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Jim Parker said:
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control beginning in 1919. In 1938 gun restrictions laws were changed to apply only to handguns. Also in 1938 Jews were barred from manufacturing and selling firearms, as well as from possessing any weapons, including knives. Then from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, who were unable to defend themselves, they were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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The number of defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because, as a result of gun control, were unable to defend themselves: 56 million.
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Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! (“There is an American with a gun behind every bade of grass!”)

Every able-bodied male in Switzerland is officially in the army reserve between the ages of 20 and 50. To insure that they are perform their duties if called on to do so:

- SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY RESERVIST A FULL-AUTOMATIC “ASSAULT WEAPON” WHICH HE KEEP N HIS HOME WITH HIS BASIC LOAD OF AMMUNITION!

- SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT, TO WHOM THEY ISSUE A WEAPON, ON HOW TO USE THAT WEAPON.

And yet: SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

Maybe it’s the chocolate.
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hello Jim Parker, dirtfarmer here

It is time for Americans to drink hot chocolate rather than the "koolaide" from the liberals.
 
Christ_empowered said:
i dunno. clearly, im not a gun person. never have been, never will be. i have been attacked before and...i dunno. in that case, i dont know if a gun (or other weapon) would have been a good or bad thing, honestly. people get attacked, afterall. sometimes, a gun helps. other times, the situation ends up escalating beyond what might have happened otherwise.
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So from all of this it seems safe to assume you have never been attacked while wearing a gun and it is true that any time I would wear mine or put on the seat of my car, people, even one very surprised yankee from. I believe it was Michigun, decided he did not want to educate me con how to drive down town just for me putting my hand on the grip. Guns, absolutely do deter crime.

i just see that nations w/ more stringent gun control laws have fewer people dying from gun-related violence. then again, the us is currently flooded with guns. a story hit a local paper somewhat recently about a place in part of the state where a dude was busted for stockpiling all kinds of guns, from all over the country, and selling them to shady people. guns he'd sold people had been involved in crimes all over the us. my best guess is that there's so many guns in the us right now, even if we put some kind of hardcore ban on guns, there'd be enough floating around for criminals and deviants to use for their purposes for decades to come.
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I speak only to the bolded in red. You are comparing apples to grapes and that is a complete error. The only way anyone can compare gun violence to any other nation is deaths per capita. And that is still incorrect because the guns are not availablle, say, in England or Germany and the relation must be the violent Death Rate and that per capita.

what's interesting to me, just as a side note, is that violent crime rates are down overall in the us. i mean, even where i live, the crime rates have fallen enough for some much-needed sentencing reform. more probation for less serious crimes, they adjusted prison sentences for more serious crimes, in line with available data. good stuff. and yet...it seems like we have gun related --mass-- shootings on a fairly regular basis. that's frightening. its also frightening that its become so (relatively) common that its almost as if its becoming part of the culture now. what's that about?
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Sentences need to include at Hard Labor. My older brother served on sentence on the Chain Gang and never returned.
The truth is Recidivism, per Capita, is much worse than it was before Federal Judge William Wayne Justice ruled that working at Hard Labor was a cruel and unusual punishment. and he did this when I earned my wife and children's living as a Carpenter, under the sun in Texas and when it froze I had to use my Rig Ax to beat the ice off and pray I didn't miss a spot. ¿cruel and unusual punishment? And I wasn't even in Jail!
 
In 1996 a massacre in Tasmania left 35 people dead, and caused Australia to establish draconian gun control laws. They literally rounded up, destroyed and banned guns.

Its amazing when someone flips out its millions of senceible respectable gun owners fault.

Thats how the system works, they use the very very minimal negatives to take away everyones privelages, rights, freedoms. Its ban after ban after ban.
 
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th1b.taylor said:
OOOOH! The classes I took on how to make a bomb with household items. The military, some times, goes overboard with training. I'll bet you didn't know that you can make a concussion device using Flour for the explosive.
The Army had and has some neat stuff to know.
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Teach me :D
 
Classik said:
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Teach me :biggrin
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No! I was trusted and I will not, even, each my youngest son what I know about explosive, disruptive techniques. They were taught to me for resistance if captured and they have no other reason in civilian life. If you wish to know them, enlist in the Army or the Marines and take the class when it is offered.
 
th1b.taylor said:
No! I was trusted and I will not, even, each my youngest son what I know about explosive, disruptive techniques. They were taught to me for resistance if captured and they have no other reason in civilian life. If you wish to know them, enlist in the Army or the Marines and take the class when it is offered.
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Hahahahaha.
 
