AirDancer
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And that's one of the reasons why the bill was pulled from consideration.
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Has the LORD confused the GOP party?
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And that's one of the reasons why the bill was pulled from consideration.
ezra
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so you dont think both parties should work together ?
ezra
Member
they are to work for our benefit..not their own. the so called Gop is not as conservative as they claim. in some ways the like to put the screw to the working person. the Democratic party say they stand for the working man..----share the wealth tax every thing they can then turn around and give it away. i think the constitution reads we the people i find it hard to vote for the Democrat they are to liberal . both sides have good ideas
Christ_empowered
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I lean left for a lot of reasons. Compared to what goes in Canada and Europe, we don't have many liberals in the US. Even Bernie Sanders would be considered somewhat conservative in some European nations.
So...I dunno. I like social programs. I don't like all these "peace keeping" missions and "humanitarian interventions" that some Demz seem to go for. I'm all for regulating Wall Street and single payer health care. I'm not fond of gay marriage, trans-stuff, or abortion, but with a 2 party system...that all comes with avoiding the GOP. I also don't like how the GOP politicos will hold a Bible and then proceed to make life for "the least of these" even more difficult. I am happy that Trump is anti-TPP.
My basic impression is that the Dems just want to take the edge off the capitalist system with some social programs, while today's GOP wants to shred the safety net. The problem with the latter approach is that the safety net helps keep the economy (and society) stable. You know why late 19th century Germany started disability insurance, old age pensions, etc.? The very real threat of a bona fide socialist gov't. True story. Think about it.
So...I dunno. I like social programs. I don't like all these "peace keeping" missions and "humanitarian interventions" that some Demz seem to go for. I'm all for regulating Wall Street and single payer health care. I'm not fond of gay marriage, trans-stuff, or abortion, but with a 2 party system...that all comes with avoiding the GOP. I also don't like how the GOP politicos will hold a Bible and then proceed to make life for "the least of these" even more difficult. I am happy that Trump is anti-TPP.
My basic impression is that the Dems just want to take the edge off the capitalist system with some social programs, while today's GOP wants to shred the safety net. The problem with the latter approach is that the safety net helps keep the economy (and society) stable. You know why late 19th century Germany started disability insurance, old age pensions, etc.? The very real threat of a bona fide socialist gov't. True story. Think about it.
Not shred,13 percent of my income with a return of .003 percent and my death ,if it were happen today ,would have my wife only getting my ss.I do have life insurance
Ss is fully taxable per clinton.meaning if you make enough you pay taxes from the very thing they taxed you to give back to you!
Unless fixed in 2023 ,a mere 6 years ss won't be able pay all of those retirees.my wife will switch to the ss from disability.
th1b.taylor
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Have you ever done Satan's Holiday? After you had enough candy was it enough? The answer, of course, is no and grown up men and women are, exactly, the same way on the Liberal side of the equation, they get and they want more and more and more until the weight of wanting crashes the system and it is not their fault. Your idea of righteousness is not righteous.
Deborah13
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Sounds rather like a combination of Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders.
I was listening to a guy talk about how the democrats were trying to usher in to a one world government. Maybe thats why the Russian president was threatning people to vote for trump.
I believe because after listening to the hour program and all his reasons for saying so, I was convinced. Trump was a big foil in their plans. PTL.
Really, tho, is socialized medicine so bad? Are canada and europe struggling? Not familiar with the single payer system. It just seems there is no other way to get rid of the exhorbitant medical costs nowadays since so many are invested in it. Especially big pharma. And the politicians have stock in it! There is no solution because it is free enterprise, and the only way is for the gov stick there nose in it. If America is too big for other possibilities as some say, then maybe America can get put into sections, and just let each section operate on its own. Lol.
Well those are my rambling thoughts on the issue.
I believe because after listening to the hour program and all his reasons for saying so, I was convinced. Trump was a big foil in their plans. PTL.
Really, tho, is socialized medicine so bad? Are canada and europe struggling? Not familiar with the single payer system. It just seems there is no other way to get rid of the exhorbitant medical costs nowadays since so many are invested in it. Especially big pharma. And the politicians have stock in it! There is no solution because it is free enterprise, and the only way is for the gov stick there nose in it. If America is too big for other possibilities as some say, then maybe America can get put into sections, and just let each section operate on its own. Lol.
Well those are my rambling thoughts on the issue.
ezra
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he had no effect on my vote or my family we are becoming a divided nation
AirDancer
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He had no effect on my vote either.
Isn't it interesting that the Russian brouhaha is tossed solely at the Trump campaign, considering that it was the connections between the Russians and the Clinton Foundation that had come to light at about the time we now learn the Feds started investigating the Trump campaign for connections.
At that time, there were discussions even here at CFnet's Current Events & Politics where the Clinton Foundation/Russian connections were being discussed, and the more liberal members brought up the fact that we are not in the midst of a Cold War any longer, and that Russia is not our enemy.
Curious how time changes perspectives. And now Russia is our alleged enemy who forced their way to affect how American citizens voted.
The Dems/libs/progressives are desperate. And far too many of them do not care one hoot about the long-term effect of their desperations.
th1b.taylor
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As one human being that is actively confined to a small American example of Socialized Medicine known as the VA. I am schedualed to see my Primary Care Doctor once every year and if I need any special need during that time, it is months before I can be seen, except it is an emergency such as one of my heart attacks. Because it is such a small sample, you will need at least and likely much larger a facotr of multiplication of ten because we do not see doctors, we see students znd students operate on us like Lab Rats. One of those students put my dad into a body cast until the day he passed over.
And that kind of care is what you desire?
stovebolts
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Not true.
People kill babies. Some are democrates, some are republicans.
Some are atheists, some are Christians.
People were killing babies well before abortion was legal.
ezra
Member
trump is no angle ..he has inherited many enemies and i really think obama is behind a lot of it ..how about when obama tried influence Israel election? what is the difference
AirDancer
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I agree with you on these issues. Mr Trump isn't an angel, and he has indeed inherited many enemies. He's also made enemies enough of his own, including many in the Dem party to whom he used to donate money for their campaigns. (As a businessman, he understood the necessities of those donations.)
If Mrs Clinton had won the election, as she was predicted to do even during the evening when state results were being called, there would have been none of this about Russia going on. However, because of the unexpected loss by Mrs Clinton, we're going to be hearing a lot about Russia, along with a host of other nonsense.
The desperation is real for those on the left of the center.
daninthelionsden
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After looking into New Zealand's healthcare system for our son, I'm fairly impressed. They emphasize the ethical aspects rather than the financial. American healthcare is mainly about finances and it is big big money. With America serving as an example of a financial based healthcare and Cuba serving as an example of a universal healthcare system, I think New Zealand serves as an example of a compromise of the two with an option to bypass the whole thing. That is if you have the cash.
th1b.taylor
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I have single payer and, as rough as it is, I am not sore about it but rather praise God for it. The thing is that from the instant Adam bit into that fruit, whatever it was, man has have the curse of the natural death hanging over us. It has become a natural part of our lives and I do not understand the Believer's resistance to it. The moment I pass over, I will be present with Jesus and Father God. Paul said it best, to die is gain, to live is Christ.
Not_Now.Soon
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I agree. Was God in Babylon when it conquered Israel? Only afterward was the king of Babylon faced with God's power, protection, and rebukes. We can see this from reading Danial. Yet God used Babylon to rebuke Israel of what it had become.
With regard to healthcare and the GOP, we will see what happens.
How do you claim to be pro-life if you elect leaders who openly state they will promote free abortions for any reason?