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miamited

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Ok. How many think this writer is nuts? I mean, we eat dead plant and animal matter for food and they're warning us that there may be dead bug matter in some canned foods. I've always known that peanut butter is like 1% or something, dead insect matter. Then inferring that Costco would sell old meat? Really? And who hasn't known that there are entire cemeteries filled with people who suffered aspartame poisoning from over ingestion.

But the chewing gum really got me. We eat oils from just about every source on the planet, but we're supposed to be grossed out over chewing gum because it's got sheep lanolin in it. And for every body except three year old's, we don't actually 'eat' the chewing gum. So, I'm not even sure that we actually ingest the lanolin if it's merely used as a property enhancer for the gum to make it more soft and chewable. But there are literally thousands of things that we eat that are some part of dead animals. At least with sheep lanolin the animal doesn't have to die.

So, what is this 'woke' product fear mongering? Or will you never chew gum and walk again?

God bless,
Ted
 
I think the less processed the better. I use a trick here in the States when shopping for groceries. I stay on the outer edge of the store and avoid the isles.

Hamburger meat.
Bacon.
Eggs.
Steak.
Pork.
Butter.
Lettuce.

That's pretty much what I eat. The occasional sweet. But I like to keep food simple.
 
Do think this writer is nuts? No.

1. Mushrooms

-Yes, they're fungi. Many are beneficial (unless you're allergic or sensitive to them). However, the problem is that if mushrooms are not grown in a clean, more organic environment and given everything they might not be that good for you. Mushrooms absorb everything around them. If they are grown improperly, the mushrooms won't be as nutrient dense and may have some hidden toxins for you.

2. Meats

-Most conventional meats on store shelves are gas treated to keep the meat looking red. This increases it's chance that it will be sold. A lot of conventional meat is harvested from sick animals as it is and after packing and shipping, may have lost a lot of it's color. No one wants to buy pale, sick looking meat, do they?

I did my own experiment with meats at home. I bought some conventional ground beef and some locally raised ground beef (that came from a reputable source that took care of the animals and ensured they were healthy and treated with respect).

Cooked up the ground beef. Within 4-5 days of being left over in the fridge, the smell was rancid. With the organically raised, local meats, 2 weeks in the fridge and it still smelled like meat and not like death. There's something wrong with this picture.

3. Artifical Sweeteners

-Bad news for everyone, really. They are chemicals, nothing good about them. Not even ants will eat aspartame, but the FDA will allow it to be fed to you! It's poison.

Aspartame is said to turn into formaldehyde when heated up. The human body is around 98 degrees. What happens to aspartame in the body? It turns into formaldehyde, which is cancer causing. Over-use of this sweetener is dangerous and has unpleasant symptoms.

It has been linked to a host of health problems. I cannot have aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. Usually by the taste and the way I feel, I know it has been added in something. I'm sensitive to it.

4. Chewing Gum

-It's worrisome because a lot of gums today on store shelves have been blamed for having trace amounts of plastic. Personally, I don't think lanolin is the worst for you, I'd be far more worried about plastic or why this stuff doesn't just break down in your mouth after a point. They use lanolin in creams for breastfeeding mothers and often times it's safe for baby to breastfeed without washing the cream off, not the worst stuff out there. I remember swallowing gum in jr. high because I didn't want to look for a trash can or get caught with the gum at school lol. I'm sure that probably wasn't great for me, but I'm still here.

I'm sure I could go on further rants about the rest of it, but they don't seem crazy. I don't think it's woke stuff, it's basically people becoming more aware about what's in their food, the way it's being processed, etc. everyone should have the right to know where their food comes from and how it's processed.
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
everyone should have the right to know where their food comes from and how it's processed.
Don't know about it being a right, I mean, are you saying that's another of the God given rights that we should amend the Constitution for? The right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and where our food comes from...

However, for those who care to know, food packing processes aren't particularly secretive, if someone wanted to know, I'm sure they could find out. I'm just not so sure I see this as some 'right' that people have, but it's certainly knowledge that can be available to anyone who seeks it. Just like yourself, if where your meat comes from is particularly important, it can be found out by merely asking questions.

