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ObjMoVa

ObjMoVa

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Hello everyone, It's good to find such an active christian forum. I'm excited to engage in some discussions about theology, religion, morality, evidence, and rationality!

I think the issues of morality are what motivate me most to be vocal about my position and to seek out people of faith. And I can't wait to here what everyone thinks about morals!
 
Awesome! Welcome :wave
I'd suggest reviewing our ToS so you know what is and isn't allowed to be discussed. The board is intended for those who aren't Christians to be able to enjoy and learn, too.:thumb
 
Welcome, glad to have you. Interesting avatar.

Like questdriven has said, we have strict rules here for everyone to abide by. But the rules are not the same for all forums so reading the main ToS is really important and reading the rules for each forum. Some are not open to everyone.
 
Just wanted to come back to this thread to thank everyone for the wonderful discussion so far! I'm really happy with how open most people have been to talk about their beliefs. It's always frustrating to hear "you just don't understand", and I haven't gotten too much of that yet.
 
As long as you remain within the forum rules you'll be fine. If you're truly here to learn about Christianity I believe you will find a wealth of informative and helpful members here.
 
A warm welcome. If you are wanting to learn about our religion, I'm sure plenty of members here will be able to answer any questions you may have.

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A warm welcome to our Forum. I am a Christian psychologist, and will be happy to answer any question that you might have.
 
ObjMoVa said:
Hello everyone, It's good to find such an active christian forum. I'm excited to engage in some discussions about theology, religion, morality, evidence, and rationality!

I think the issues of morality are what motivate me most to be vocal about my position and to seek out people of faith. And I can't wait to here what everyone thinks about morals!
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Welcome to the forum ObjMoVa.

That user name is unique, and it must be a compound of three words the way you created it. Can you elaborate on its meaning?

Interesting that you state "the issues of morality are what motivate me..."

I say that because whenever anyone speaks of morals, that is automatically a question of theology. By definition, morality is a system of values or rules of conduct, and the nature of those values and rules are imposed upon an otherwise reluctant population in order to secure the common good.

Therefore question that you ask is speculative when in the abstract, but it gets "messy" when those values and rules are made concrete, A HYPOTHETICAL would be the value of limiting a public beach in New Jersey to be "clothes optional" from October 31 to March 15. (late fall to early spring).

What are the inherent morals of the situation? Who imposes the morals? What about those who do not wish to view human nudity on a public beach, or have young impressionable children see it?

Those are examples of morals in the concrete, and yes, it is provocative. However, I am not attempting to narrow your open question down to one specific area, but I am merely taking your question, and putting some flesh on the skeleton to see if it is viable.
 
Well I already know about Jesus and his story, not everything mind you, but I feel I have working understanding. So if you mean information, then I already know him.

If you mean 'know' in a deeper way, like as in a personal relationship, then I haven't seen a good reason why I should put the energy into that. Many historical figures have said great things that resonate with me, MLK, the Dhali Lama, Ghandi etc. But I have never seen the need to close my eyes and talk to them every day.
 
Gods only begotten Son came to save you from your sins if you don't believe that you will die in your sins.. none of those other people laid claim to that..

tob

*edit: and they are all dead and yet Jesus lives
 
Interesting. I'm wondering about the Leviticus verse you chose to put in your signature. Not sure what translation that's from because none of translations I have access to use the word "utter". I hope you're not using that verse to show the ridiculousness of Christian morals because in our modern day english that makes it look like anyone who says the word "Jesus" has to be stoned to death!!! I admit that Christians can really go overboard with the rule making sometimes, claiming things are prohibited by God, sometimes even things that are never actually mentioned in God's word. But this isn't one of them! Just hope you know that. :)

Not only is this verse from Old testament law, much of which doesn't apply to Christians but serves as educational history, but also seems to be a misleading translation. The original Hebrew word (naqab) that is translated to "utter" here is much more correctly translated to "blaspheme". To blaspheme is to refuse to give credit to God for something God has done such as sacrificing the earthly life of his Son to pay the penalty for our shortcomings, which is far different than simply saying his name. Just thought I'd point that out in case you were misunderstanding this and seeing it as a ridiculous requirement put on Christians, and seeing it as one of your reasons for rejecting Christianity or Christian morals.

Oh yeah, welcome to the forums! :)
 
She doesn't know what it means Obadiah and this is the reason why..

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

tob
 
Hey, newbie, welcome. Millions of questions arriving from your profile. Can't ask them here...would be off topic. Hope you don't repulse football? LOL ;-)
 
1. Thank you for the welcomes everyone! This forum has proven to be very informative, I'm glad I joined!

2. My previous signature was removed because it mentioned Jainism, (In my opinion not in any sort of promotional way). I of course do NOT believe that most Christians endorse the horrors of the Old Testament.

3. My Leviticus signature has now been removed as well, so no need to worry I guess...

4. Turnorburn, those other men claimed things that we can see and prove. I totally believe that Jesus existed, but the idea that he was the son of a God just doesn't seem that clear to me.
 
ObjMoVa said:
1. Thank you for the welcomes everyone! This forum has proven to be very informative, I'm glad I joined!
2. My previous signature was removed because it mentioned Jainism, (In my opinion not in any sort of promotional way). I of course do NOT believe that most Christians endorse the horrors of the Old Testament.
3. My Leviticus signature has now been removed as well, so no need to worry I guess...
4. Turnorburn, those other men claimed things that we can see and prove. I totally believe that Jesus existed, but the idea that he was the son of a God just doesn't seem that clear to me.
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Hello ObjMoVa

Your mentioning of Jainism is curious because it is so different than what Christianity teaches in it basics. Christianity is an exclusive religion in that it requires allegiance to the Bible only and repudiation of all other religions. This was one of the foundational doctrines of the Reformation, and it is called (from Latin) "Sola Scriptura".

But this exclusivity is not a "Christian invention"; rather it is taken directly from the words of Jesus Christ himself. In teaching His disciples how to surely get to heaven, Jesus stated:

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me​

Because Jainism is similar to Hinduism in the fact that it does not accept absolutes, but is syncretic, permitting an incorporation of mutually exclusive viewpoints into a new "unified" viewpoint, I am really wondering if you want to learn about Christianity and about Jesus Christ to add to what you already believe in. I believe that Jainism call that " anekantvad". Please correct me if I am wrong.

On this forum, the Christians here are almost to as person universally believing that Jesus was telling the truth in an absolute manner so that there can be no "wiggle room" in either what he meant, or in the consequences of not taking what He said as coming directly from God.

Therefore, while you believe in the historicity of Jesus Christ, do you understand who He is, and what He said about Himself is true? Wanting to learn the truth of that is a good place to start.

Here is a good starting place for that process:

Matthew16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
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What we have is an extraordinary statement that Jesus says about Himself. There are only three logical conclusions: Jesus is a liar, and if that is the case that nothing that he says can ever be taken at face value as the truth. or else he is a delusional lunatic thinking that he is God, and that what he says about His Father is also a fiction, or else he is as He claims He is: LORD of Lords, and KING of kings.

Of course, I will be patient. I do not expect you to accept something just because I post it and if you "push back" because you do not understand Christianity, I will gently push back, and I will use the Bible as a reason for saying what I say. Rest assured, I will always be attempting to point you to the exclusivity of Christianity. and I also believe that what makes Christianity superior to all other religions is that it is simultaneously relational as well as, reasonable and Jesus Christ is still living.
 
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