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Allen Wynne said:
Oh really?
I believe a gun was used to kill an abortion doctor in Florida.
Does your Christianity allow you to feel justified?
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The dead babies count at over 58 million now sense 1972 Self protection and family protection are not even close to hunting down a abortion murder and then acting justes on him. That act is not justified .. Tell bet he did not kill any more after that :)
 
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Allen Wynne said:
Bill, you are always ready to use your gun(s).
I hope you don't make a mistake someday.
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You have dove off the cliff, hoping the water doesn't break your neck, old friend. Holding a gun does not mean shooting someone and shooting an aggressor does not mean to remember your training and to shoot Center Mass. Shoulder and leg shots at ten foot or less are perfectly acceptable. Watch some creeps rape my wife is not
 
Allen Wynne said:
King David was just that, a King.
Jesus is our king.
We should follow the ways of our king, not an Old Testament Jewish king.
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The LORD of the Bible, (the Jewish Bible) is Jesus. (Jon, 3:1-3) The 27 books of the, misnamed, New Testament are life application commentaries on the Bible Jesus wrote!
 
one can severely restrict abortion, even ban it....and abortions still happen, and the women involved often die as a result, or are permanently injured...especially poor and working class women.

based on what's happened in Australia, for instance, it does seem that severely restricting access to guns reduce the number of deaths due to gun violence (or...human violence involving guns, if you prefer....) considerably.
 
I have nothing against people legally owning a gun.
A piano is not more or less Christian that is a gun. Those are things. Christians are people.
In Jesus' day the gun was a sword. Same thing.
A hymnal isn't Christian. It's something Christians use.
Things aren't Christian.
Cars kill more people than do guns.
So does cancer.
And heart disease.
And old age.

Up with guns! Down with cars and cancer!
 
Christ_empowered said:
one can severely restrict abortion, even ban it....and abortions still happen, and the women involved often die as a result, or are permanently injured...especially poor and working class women.

based on what's happened in Australia, for instance, it does seem that severely restricting access to guns reduce the number of deaths due to gun violence (or...human violence involving guns, if you prefer....) considerably.
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Yes and other murders still happen.. Should we then legalize other murders?
 
Christ_empowered said:
one can severely restrict abortion, even ban it....and abortions still happen, and the women involved often die as a result, or are permanently injured...especially poor and working class women.

based on what's happened in Australia, for instance, it does seem that severely restricting access to guns reduce the number of deaths due to gun violence (or...human violence involving guns, if you prefer....) considerably.
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Here's what's terribly wrong with your analysis:

one can severely restrict sexually abusing children, even ban it....and the sexual abuse of children will still happen, and the perpetrators involved could die as a result (this has happened), or are permanently injured (this has happened)...

If abortion is the killing of innocent human beings (it is) is doesn't matter one ounce if a woman dies as a result of illegal killing a developing human (if abortions were illegal). The fact that women will die isn't a reason to keep it legal to kill unborn human beings. That's a similar argument to making child sexual abuse legal to make sure nothing bad happens to the rapists.
 
Christ_empowered said:
one can severely restrict abortion, even ban it....and abortions still happen, and the women involved often die as a result, or are permanently injured...especially poor and working class women.

based on what's happened in Australia, for instance, it does seem that severely restricting access to guns reduce the number of deaths due to gun violence (or...human violence involving guns, if you prefer....) considerably.
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Culture, by your argument in Japan and those states your right to unlawful search and seizure isn't the same as in the u.s. .also the fact that your ignoring the high rate of knife attacks in those countries.
 
Allen Wynne you must have realized you were presenting a controversial opinion. Your response to opposing points of view seems a little over the top. You have your opinion about owning a gun. Great. If you're going to take the next step of criticizing gun owners who want to protect their loved ones, you are really setting yourself up for a backlash.

This is one of those topics that scripture can be used to support and refute using a gun in defense of yourself or your family. I personally don't see anything in scripture that clearly forbids use of force for defensive measures in proportion to the level of threat. If someone does not feel they are being convicted by the Holy Spirit not to own a gun for defense of family, I cannot see chastising them for it.

You say we should place our faith in God; not guns. Would you apply this reasoning to taking medication? What about having a recommended operation? Does your willingness to accept these interventions indicate a lack of faith? I don't believe they do.
 
Christ_empowered said:
one can severely restrict abortion, even ban it....and abortions still happen, and the women involved often die as a result, or are permanently injured...especially poor and working class women.

based on what's happened in Australia, for instance, it does seem that severely restricting access to guns reduce the number of deaths due to gun violence (or...human violence involving guns, if you prefer....) considerably.
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Neither You, I nor any other will ever stop evil. there are nations all around the world that refuse to allow their peoples to defend themselves with a gun and yet I have never hear one of the anti-gun proponents use their decreased murder rate as a reason to base our national policy on... makes one wonder.

Mike said:
Allen Wynne you must have realized you were presenting a controversial opinion. Your response to opposing points of view seems a little over the top. You have your opinion about owning a gun. Great. If you're going to take the next step of criticizing gun owners who want to protect their loved ones, you are really setting yourself up for a backlash.
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He knew, he is trying trash talking as one or more members here do to excite people, he's not stupid.
 
Allen Wynne said:
I'm against guns. I don't think they are Christian, unless you are a hunter for food or live in the wilderness for protection against wild animals.
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How about protection against thugs, murderers, rapists, arsonists, rioters, etc.?
Allen Wynne said:
I just support the right to bear arms.
But that's a worldly thing, not a Christian thing.
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Jesus said: "...he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." (Luke 22:36b)
 
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