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Papa Zoom said:
Unfortunately, fatal car crashes are one of the top causes of death among teens in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease ...

The day anti gun advocates fight to keep teens from being able to drive is the day I take them seriously about gun control. I won't even mention abortion. Oops , too late.
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I did that before, boy talk about a reaction
 
I kind of feel like if someone has the perspective of one either chooses God for defense of them and their loved ones, or chooses a gun to help make it easier, and there isn't any in-between (!), as if it's either God or guns, but not both...that, that person has probably not ever been in a situation where there was real danger to self or loved ones. Otherwise, they would know that even with a gun, ohhh there's plenty of room to have faith in God and have a gun. Just because one has a gun doesn't mean that they do not have faith in God! And having a gun doesn't guarantee that they win either. It is in no way a lack of faith to own and carry a gun for defense. You could miss, they could be all hopped up on meth or something to where even if you do shoot them and get a good hit, they still might not stop the attack for several minutes and they still have the ability to kill you or your wife, you may be outnumbered. So many variables and things could happen that a gun just might not be enough. You'd need God with you anyway to be able to live and take your family home instead of to the morgue. God be with me!

I've had a few real close calls. My wife was about 7 or 8 months pregnant and two guys tried to strong arm us. They were going to, but I happened to have my pistol on me and it defused the entire situation. Suddenly we were all friends. No one got hurt. That's the real goal. The key to carrying a pistol for defense is that you use it in such a way that you do not have to shoot anyone. (Like having an insurance policy. You don't really want to use it and file a claim...) In order to approach carrying a gun for defense, and the goal is to not shoot anyone unless you are forced to...takes a whoe lotta faith in God, Brother!!

True enough, that people are not the enemy. We fight against evil spirits and principalities. This is a spiritual war. However! Evil spirits can be rebuked with the name of Jesus.. can people? Usually not. So in that case, you kind of need something. It's not a lack of faith. To me, it takes more faith to go armed than it does to go defenseless. This is because I want to get off of this planet without ever having to shoot or kill a man. So the gun and a whole lotta faith. Even King David had a weapon. King David was a man after God's own heart.

My understanding is that King David slew tens of thousands of people. He prolly had full armor and a sword for going into battle. A man after God's own heart. Protect his people. I wonder if King David had a lack of faith? David did have faith and God was with David. That's why he won, and not the sword...but he did have it.

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Responsible adults with no criminal record should be allowed to protect themselves and property.
 
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Growing up in Australia rural area, my dad taught me how to shoot. Always had rifles in the house. When I was 8 yo I was allowed to go out into the field by myself to get pigeons. I would head shoot them if I could, then pluck them, my ma would gut and cook them. Dad told me to only shoot what I wanted to eat or feral, like foxes that ate the hens. It was never about self protection. Our country back than didn't seem to have a huge need for using guns as protection.

Personally, I think a gun would be handy as protection. But if guns were allowed for the general public, in our street alone I think half the folks are not responsible adults so I would not want guns in their hands. But if guns were easily available, they would have them for sure. When I say not responsible, like they got ice (drug) and hotted up cars and get in trouble for beating each other up and throwing bricks on roofs and one hijacked a plane and others do stealing and driving crazy. This is young and old folks. Middle class. And I live in a good section of town. Come to think of it, if I had a gun I would probably start using it to warn off those dudes cranking out the too loud music or doing burnouts on the road. Or encourage that family to move out that started up drug dealing and cars were coming all hours of the night. I guess I could use a gun and justify it was just for my protection.

Watching Thomas
 
Watching Thomas said:
Growing up in Australia rural area, my dad taught me how to shoot. Always had rifles in the house. When I was 8 yo I was allowed to go out into the field by myself to get pigeons. I would head shoot them if I could, then pluck them, my ma would gut and cook them. Dad told me to only shoot what I wanted to eat or feral, like foxes that ate the hens. It was never about self protection. Our country back than didn't seem to have a huge need for using guns as protection.

Personally, I think a gun would be handy as protection. But if guns were allowed for the general public, in our street alone I think half the folks are not responsible adults so I would not want guns in their hands. But if guns were easily available, they would have them for sure. When I say not responsible, like they got ice (drug) and hotted up cars and get in trouble for beating each other up and throwing bricks on roofs and one hijacked a plane and others do stealing and driving crazy. This is young and old folks. Middle class. And I live in a good section of town. Come to think of it, if I had a gun I would probably start using it to warn off those dudes cranking out the too loud music or doing burnouts on the road. Or encourage that family to move out that started up drug dealing and cars were coming all hours of the night. I guess I could use a gun and justify it was just for my protection.

Watching Thomas
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In the U.S. and was raised in Texas, before the Yankee intrusion, when it was still legal to holster a handgun on the hip and to carry it on the hip.
The current Governor has vowed to get a biil through the the State Legislature because the crime rate has soared since one must be licensed and keep it covered, that is dangerous. If bad people can see the gun they know to leave you be or they may be shot.
 