God bless,
Ted
 
Don't know about it being a right, I mean, are you saying that's another of the God given rights that we should amend the Constitution for? The right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and where our food comes from...
We can know where our food comes from if we're concerned about it. We can grow or raise it ourselves.
 

Ok. How many think this writer is nuts? I mean, we eat dead plant and animal matter for food and they're warning us that there may be dead bug matter in some canned foods. I've always known that peanut butter is like 1% or something, dead insect matter. Then inferring that Costco would sell old meat? Really? And who hasn't known that there are entire cemeteries filled with people who suffered aspartame poisoning from over ingestion.

But the chewing gum really got me. We eat oils from just about every source on the planet, but we're supposed to be grossed out over chewing gum because it's got sheep lanolin in it. And for every body except three year old's, we don't actually 'eat' the chewing gum. So, I'm not even sure that we actually ingest the lanolin if it's merely used as a property enhancer for the gum to make it more soft and chewable. But there are literally thousands of things that we eat that are some part of dead animals. At least with sheep lanolin the animal doesn't have to die.

So, what is this 'woke' product fear mongering? Or will you never chew gum and walk again?

God bless,
Ted
Imagine all the excretions you drink in the liquids we consume daily. Best just to not think about it. If we do not eat or drink, we simply will become non existent.
 
Imagine all the excretions you drink in the liquids we consume daily. Best just to not think about it. If we do not eat or drink, we simply will become non existent.
Right! Every time I go swimming in the lake I'm abhorred to think that we haven't come up with porta pottys for fish, so we don't have to swim in their bathroom. Imagine eating fish, how utterly filthy they must be to always be living in their own excrement. UGGGG! LOL!

God bless,
Ted
 
I dunno 🤷‍♂️

I do think it’d be good if the USA had more regulations on food ingredients…maybe more along the lines of the eu. That and personal care products. The eu may perhaps have over regulated but at least they keep more known toxins and unsafe chemicals out of circulation. I think that’s the government’s job honestly. Corporations exist to make money and if the government doesn’t regulate them they’ll run over everybody,


But fluff scare pieces…not helpful not productive.
 
If you try to take our bacon away 1776 will start all over again ! :helmet

Excuse me now I think I will go eat a sardine and onion sandwich on white bread .:pepsi2

Funny stuff 🤣 , thanks for posting miamited !
 
Hi Luminous_Rose

Don't know about it being a right, I mean, are you saying that's another of the God given rights that we should amend the Constitution for? The right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and where our food comes from...

However, for those who care to know, food packing processes aren't particularly secretive, if someone wanted to know, I'm sure they could find out. I'm just not so sure I see this as some 'right' that people have, but it's certainly knowledge that can be available to anyone who seeks it. Just like yourself, if where your meat comes from is particularly important, it can be found out by merely asking questions.

God bless,
Ted
....? o_O

I mean, I'd like to know what goes into my body when I eat that companies aren't telling us. Wouldn't you?

I try to keep it as simple and non-processed as possible, but sometimes you never know what a company might be hiding to fill their pockets.

Foods aren't always as transparent in their ingredients as they ought to be. A lot of times they have to label the top allergens on things, but what if you're allergic to something that isn't on the top allergens, but could disguise itself as a natural or artificial flavor? Or even disguise itself as a starch or maltodextrin? That's the type of stuff we have to deal with at home. Have a strawberry allergy? Yeah, those aren't in the top - companies don't have to tell you. They could simply put "fruit juice" or "fruit flavor" and what fruits those all are can be a gamble so it's usually safer to avoid, but when someone gives it to you or your kid and is like, "Oh, it doesn't say there's strawberry on the label," then someone isn't able to breathe later...we can only figure. If a person is allergic to other fruits like citrus fruits and stuff, it's a similar rodeo. So many people put themselves at risk with our food system each day because companies aren't required to label all their ingredients. They could slap "natural flavors" on there and other vague terms to not let you know what's actually in it.

