pervent of suicides in your country are linked to alcohol ,why not ban that?

deoression and suicide .more of a link there to alcohol then gun ownership .prohibition of guns or restricting it is linked to higher murder rates in the u.s.per fbi data

 

[jasonc]

Alcohol Dependence and Suicide - Centre for Suicide Prevention

Alcohol dependence is a major risk factor for suicide. This editorial article examines the relationship between alcoholism and suicide.

www.suicideinfo.ca

 

[humble soul]

Jason
My advice?
Never give up. Even when you are losing.

 

[jasonc]

Jason
My advice?
Never give up. Even when you are losing.

my advise is to learn what gun rights are and how it must be taken away ,to keep ,guns away is more then one
must give away your right to self defense if ,as these are factors ,

loose a child ,have a child ,loose a job,are raped ,are robbed ,divorce ,a car wreck ,stalked,have served ,are a cop .drinking alcohol too much

these factors can be linked to suicide


yet .

Residents file lawsuit against Minneapolis over decreased police staffing levels

Some are calling it an “exodus” as more officers within the Minneapolis Police Department look to take medical leave or leave the department permanently. As the staffing levels decrease, some concerned residents are filing a lawsuit against city.

www.google.com

note ptsd ,and the crime of violence ,gun shots heard increase ,

never did i say person who is that suicidal should be arounf guns ,but you seem to imply ,suicidal persons will stop if they simply don't have guns .yet per 100000 your country where its illegal to own a firearm without permission its Only 3 persons less .so its not gonna half .

 

[WIP]

Still way too long by comparison.

You make it sound like committing suicide is a spur of the moment decision. I propose that in rare cases it might be but for most cases I expect it's a process that takes days, weeks, months, etc. stemming from mental health issues of many types. In which case, the time it takes to drive or walk to a place to make that final leap is probably immaterial except in a few rare situations.

 

[humble soul]

propose that in rare cases it might be but for most cases I expect it's a process that takes days, weeks, months, etc. stemming from mental health issues of many types.

Of course that argument justifies having readily available means to end one's life right in the home. Of course you are going to say that. Denial and rationalising is a never-ending story.

 

[Edward]

Of course that argument justifies having readily available means to end one's life right in the home. Of course you are going to say that. Denial and rationalising is a never-ending story.

So are we talking about 20,000+ individuals who use guns to commit suicide each year? That is indeed a tragic thing. But let us just for a moment here pull our perspective from these 20K of 328 million residents of the US, upward to look upon the entire world with all of it's 7.8 Billion people and it's continents and nations and also consider all of the other instances of when guns are used to...murder innocent people, defend against crime to save innocent lives where criminals die by gunfire, and where innocent lives are saved by gunfire towards tyrannical governments and terrorist organizations. Wow, that's a lot more deaths added to the equation, huh?!

So I see personal small arms being largely responsible for a large portion of the peace in the world being in a state of semi balance. What worldwide peace you say? Yeah good point. However, can you see this perspective and glean just how much worse the murders by tyrannical gvts and terrorist organizations and criminals the world would be if people anywhere did not have small arms to defend themselves with, just because 20,000 people would commit suicide?

Small arms are the reason that the glove has not come off the iron fist here in the US yet. It would be nigh impossible for our government to win a war with it's own people. They would barely have enough personnel to guard their own bases.

To feel compassion towards the suicidal & those with mental illnesses is a fine and noble thing to feel but to restrict access to small arms would create more death than it would save of the 20,000 suicidals if that were even theoretically possible. The only way that it might even work is if every single gun on earth disappeared. And that's not going to happen, it's too late for that. So guns are here to stay and the theory of what if not having guns accessible to people would lower suicide rates is...a logical fallacy I guess you would call it.