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Heard the news? Homosexual Marriage is now the law of the land

reba said:
2Ch_7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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A promise made to Israel the people regarding Israel the land. The principle is valid, even applicable, were sin not such a Pandora once it's gotten out of the box. People, even Christian people will not DO what it takes to make this change. It usually takes a society-ending disaster. Sadly.
 
What if Christians only have a ceremony, married by pastor and a church document for marriage, but opt out of the legal part so we set ourselves apart??
 
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jeff77 said:
What if Christians only have a ceremony, married by pastor and a church document for marriage, but opt out of the legal part so we set ourselves apart??
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Yet that can made to work if the church also will divorce.there's that reality.how do deal with that? I'm against divorce but we can't force anyone to love or remain married. Beth din
 
JohnD said:
Um, then for that very same argument / reason God should never have blessed America in the first place.

Just because the ultimate judgment has not occurred or is involved in these lesser incidents does not make God out to be Deistically uninvolved.
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We all would like to believe God is involved in everything, when it's actually the god of this world doing all the destruction. Those that serve God are blessed, and God works through those that are his.
 
WIP said:
Legal matters. For example, that marriage license grants the couple to file "married" on their income taxes so they get a lower tax rate.
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You can get that via Doma being repealed.yup before this ruling doMA was reapealed.
 
WIP said:
What is Doma? I've never heard of this.
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defense of marriage act. if I was gay and married I can also get their benefits from social security and other federal insurance stuff. Tricare wasn't allowed to married gay service members until that act was repealed by the scotus
 
I don't have to be married to a lady to get this stuff;
power of attorney
put her in will or trust( my grandma had a dog in her trust and had money giving for his care)
medical poa
buy property with.
insurance.
life insurance beneficiary and retirement as well
 
jasonc said:
True. Common law does require a public ceremony so that one can know the difference.
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No, each state makes it's own requirements for common law. I don't know any that requires a ceremony. They do require that the couple present themselves in the community as husband and wife. Tell people they are married.
 
jasonc said:
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Yet that can made to work if the church also will divorce.there's that reality.how do deal with that? I'm against divorce but we can't force anyone to love or remain married. Beth din
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Common law marriage is legal but in order to divorce one must go through the courts.
 
WIP said:
Legal matters. For example, that marriage license grants the couple to file "married" on their income taxes so they get a lower tax rate.
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I believe being married also makes one responsible/liable for the actions of the other when it comes to property and debt. For example, when I was divorced from my first wife, our decree required her to file quit-claim deed for our house, which she never did. Thirteen years later, when I tried to sell the home, I was required to obtain her approval and signature. Fortunately, I hung on to the copy of our divorce decree specifying that she did not retain ownership of the home. I had to pay the cost of filing the appropriate papers to remove her name from the property before I could sell it. The cost was less than $50 so I chose not to press for legal action against her to recover that cost but I could have.

Because I had remarried, my current wife also had to give consent for me to sell the house. Likewise, if either of us want to use our home for collateral on a loan, the other must give consent.

I also believe that if one spouse runs up credit card debt and then does not pay, the other can be held liable.
 
WIP said:
I believe being married also makes one responsible/liable for the actions of the other when it comes to property and debt. For example, when I was divorced from my first wife, our decree required her to file quit-claim deed for our house, which she never did. Thirteen years later, when I tried to sell the home, I was required to obtain her approval and signature. Fortunately, I hung on to the copy of our divorce decree specifying that she did not retain ownership of the home. I had to pay the cost of filing the appropriate papers to remove her name from the property before I could sell it. The cost was less than $50 so I chose not to press for legal action against her to recover that cost but I could have.

Because I had remarried, my current wife also had to give consent for me to sell the house. Likewise, if either of us want to use our home for collateral on a loan, the other must give consent.

I also believe that if one spouse runs up credit card debt and then does not pay, the other can be held liable.
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A legal common law marriage grants all the same privileges as any other form of legal marriage, including filing income taxes.
Divorce is an entirely different matter. One cannot just walk out of a legal common law marriage. If they were to do that without getting a divorce and they remarried, the law would consider them a polygamist.
It's actually much more Biblical than getting permission from the government to marry.
But I still think it's a good idea to file a form, that both have signed, with the county of residency. If one were to die, then there is no question of property rights, etc. My daughter and her dh were married about 4 yrs. I think before his mom convinced them to file it with the court. She was concerned that, if he were to die, my daughter could run into problems with the government on taxation on the property. He owned the house and 80 acres before they married. He did add her name to the deed but you just never know what the government may do when it comes to collecting money.
 
So either way we really can't remove the government fully.in some states there be waiting periods for both divorce and marriage.
 
Deborah13 said:
A legal common law marriage grants all the same privileges as any other form of legal marriage, including filing income taxes.
Divorce is an entirely different matter. One cannot just walk out of a legal common law marriage. If they were to do that without getting a divorce and they remarried, the law would consider them a polygamist.
It's actually much more Biblical than getting permission from the government to marry.
But I still think it's a good idea to file a form, that both have signed, with the county of residency. If one were to die, then there is no question of property rights, etc. My daughter and her dh were married about 4 yrs. I think before his mom convinced them to file it with the court. She was concerned that, if he were to die, my daughter could run into problems with the government on taxation on the property. He owned the house and 80 acres before they married. He did add her name to the deed but you just never know what the government may do when it comes to collecting money.
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What I'm referring to is the question of what difference does it make that gays be allowed to get married. There's no true Christian church that will endorse or acknowledge their union as marriage so why does it matter to them that they can get a license and be recognized by the state as married? It matters financially and legally for the reasons I've mentioned as well as others I haven't but in reality their marriage is only valid from secular view.
 
WIP said:
What I'm referring to is the question of what difference does it make that gays be allowed to get married. There's no true Christian church that will endorse or acknowledge their union as marriage so why does it matter to them that they can get a license and be recognized by the state as married? It matters financially and legally for the reasons I've mentioned as well as others I haven't but in reality their marriage is only valid from secular view.
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I agree of coarse to the reality of that.
Unfortunately, there are some gays that believe that their union is sanctified by God and so they want it to be recognized by the church as a valid marriage, not just for legal reasons. So they are willing to force the issue with the church, even if they have to get laws passed to force it on the church.
 
Deborah13 said:
I agree of coarse to the reality of that.
Unfortunately, there are some gays that believe that their union is sanctified by God and so they want it to be recognized by the church as a valid marriage, not just for legal reasons. So they are willing to force the issue with the church, even if they have to get laws passed to force it on the church.
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Well they are plenty of persons willing to marry them.just not my church and others.
 
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