Having food allergies/sensitivities is hell on this planet. So yes, it'd be nice to know what I'm eating before I or another family member is bed ridden the rest of the day.
 
I mean, I'd like to know what goes into my body when I eat that companies aren't telling us. Wouldn't you?

I try to keep it as simple and non-processed as possible, but sometimes you never know what a company might be hiding to fill their pockets.

Foods aren't always as transparent in their ingredients as they ought to be.
Yes ! Stay as close as you can to the natural food source as you can .
So many people put themselves at risk with our food system each day because companies aren't required to label all their ingredients. They could slap "natural flavors" on there and other vague terms to not let you know what's actually in it.

Having food allergies/sensitivities is hell on this planet. So yes, it'd be nice to know what I'm eating before I or another family member is bed ridden the rest of the day.
I have a reaction to MSG if there is enough of it in the food , sneezing and break out in a cold sweat even sometimes 🤢 . Processed food is a big culprit to this . Thing is MSG can go by different names :nag and that makes it tough to figure out if what you are buying has MSG in it .

https://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/other-names-for-MSG.html

Other Names for MSG: The A to Z Guide​

MSG Accent
Autolyzed Plant Protein
Autolyzed Yeast
Aginomoto
Calcium Caseinate
Citric Acid (when processed from corn)
Gelatin
Glutamate
Glutamic Acid
Hydrolized Plant Protein (HPP)
Hydrolized Vegetable Protein (HVP)
Monopotassium Glutamate
Monosodium Glutamate
MSG
Natural Flavoring
Natural Meat Tenderizer
Sodium Caseinate
Senomyx (wheat extract labeled as artificial flavor)
Textured Protein
Yeast Food or Nutrient
Yeast Extract

Also Could Have MSG​

This is a list of foods that could be additives and often have MSG in them.
Annatto
Barley Malt
Bouillon
Broth
Caramel Flavoring (coloring)
Carrageenan
Corn syrup and corn syrup solids (partly depends upon process used)
Cornstarch
Dough Conditioners
Dry Milk Solids
Enriched
Fermented anything
Flavoring Seasonings (This does not always mean salt and pepper)
Flavors & Flavoring
Flowing Agents
Gums
Lipolyzed butter fat
Low or No Fat items
Malt Extract or Flavoring
Malted Barley (flavor)
Maltodextrin
Modified Food Starch
Milk Powder
Natural Chicken
Pectin
Protease
Protein fortified anything
Protease enzymes
Protein Fortified Milk
Reaction Flavors
Rice or Brown Rice, Syrup
Soy Protein
Soy Protein Isolate or Concentrate
Soy Sauce or Extract
Spice
Stock
Ultra-pasteurized anything
Vitamin enriched
Wheat
Whey Protein Isolate or Concentrate
Whey Protein or Whey
Yeast Nutrients
 
Yes ! Stay as close as you can to the natural food source as you can .

I have a reaction to MSG if there is enough of it in the food , sneezing and break out in a cold sweat even sometimes 🤢 . Processed food is a big culprit to this . Thing is MSG can go by different names :nag and that makes it tough to figure out if what you are buying has MSG in it .

https://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/other-names-for-MSG.html

Other Names for MSG: The A to Z Guide​


Also Could Have MSG​


MSG is a totally different monster, isn't it? 😢

I don't deal with it well, either, but it's not all that great for you - mostly the man-made created stuff. There's naturally means of getting MSG, but it doesn't seem as widely used. I've heard that if things have disodium guanylate and inosinate then it's basically guaranteed to have MSG in it since these ingredients work to enhance the MSG flavor.
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
I mean, I'd like to know what goes into my body when I eat that companies aren't telling us. Wouldn't you?
Honestly, the only thing I ever read on a food label is calories and serving size. I tend to trust that food products in the U.S. are fairly well regulated and generally safe.
I try to keep it as simple and non-processed as possible, but sometimes you never know what a company might be hiding to fill their pockets.
And that's good if it's a concern to you. However, I've just always lived my life trusting that processed food won't kill you, but it's generally loaded with salt (a preservative). But I'm not on a particularly salt restrictive diet myself. In fact, I'm probably one of the bad people when it comes to sodium intake. I like salt. I douse it on watermelon and pretty much sprinkle it and pepper on most foods on my plate. I believe in what the Scriptures say about salt. God gave it to us to add savor to our food. Therefore, I don't fear it. Might I eat to much, as compared to most people? Maybe. Is that going to kill me? Maybe. If I didn't eat the salt would I live forever? No. I'd likely die about the same time I'm going to die from some over abundance of salt, is my take on it.