Edward said:
I kind of feel like if someone has the perspective of one either chooses God for defense of them and their loved ones, or chooses a gun to help make it easier, and there isn't any in-between (!), as if it's either God or guns, but not both...that, that person has probably not ever been in a situation where there was real danger to self or loved ones. Otherwise, they would know that even with a gun, ohhh there's plenty of room to have faith in God and have a gun. Just because one has a gun doesn't mean that they do not have faith in God! And having a gun doesn't guarantee that they win either. It is in no way a lack of faith to own and carry a gun for defense. You could miss, they could be all hopped up on meth or something to where even if you do shoot them and get a good hit, they still might not stop the attack for several minutes and they still have the ability to kill you or your wife, you may be outnumbered. So many variables and things could happen that a gun just might not be enough. You'd need God with you anyway to be able to live and take your family home instead of to the morgue. God be with me!

I've had a few real close calls. My wife was about 7 or 8 months pregnant and two guys tried to strong arm us. They were going to, but I happened to have my pistol on me and it defused the entire situation. Suddenly we were all friends. No one got hurt. That's the real goal. The key to carrying a pistol for defense is that you use it in such a way that you do not have to shoot anyone. (Like having an insurance policy. You don't really want to use it and file a claim...) In order to approach carrying a gun for defense, and the goal is to not shoot anyone unless you are forced to...takes a whoe lotta faith in God, Brother!!

True enough, that people are not the enemy. We fight against evil spirits and principalities. This is a spiritual war. However! Evil spirits can be rebuked with the name of Jesus.. can people? Usually not. So in that case, you kind of need something. It's not a lack of faith. To me, it takes more faith to go armed than it does to go defenseless. This is because I want to get off of this planet without ever having to shoot or kill a man. So the gun and a whole lotta faith. Even King David had a weapon. King David was a man after God's own heart.

My understanding is that King David slew tens of thousands of people. He prolly had full armor and a sword for going into battle. A man after God's own heart. Protect his people. I wonder if King David had a lack of faith? David did have faith and God was with David. That's why he won, and not the sword...but he did have it.

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AMEN! The trouble is that people see movies and they believe it is easy to kill someone else. It is for a Psychopath but a normal man does not ever want my nightmares and most people that carry already know that and it is a great restrainer. Shooting a man and sitting or standing there and watching the life run out of his face that remains with you in the night until Jesus plucks a man out of here or until one dies and goes to Hell to await the judgment. And because the final judgment is unto the Lake of fire, I'm not at all sure the dreams would not be part of their torment. [edited]
 
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civilwarbuff said:
Come on up to Ohio Bill, open carry is legal here.........
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Been there and the winters a biter and when it hits 40 degrees I am frozen. God put me together to enjoy working in 100 degree weather. I enjoyed the young ladies in Cincinnati but I'm married now and those excursions were only in the Summer months. I appreciate the offer, you folks are very nice and pleasant but just as I have trouble getting past my past, I also can't get that ice storm in the fifties and my subtropical body say no thank you.
 
th1b.taylor said:
AMEN! The trouble is that people see movies and they believe it is easy to kill someone else. It is for a Psychopath but a normal man does not ever want my nightmares and most people that carry already know that and it is a great restrainer. Shooting a man and sitting or standing there and watching the life run out of his face that remains with you in the night until Jesus plucks a man out of here or until one dies and goes to Hell to await the judgment. And because the final judgment is unto the Lake of fire, I'm not at all sure the dreams would not be part of their torment. [edited]
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I have two nig reasons why I want to make it through life on this earth without ever killing anyone. The first is obvious, that God doesn't want us to in general and besides the people are not the enemy, it is the evil spirits tormenting the people into behaving badly...the other reason is very practical and one which many people probably have not even thought of...the fact that shooting and killing someone will affect you psychologically, and not in a good way. It changes you to kill someone. I don't want that. I heard a pretty good defense story where a guy took his wife out for dinner and on the way back to the car, three guys approached them with knives to rob them. But the man was armed, saw the danger to him & his wife so drew and neatly shot all three of them. He was found justified, it was a clear cut case of self defense.

But his wife left him over the incident. She did appreciate that he saved her life, but said that she can't look at him anymore without seeing him shooting and killing people. That hit her hard. What a sad ending to a good case of self defense.

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned are Angels. In a lot of testimonies, people describe Seeing Angels in visions, or in the third heaven when they are caught up, and many of the Angels are armed with swords. Now what in the world (or Heaven) would an Angel need a sword for? Are they not walking with God? Is heaven not safe? I read about one Angel who came down and slew 185, 000 Syrian soldiers in one night. So Angels are not to be messed with...and yet, many of them have swords. That's a pert good endorsement of going out armed AND keeping ones faith in God.

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