Attorney Alan Gura has scored another huge win for civil rights in today’s Wrenn v. DC decision out of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal District of Columbia Circuit (you know, the one Harry Reid blew up the fillibuster for in order to load it up with Progressive judges amenable to Obama’s “pen-and-a-phone” style of governance).

Wrenn v. DC, decided today, was a 2-1 decision by the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. The decision invalidates the District of Columbia’s prohibitionist “good reason” constraint on the lawful carry of arms in public for purposes of self-defense.


Circuit Judge Thomas B. Griffith (appointed by George W. Bush in 2005, 63 years old) and Senior Circuit Judge Stephen F. Williams (appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1986, 80 years old) signed off on the majority opinion, and Circuit Judge Karen L. Henderson (appointed by George H.W. Bush in 1990, 73 years old) wrote a dissent.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/0...d:+LegalInsurrection+(Le·gal+In·sur·rec·tion)
 
Mike said:
Allen Wynne you must have realized you were presenting a controversial opinion. Your response to opposing points of view seems a little over the top. You have your opinion about owning a gun. Great. If you're going to take the next step of criticizing gun owners who want to protect their loved ones, you are really setting yourself up for a backlash.

This is one of those topics that scripture can be used to support and refute using a gun in defense of yourself or your family. I personally don't see anything in scripture that clearly forbids use of force for defensive measures in proportion to the level of threat. If someone does not feel they are being convicted by the Holy Spirit not to own a gun for defense of family, I cannot see chastising them for it.

You say we should place our faith in God; not guns. Would you apply this reasoning to taking medication? What about having a recommended operation? Does your willingness to accept these interventions indicate a lack of faith? I don't believe they do.
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No Mike , I think you are over the top.
You blame me for the anger that comes from people on this forum.
You take their side, saying Scripture can be used to support Christians owning guns?
I don't see any Scripture.
 
Mike said:
I'll be honest, Allen. I feel like you're either purposely baiting the participants into reacting, or you're being way too sensitive. To dirtfarmer's point, I see respectful disagreement. Are people spewing hate if they don't agree with you?
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Well, you and dirt Farmer have been sitting at your computers too long.
All these comments are pointed at me.
Maybe you're use to that.
I thought I might find some people who were interested in knowing how I could place such strong trust in God edited violation of 2.4 reba
 
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Jim Parker said:
I suspect that someone who would say you are not trusting God has never been in a situation in which having a gun would have prevented violence.
If guns were unnecessary for protection then police wouldn't carry them.
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Do we have a Christian police force?
Please, get serious and post something worth reading.
 
So this is all I get from the OP.
People want to defend using guns, disregard for Scripture (as I will point out in a moment), using abortion and other nasty things as an attack against me, throwing statistics of gun use at me as though that were the issue.
Some people don't understand an OP.
Owning a gun for protection is a right in the United States.
All that does is make you Americans, not Christians.
What do you do, tell Jesus to get out of the way as you shoot someone down?
Do you then say, "Thank you Jesus, I killed the enemy, see, I didn't need you".

What does the Bible really say about Christians owning weapons for their protection?
The answer is nothing.

It does say 2 Corinthians 10:4;
For the weapons of our warfare are not those of the world.

Ephesians 6:10-20;
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, that you may be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming missiles of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, 19 and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

But equally important, let these verses sink into your heart.

Hebrews 13:6;
So we say with confidence,
“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?”

Philippians 4:19;
And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:7;
For we live by faith, not by sight.

James 1:6;
But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.


What I see in these responses to me is Americanism, known in any country as nationalism.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.
You are Americans first and foremost, and your Christianity comes 2nd.
How can you possibly put guns 1st in your lives instead of the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Jesus never taught the use of guns, you won't find it in the New Testament.
 
Allen Wynne said:
Well, you and dirt Farmer have been sitting at your computers too long.
All these comments are pointed at me.
Maybe you're use to that.
I thought I might find some people who were interested in knowing how I could place such strong trust in God edited violation of 2.4 reba
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hello Allen Wynne, dirtfarmer here

Thanks for reminding me that I am stuck to my computer chair, will try to unglue myself in order to take a break and clear my mind.
 
Be advised that this thread best take a turn toward a more civil discussion right quick or it will be locked and disciplinary actions may be taken. Act like the Christians you claim to be and be nice to one another.
 
The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16-19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly three times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash.May 12, 2017
 
Unfortunately, fatal car crashes are one of the top causes of death among teens in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease ...

The day anti gun advocates fight to keep teens from being able to drive is the day I take them seriously about gun control. I won't even mention abortion. Oops , too late.
 
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