That's another truth of God that I take to heart. He has numbered my days. I'll get everyone that He has numbered for me and I don't want one less or one more. I'm 67 and raised a family and I'm ready to go home just as soon as He calls. I actually look forward to the next life because I generally hate this one.
but what if you're allergic to something that isn't on the top allergens, but could disguise itself as a natural or artificial flavor? Or even disguise itself as a starch or maltodextrin? That's the type of stuff we have to deal with at home. Have a strawberry allergy? Yeah, those aren't in the top - companies don't have to tell you. They could simply put "fruit juice" or "fruit flavor" and what fruits those all are can be a gamble so it's usually safer to avoid, but when someone gives it to you or your kid and is like, "Oh, it doesn't say there's strawberry on the label," then someone isn't able to breathe later...we can only figure. If a person is allergic to other fruits like citrus fruits and stuff, it's a similar rodeo. So many people put themselves at risk with our food system each day because companies aren't required to label all their ingredients. They could slap "natural flavors" on there and other vague terms to not let you know what's actually in it.
If someone has special allergies, then it's up to them to watch out what they eat. Me, I have absolutely no food allergies. As far as I know I'm not allergic to anything. So, I guess that contributes to my laissez-faire attitude about food. As far as all the rest of your concerns, I'm afraid that I don't share that attitude about food. And I certainly don't feel like there is any nefarious action to mislabel or not put a complete label on our food. I don't share your understanding that 'so many people put themselves at risk with our food system each day because companies aren't required to label all their ingredients'. I've actually never felt or thought that I was in any danger in eating some processed food product.

So, I just say that to explain my position. However, as I asked in my OP, you seemed to have answered that you're one who won't be walking and chewing gum any time soon. That's ok. I just don't share that phobia about the foods I find stacked up on my grocery store shelf. I do try to stay away from processed frozen meal packages, but only because I'm mindful of my weight and prefer home cooked foods, and I'm a pretty competent cook, if I do say so myself. But in a pinch, I always have a half dozen frozen pot pies or Boston Market frozen dinners in my freezer for a fast meal. Maybe once or twice a month I'll use them.

God bless,
Ted
 
Right! Every time I go swimming in the lake I'm abhorred to think that we haven't come up with porta pottys for fish, so we don't have to swim in their bathroom. Imagine eating fish, how utterly filthy they must be to always be living in their own excrement. UGGGG! LOL!

God bless,
Ted
Hi Ted, I am not much of a fish eater, but it is supposed to be healthy for you, so on occasion I have some. I try to follow my doctors advice, if it tastes good spit it out :nod
 
Yes ! Stay as close as you can to the natural food source as you can .

I have a reaction to MSG if there is enough of it in the food , sneezing and break out in a cold sweat even sometimes 🤢 . Processed food is a big culprit to this . Thing is MSG can go by different names :nag and that makes it tough to figure out if what you are buying has MSG in it .

https://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/other-names-for-MSG.html

Other Names for MSG: The A to Z Guide​


Also Could Have MSG​


See what I Mean? Just have the government tighten regulations on this nonsense…
 
Hi Luminous_Rose

Honestly, the only thing I ever read on a food label is calories and serving size. I tend to trust that food products in the U.S. are fairly well regulated and generally safe.

