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[Gary]

What do you say you list the reasons why someone who was born again would walk away from the Lord,

James 5
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


I wonder if James had a list when he wrote that?

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[jasonc]

The implications are that on the OSAS side, ultimately sin doesn't matter even if they tell you it does. There is loss of nothing. Either side will ultimately determine our behavior in this life. I believe obedience is a key factor, because without it, a person does not love the Lord, people who do not love the Lord are not His disciples because a disciple will love the Lord.

you need to really listen to that link I sent. pastor roger said, YOUR faith aint REAL if you aint doing the commands of the LORD. that includes repentance!

 

[iLOVE]

Why so you can tell us that our sins today don't matter? That we can just go on and not admit and repent of them? So you can tell is that obedience doesn't matter either?

No thanks.

The scripture says it like this, "The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 NLT

 

[Jesse]

The scripture says it like this, "The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 NLT

If only you were teaching the real message of the cross, instead you're presenting a skewed and unbalanced opinion. So yeah, listening to what you have presented would be foolish and dangerous.

Sin matters.

 

[Jesse]

you need to really listen to that link I sent. pastor roger said, YOUR faith aint REAL if you aint doing the commands of the LORD. that includes repentance!

Now this is talking some sense. I haven't had a chance to visit the site, but I will. Thanks for posting it.

It sounds refreshing from what has been presented here.

 

[Jesse]

Jesse, I think there is a misunderstanding about the word repent. Others are not saying they should not repent of sin. Repent means literally "to change your mind." It does not mean to ask forgiveness.

Exo 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
This is Moses talking to the Lord asking Him to repent and not destroy the Hebrew people and the Lord repented.
Moses must have been a righteous man, the fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

No misunderstanding on my part, I agree, repentance is a complete turn around and an agreement with God that the sin is not good and should be dropped. It is only in Him that this can be done, grace is the empowerment to do just that.

If sin is not dealt with, spiritual growth is hindered and there is a great danger that unrepentant sin can drive us further and further away from God, even to apostasy.

 

[Jesse]

Jesse, I've read your posts and I'm listening to what you are saying and I understand where you are coming from, here is what I see, ...you are trying to reconcile what seems to be contrasting, contradictory or opposing verses in the Word, by looking at them with just one set of eyes, and yes that is confusing and frustrating, but, if we look at them through two sets of eyes will we see the harmony and will be at peace.

There are two different people inside of us who are born again, the natural carnal man who Paul says cannot understand the Spiritual Truth and the regenerated man who does understand Spiritual Truth, I have already given you two hints to help you with this, first Abraham was declared righteous by God and yet he sinned after he was righteous and Paul who said if I sin it's no longer me, but sin in me.

So go back and look at the verses that confuse you or frustrate you and look at them as either for the natural man in us or for the righteous man in us.

Example:

If we sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Just.
Speaking to the carnal man or the righteous man? Carnal...

Whoever is born of God does not sin.
Speaking to the carnal man or righteous man? Righteous....

And yet we do both, because there are two different people living inside of us.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:20

Appropriate that verse into your heart and rest in peace and harmony with your Heavenly Father, ...confusion always come from the devil.

Abundant blessings brother

You're right, I have not reconciled these verses, which is why I started the other thread on sin, is it conquered or unconquered. It seems that with God's grace and what some of the verses say and with Christ IN us, that sin can be overcome for good.

You stated in that thread that you do sin and it seems that to you, sin does matter and is not a good thing, although here it seems you are presenting it differently.

Do we still have 2 natures? Because I believe we have a new nature, the old is gone the new is here. That is another question for another thread maybe.

 

[Willie T]

IF I sin, God convicts me.

"When" I sin, God has already forgiven me... and I gratefully thank Him for that.

 

[mswright6488]

Let us teach In LOVE guys... (smiles) Thank you all for your honest replies to me. I so appreciate them all.

 

[iLOVE]

All sins have consequences. And obiedence brings the blessing. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 

[Willie T]

All sins have consequences. And obiedence brings the blessing. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

What????????
You mean that when people were sinning a lot, God didn't come down on them with condemnation, but extended Grace in forgiveness?
Well, whadda ya know about that?!?!

How unlike us.
Thank you.... beautiful post.

 

[Deborah13]

No misunderstanding on my part, I agree, repentance is a complete turn around and an agreement with God that the sin is not good and should be dropped. It is only in Him that this can be done, grace is the empowerment to do just that.

If sin is not dealt with, spiritual growth is hindered and there is a great danger that unrepentant sin can drive us further and further away from God, even to apostasy.

I agree with you about repentance and grace.
And I do think that Heb. 10:26-29 is talking about apostasy and from that scripture think that it is possible for a believer to become apostate, turning away from the Christian faith/Gospel, to some other religious system whether it be atheism, Buddhism, whatever...

 

[Edward]

Ya got it bro, if it's impossible to be unborn once we are born physically, then it's impossible to become unborn once we are born again.

If we plug that truth in to those that have stopped walking with the Lord then they were never born again, ...the seed that sprang up but didn't have any root, ...that's what Jesus taught.

Let's look at the choice of not being a Christian any more, is that possible in a regenerated Child of God?

What do you say you list the reasons why someone who was born again would walk away from the Lord, (you, because I can't personally think of any ) and then we'll compare them with the Word?

Why would the impossibility of being unborn physically make it impossible for the spirit to be?

That makes sense.

In a regenerated child of God? Probably not possible like you say, however, are we regenerated at the moment that we're initially born again? We are not. The renewing and regeneration comes over a period of time. Some hang in there, others backslide. We always have the potential to be able to turn our backs on God. Our free will and ability to make choices are still in place.

List the reasons that someone would walk away from the Lord? How in the world could i list them when it seems to me that it'd take a moron to turn his back on God. I don't think about those things, I'm tying to stay on the narrow path. Deborah gave you a pretty good answer there, I agree with her. I think perhaps that the lusts of the heart and flesh tempt people away from God more than is realized or admitted (people like to think ;it's not their fault').

 

[Jesse]

I agree with you about repentance and grace.
And I do think that Heb. 10:26-29 is talking about apostasy and from that scripture think that it is possible for a believer to become apostate, turning away from the Christian faith/Gospel, to some other religious system whether it be atheism, Buddhism, whatever...

And I agree with you. It's dangerous to ignore what Jesus has said about sin and the apostasy. We can't keep preaching that sin doesn't matter, imo.

 

[Jesse]

What????????
You mean that when people were sinning a lot, God didn't come down on them with condemnation, but extended Grace in forgiveness?
Well, whadda ya know about that?!?!

How unlike us.
Thank you.... beautiful post.

You mean when he opened up a giant hole in the ground and 1,000's of people fell into it to their deaths because of their sin.

Let's start preaching what the Bible actually says and stop creating man made doctrines and leading people away from the Truth of His judgement.

 

[Deborah13]

"When" I sin, God has already forgiven me... and I gratefully thank Him for that.

:yes

 

[Jesse]

"When" I sin, God has already forgiven me... and I gratefully thank Him for that.

I'll let all the young Christians here at college know that they can go ahead and have pre-marital sex, booze all night, and have a good old time because their sins won't matter. God does not expect anything out of them and none of their sins will have any implications because every time they have sex with yet another partner it's all good and forgiven.

They will also be grateful.

 

[Eugene]

Due to continued suggestions of Christians not telling the truth, this thread is at least temporarily closed for review. This is a Christian forum and different doctrinal opinions other than prohibited subjects made known in our ToS are not only allowed, but encouraged. Thanks to those who have conducted yourselves in the love of Christ in this thread.