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When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
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Rom.14:10; 1 Cor.3:11-15; 2 Cor.5:10Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
What will they be judged for?XTruth said:Rom.14:10; 1 Cor.3:11-15; 2 Cor.5:10Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
edited...oh yeah, right after the Rapture...in heaven...during the Trib.
Read the references and you will find out.Solo said:What will they be judged for?XTruth said:Rom.14:10; 1 Cor.3:11-15; 2 Cor.5:10Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
edited...oh yeah, right after the Rapture...in heaven...during the Trib.
XTruth said:Rom.14:10; 1 Cor.3:11-15; 2 Cor.5:10Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
edited...oh yeah, right after the Rapture...in heaven...during the Trib.
If you post them and explain them, I will read them.XTruth said:Read the references and you will find out.Solo said:What will they be judged for?
Like all people, they will be judged at the great judgement described in Romans 2:Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
I do not see how one can read the following and conclude that "only rewards and not salvation" will be the result of the great judgement:Solo said:Otherwise, I am assuming that you agree that all who are in the rapture are born again, and will be judged for their rewards, not their salvation.
Solo said:XTruth said:Rom.14:10; 1 Cor.3:11-15; 2 Cor.5:10Solo said:When will born again, born from above believers be judged?
edited...oh yeah, right after the Rapture...in heaven...during the Trib.If you post them and explain them, I will read them.XTruth said:Read the references and you will find out.Solo said:What will they be judged for?
Otherwise, I am assuming that you agree that all who are in the rapture are born again, and will be judged for their rewards, not their salvation.
2 Cor.5:10samuel said:Since all who will participate in the Rapture, will be members of the Church (true). What reference do you find that makes you believe, they will be judged for any other than faithfulness.
We all know, not all members of any local Church are saved. But those will not be included! in the Rapture either. In fact J. Vernon McGee stated about 10% of the average Church, were actually saved folks. I might have to give it just a bit more, but not much. Especially! since about 40+ years have passed, since he made that statement.
That's right.brakelite2 said:I think I need to clear something up here. The Galatians who were being deceived into accepting the 'Judaizers' rather than the simplicity of the gospel, certainly had a problem. The problem was not that they were keeping the sabbaths and feasts of the old sanctuary services, (as Paul himself still observed them) , but rather that they were trusting in that observation as a means to being justified. Would anyone dare suggest that it was not wrong to steal? If I as a Christian teach that stealing is morally indefensible which of you would accuse me of legalism? If however I taught that by being honest, I would then be justified before God, then your accusations of 'Judaising' and legalism etc would be justifiable.
There have been claims that there are certain denominations that are guilty, in the poster's eyes, of legalism and 'Judaizing'. How do you know that they are trusting in their works for their justification?
Maybe they are simply obeying what they sincerely believe to be the commandments of God and are obeying them because they love Him?
I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The Sabbath day here in NZ has just finished. While there may be some in my denomination that think they are justified by their obedience, not only would the church officially disagree with them, but so would I.
After having been justified by the precious blood of Christ and been born again of His Spirit, thus being in the sight of God innocent, and looking ahead to the walk and life of discipleship, you read in the Bible that all liars end up in the lake of fire, (Rev 21:8) what do you do? Do you cease from lying? Of course. However, can you do so in your own strength? No. So you enlist the help of the Holy Spirit to overcome. Now is that legalism? Is that 'Judaizing? What of the Sabbath, for I know that the Sabbath is the sticking point of the law? Charges of legalism are only seldom raised with the other nine, but when the Sabbath is mentioned, according to many that person is 'Judaizing'.
But I keep the Sabbath on the same grounds that I seek to be honest and tell the truth. By the grace of God and in response to the desires of His heart. His law in my heart, His Holy Spirit empowering me to obey. But is my law-keeping a means by which I am justified? No way. But if I stubbornly and persistently refuse to do that which God's law requires because I don't believe* that or trust in God's clear command, or am fearful of what the rest of Christianity might think, or afraid of being unpopular or in the minority,even after accepting Christ's sacrifice on my behalf, I will end up in the lake of fire.
That is why it is so very very important to live according to what our conscience tells us the word of God teaches, and not on what man says it teaches.
Deception is avoided by having a love of the truth, and Jesus said that it is truth that sets us free. Free from sin, free from condemnation, free from bondage to addictions and habits.Free from traditions of man. And freedom from charges of heresy and 'Judaizing' and legalism.
*Rev 21:8 says that the fearful and unbelieving will end up in the lake of fire.
Brakelite2,brakelite2 said:Solo, do you have a comment on my post? Interested in your opinion.
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Brakelite
Right, and don't forget that were the offense of sin abounds, the grace of God much more abounds.Joe67 said:Solo,
Works of the law increase our sin.
Rom 7:4-5
5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. NAS
Rom 5:19-20
20 And the Law came in that the transgression might increase; NAS
Joe
brakelite2 said:I agree with you in general, however, I think , if I read you correctly, that you seem to believe that obedience to the Ten Commandments is unnecessary for the Christian?
I f you reread my post you may realize that nowhere was I advocating obedience to the law for the purposes of justification, in fact quite the opposite. That was the Galatians problem. Paul did not say that obedience was unnecessary, but that we cannot rely on it to be justified.