And that's good if it's a concern to you. However, I've just always lived my life trusting that processed food won't kill you, but it's generally loaded with salt (a preservative). But I'm not on a particularly salt restrictive diet myself. In fact, I'm probably one of the bad people when it comes to sodium intake. I like salt. I douse it on watermelon and pretty much sprinkle it and pepper on most foods on my plate. I believe in what the Scriptures say about salt. God gave it to us to add savor to our food. Therefore, I don't fear it. Might I eat to much, as compared to most people? Maybe. Is that going to kill me? Maybe. If I didn't eat the salt would I live forever? No. I'd likely die about the same time I'm going to die from some over abundance of salt, is my take on it.

That's another truth of God that I take to heart. He has numbered my days. I'll get everyone that He has numbered for me and I don't want one less or one more. I'm 67 and raised a family and I'm ready to go home just as soon as He calls. I actually look forward to the next life because I generally hate this one.

If someone has special allergies, then it's up to them to watch out what they eat. Me, I have absolutely no food allergies. As far as I know I'm not allergic to anything. So, I guess that contributes to my laissez-faire attitude about food. As far as all the rest of your concerns, I'm afraid that I don't share that attitude about food. And I certainly don't feel like there is any nefarious action to mislabel or not put a complete label on our food. I don't share your understanding that 'so many people put themselves at risk with our food system each day because companies aren't required to label all their ingredients'. I've actually never felt or thought that I was in any danger in eating some processed food product.

So, I just say that to explain my position. However, as I asked in my OP, you seemed to have answered that you're one who won't be walking and chewing gum any time soon. That's ok. I just don't share that phobia about the foods I find stacked up on my grocery store shelf. I do try to stay away from processed frozen meal packages, but only because I'm mindful of my weight and prefer home cooked foods, and I'm a pretty competent cook, if I do say so myself. But in a pinch, I always have a half dozen frozen pot pies or Boston Market frozen dinners in my freezer for a fast meal. Maybe once or twice a month I'll use them.

God bless,
Ted
Lucky you, living the free "eat what I want" lifestyle, because you're able.

Most people have sensitivities or allergies, they just haven't been tested for them, they don't realize they eat a food that's affecting them in a negative way since it may be something slight that one may not feel like inflammation, or that person hasn't come across an offending food yet since there are of course, so many foods out there in this world.

I grew up thinking I had "no food allergies", too. Ate whatever I wanted basically for so many years. Changed slightly when I had anemia or when other chronic issues came into play, but I was still eating foods that I found out in my 30s were affecting me horribly through testing. About half way through my 20s, my mom quit wheat and felt a lot better, dropped a lot of pounds. My dad felt a bit slower at work, more brain fog when he had wheat so he quit. My brother's acne went away when he quit wheat. My sister got a lot of health things under control with avoiding wheat. When I did, I was a lot healthier than I had ever been in my life, but...I can't reverse the damage. That was like 25 years or so with eating wheat for like 3 meals a day nearly. Did so much damage without knowing it and now I have more problems to deal with.

Salt is honestly the least of my problems, it doesn't seem to be as bad when it comes from a reputable source. Some salts are super mineral rich, but of course, too much can be a bad thing for sure.

Of course our days are numbered. They all are. We have a 100% chance of death at this point, at some time. Although, if a person were to go off the deep end and eat junk all the time, I'd think that would shorten their life span and wouldn't be a good way to take care of themselves. Even with numbered days, I do believe what we do can increase or decrease our life span or impact it in a negative or positive way.

I have no real relationship with food. I don't have a favorite because I barely like any of it anymore. When everything you grew up eating is ripped away from you and you're sitting there pondering what's left because it's not much...

Allergies, when severe enough, can cause anaphylaxis and kill people. I think that's plenty of reason to thoroughly label foods, because people have actually died from foods being mislabeled, or deceptively labeled. Something that might have been able to be prevented wasn't and loss of life over that is tragic.

