Gary
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That's the imaginary message one gets when they read between the lines. It's amazing some of the stuff that comes out of those blank spaces.
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Having our name blotted out....
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That's the imaginary message one gets when they read between the lines. It's amazing some of the stuff that comes out of those blank spaces.
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What implications will our future sins have?
Deborah13
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Post #71 'Like'
God does not look at the outer man, He looks at our hearts. The unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and is a way (the way?) that one could be 'unborn again' as you said. This involves rejecting the Holy Spirit and giving up ones faith in God. It happens. Like Fish Catcher Jim said, not making Him Lord of your life.
Wait a minute now, if I'm born again and the Holy Spirit is living inside of me how can I commit the unpardonable sin, ...I have already accepted the testimony the Holy Spirit has given me concerning the Jesus and the Gospel, again I propose the question, how can I become unborn, ...consider this, how can we become unborn physically?
You've lost me, it sounds to me from your post # 67 you were saying the Cross didn't cover all of my sins, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I am surprised some are so quick to judge the intent of others as false. God has received them.
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
1 Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. Is this to obtain eternal life which we already have?
1 Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
If we already have Jesus as our Savior, what is there left to obtain in winning Him?
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
1 Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. Is this to obtain eternal life which we already have?
1 Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
If we already have Jesus as our Savior, what is there left to obtain in winning Him?
Gary
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That's not what I said. The comment below is a reference point for most of my posts here.
"If all your sins were blotted out at the cross, then there is no sin left that could get your name removed from His book."
I am surprised others do not believe sin has any implications, this is absolutely shocking to me, I am surrounded by Christians who believe our sins are not seen by God and they have NO implications. First of all, sin separates us from God - that's the largest adherence.
The implications of sin can be anywhere from being disciplined by the Lord, to a complete falling into sin, which sin leads to death by the way, and being so enveloped by sin, that person walks away and rejects the Lord all together. Which would cause their name to be blotted from the Book of Life. Not sure how a person can not believe this, it's written there in black and white.
Please do not say that I just said one sin will send us to hell, I am not saying that. My attempt is to get people to see that sin is not good, that sin matters.
It IS false when we have people in this thread claiming that their sin is not being seen by God and that it doesn't matter if sin is committed because God is blind and can not see it. If it's blotted, then how can we sin. If it's covered then why are we instructed to ask God for forgiveness? Why did Jesus tell us to pray in such a way that we ask for forgiveness for our trespasses?
We have been instructed in this thread that it is unnecessary to repent of our sins - I cant even imagine how a person ignores their sin all the while God is convicting us of them.
All of this Jesus taught and when it is reiterated here, we get accused of being false teachers.
Maybe I have this reversed, but why would you sin on purpose and need forgiveness while God has convicted you to not sin?
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Are you sinless?
When you sin do you think God ignores it or doesn't see it?
Yet John also said that whoever said he is without sin is a liar.
So which one is correct?
The question wasn't of me, but why if you're convicted to not sin do you sin on purpose? I gave my scriptural evidence as I understand it on the following post.
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...ur-name-blotted-out.57998/page-5#post-1050195
IF I sin, God convicts me.
And no one likes to admit it NOR admit that their are implications for those sins....
It's no wonder believers look like the world, can't tell the difference. I had a conversation with Chopper on here a week or so again about the church, I know he implied all this and now I know what he's talking about.
Edward
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By making the choice to not be a Christian anymore. There's 1 or 2 of them on this forum even. I wouldn't do it but some people have.
Physically? I dunno. I don't think that's possible.
Deborah13
Member
Jesse, I think there is a misunderstanding about the word repent. Others are not saying they should not repent of sin. Repent means literally "to change your mind." It does not mean to ask forgiveness.
Exo 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
This is Moses talking to the Lord asking Him to repent and not destroy the Hebrew people and the Lord repented.
Moses must have been a righteous man, the fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
Ya got it bro, if it's impossible to be unborn once we are born physically, then it's impossible to become unborn once we are born again.
If we plug that truth in to those that have stopped walking with the Lord then they were never born again, ...the seed that sprang up but didn't have any root, ...that's what Jesus taught.
Let's look at the choice of not being a Christian any more, is that possible in a regenerated Child of God?
What do you say you list the reasons why someone who was born again would walk away from the Lord, (you, because I can't personally think of any
) and then we'll compare them with the Word?Jesse, I've read your posts and I'm listening to what you are saying and I understand where you are coming from, here is what I see, ...you are trying to reconcile what seems to be contrasting, contradictory or opposing verses in the Word, by looking at them with just one set of eyes, and yes that is confusing and frustrating, but, if we look at them through two sets of eyes will we see the harmony and will be at peace.
There are two different people inside of us who are born again, the natural carnal man who Paul says cannot understand the Spiritual Truth and the regenerated man who does understand Spiritual Truth, I have already given you two hints to help you with this, first Abraham was declared righteous by God and yet he sinned after he was righteous and Paul who said if I sin it's no longer me, but sin in me.
So go back and look at the verses that confuse you or frustrate you and look at them as either for the natural man in us or for the righteous man in us.
Example:
If we sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Just.
Speaking to the carnal man or the righteous man? Carnal...
Whoever is born of God does not sin.
Speaking to the carnal man or righteous man? Righteous....
And yet we do both, because there are two different people living inside of us.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:20
Appropriate that verse into your heart and rest in peace and harmony with your Heavenly Father, ...confusion always come from the devil.
Abundant blessings brother
Deborah13
Member
Paul is talking to believers when he says these things.Ya got it bro, if it's impossible to be unborn once we are born physically, then it's impossible to become unborn once we are born again.
If we plug that truth in to those that have stopped walking with the Lord then they were never born again, ...the seed that sprang up but didn't have any root, ...that's what Jesus taught.
Let's look at the choice of not being a Christian any more, is that possible in a regenerated Child of God?
What do you say you list the reasons why someone who was born again would walk away from the Lord, (you, because I can't personally think of any
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Strong's G1596 - wilfully - only used twice in the NT
ἑκουσίως, adverb (from Euripides down), voluntarily, willingly, of one's own accord: Hebrews 10:26 (ἑκουσίως ἁμαρτάνειν (A. V. to sin willfully) is tacitly opposed to sins committed inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness); 1 Peter 5:2.
I believe this would be called apostasy.