If you don't have allergies or food sensitivites yourself, I can't expect you to understand how difficult it is. You won't know what it's like to see your spouse come home with a face so swollen he can't see all because someone wanted to get back at him at work and leave intentionally leave the food he's allergic to at his desk. You won't know what it's like to suddenly be eating and a moments later, be having a seizure because of what you ate and then be out of commission for the next day (all because ingredients weren't properly labeled, or someone near you had an offending food and then they touched something that you touched)...or two..or three if it's bad enough you have to get a benzodizepine for that.

Perhaps you won't know what it's like to drop your child at a sitter's, declaring the allergies, and then gave your child something that they couldn't have and for the rest of the day, you're trying to help calm them down and recover with medicines and such, trying to soothe the hives they have all up and down their body.

Or when you take your kid to a birthday party and then some of the kids are eating foods your kid is allergic to and then goes and touches all of the play equipment nearby and you have to grab your child kicking and screaming, trying to punch you in the face, because they're upset you destroyed their fun and they don't understand why they have to leave...yup, all because you're trying to protect them from an allergic reaction, but that's the type of life that some of us have to live.

We have been kicked out of living situations because our food allergies were "too much of an inconvenience." It ticks me off, but I guess people that don't have allergies see it as someone else's problem, not theirs, when cross contamination is a real thing.

Our list is long, cooking something everyone can have is a daily struggle. It's incredibly limited and keeping foods we can have around is a challenge, and it's more expensive to eat the way we do, sadly.

I don't recall saying that about gum, but okay. There are gum's I don't have a problem with and ones I do.
 
Just a side note…

Not trying to push supplements on people but the orthomolecular people say that following their vitamin protocols can help with food allergies…and just about everything else too. Personally I’m a fan…it’s mostly mega doses of readily available vitamins sometimes amino acids in the mix.

www.doctoryourself.com

The site is free the protocols are free. They do link to books that are on sale somewhere but some can be downloaded for free and maybe a library near you has a copy or can get one for you…
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
Most people have sensitivities or allergies,
I understand your point. However, I'd question that it's 'most'. The reason I say that is that we are a nation with a capitalist marketing system. If 'most' people had sensitivities or allergies to food products, then our grocery store shelves would look considerably different. The very reason that the problems that you are bringing up exist in your life is that the 'most' people that manufacturers are trying to reach, aren't like you in that regard. I would venture to say that 'most' people are more like me. Eating and enjoying their food with friends and family and taking what is laid out before them. Maybe being concerned that the extra piece of cake is going to go straight to their waste, but not much beyond that as a concern for eating anything. Shopping at their local grocery store with more of an eye to what things cost, over what's in them. I mean, let's face it. In my world you sell gobs and gobs of Hamburger Helper. In yours, it would be a hard product to find or be completely different. I think we sell gobs and gobs of Hamburger Helper.
I don't recall saying that about gum, but okay. There are gum's I don't have a problem with and ones I do.
It was a reference to my OP. I said that I expected those who would see this list that I've linked as I do, a bit of an over scare about the foods we eat, or, since it brings up the lanolin in gum, there would be those who wouldn't chew the gum. Therefore, those people will never be caught walking and chewing gum at the same time. You fall in to that category, according to your posts. It's perfectly ok with me if you chew some gum once in a while, though.

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi again Luminous_Rose
We have been kicked out of living situations because our food allergies were "too much of an inconvenience." It ticks me off, but I guess people that don't have allergies see it as someone else's problem, not theirs, when cross contamination is a real thing.

Our list is long, cooking something everyone can have is a daily struggle. It's incredibly limited and keeping foods we can have around is a challenge, and it's more expensive to eat the way we do, sadly.
And again I ask, you really believe that 'most' people have food allergies or sensitivities and get treated like this? I don't think so. I would say that your understanding of 'how' others see it as someone else's problem, is likely correct. After all, it is someone else's problem if the vast majority of us can eat whatever is put before us.

Now, let's both please understand that yes, if someone has a physical allergic reaction to peanuts, then it is that person's responsibility to stay clear of peanuts. It is not society at large's job to take all the peanuts out of the world for that person. For me, if someone comes to eat at my house and has strict dietary 'wants', then they better bring themselves a go plate from home.

God bless,
Ted
 
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