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Bible Study Home Churches, and the True Assembling of the Brethren

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Hello fellow believers in Jesus Christ, I would like to open a discussion with the following study,

Many of the "churches" of today are elaborate structures allowing for hundreds, or even thousands of people to be brought together in one place. Take a look, for example, at all the elaborate cathedrals built by the catholic church, and then all the megachurches built by the protestants, yet all these structures and actions reflect a grave error in doctrine. Why is this an error? Because all true believers in Jesus Christ are called to humility. I encourage anyone reading this study, to first read this other study titled Sufficiency, Not Wealth nor Poverty, and Selling of Possessions, which explains what true humility actually is. True humility is having very little, few possessions of things you actually need, and having no ownership of property. This true humility was done by the early believers, as you can see in this verse,
They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. (Acts 2:45 [NLT])

This true humility was necessary to fulfill this proverb,
The LORD resists the proud, but gives favor to the humble. (Proverbs 3:34 [ABP])

As God does indeed resist those who do not bring themselves down to humility, which is why the early believers sold their possessions and all their properties, so that God may then have favor on them, and thus grant them repentance and give them the gift of holy spirit. So if indeed these men were selling their possessions and all their properties, why would they then in turn reacquire lands and construct buildings for churches, when the whole purpose behind selling all properties was to become humble? And there were even rich men among them that could've just as easily commissioned the construction of such buildings as we see today, which is why in 1 Timothy we read thus,
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. (1 Timothy 6:17-18 [NIV])

Yet look at what owners of properties did in this verse,
For neither anyone lacking existed among them; for as many as were owners of places or houses existing to them, by selling they brought the value of the things being sold, (Acts 4:34 [ABP])

So all properties were indeed sold, for the purpose of humility. So where did these early believers actually meet then since they owned no properties? They met in their homes, that they rented, and we see an indicating of renting in this verse,
And Paul stayed a whole space of two years in his own hired house, and gladly received all the ones entering to him, (Acts 28:30 [ABP])

And the verses demonstrating the the churches were done in homes are these,
And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: (Philemon 1:2 [ESV])
Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. (Colossians 4:14 [ESV])
Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. (Romans 16:5 [ESV])
The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with the church in their house, send you hearty greetings in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 6:19 [ESV])
How I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house, (Acts 20:20 [ESV])

The Greek word for "church" is "ekklesian", which means an "assembly". The word "church" has a conveyance of a religious building, like a synagogue or cathedral, whereas an "assembly" is something more simpler and more humble, it is merely a gathering, which was done in the simplicity of homes. Anything more than this simplistic gathering and assembling of the brethren, and it starts to become a business, which is the problem faced by most "churches" when they begin owning land or also constructing buildings specific for the purpose of assembling. So what happens when an assembly in a home becomes too big to fit in a home? It should be divided up into more homes, and new leaders appointed for each home, and this is where the different "roles" of the assemblies of God come about, which are mentioned here,
And he gave some indeed for apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists; but some shepherds and teachers, (Ephesians 4:11 [ABP])

Yet of all these, the role of the apostle is to go forth city to city, and plant home churches, which then leads to the coming forth of prophets, and evangelists, and shepherds, and teachers that then come about in every city, from the planting of these home assemblies at the hand of apostles. Going further, not only did these early believers meet in their homes to assemble, but they met daily, not once a week as most churches do these days,
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, (Acts 2:46 [NIV])

In meeting daily in their homes, they ate together, broke bread together, and in doing this they truly fellowshipped together daily. They also partook of the holy communion every year at the passover in their homes. This is how the true assembling of the brethren should be done, and it hasn't changed to this day, except there are institutions, such as the catholic church, that have brought forth new doctrines, that have lead the world astray from this true, simple, and humble way of assembling.
 
Church goers will not agree with you because,Church goers are not usually humbled. But the born again believer that has been humbled will agree with you about mega churches and cathedrals. For the born again believer has been humbled by realization of his Adamic nature and God's Mercy and Grace in Jesus The Christ. None of us believers ever feel worthy of God's Grace and are always humbled by His presence. Mega church pastors do not draw the humble and needy, for they would not be accepted into the fleecing flock of the mega churches. For they have no material substance to increase the pastors bounty. If you will notice, the mega churches preach that God's grace is $$$ material gain as a sign of acceptance, and giving to the mega church will increase your bounty. The more you give them, the more you will receive, using the law of Tithing as the most coveted Law as a law of the NT Church.. It is called GREED....Not GRACE.
So your teaching to church goers is void to them, and trying to teach to the born again believers (they already see and know the charlatans) for they know their Masters voice. We do not yet know what we would be, but when we see Him, we will be like Him.

At best, your teaching would probably benefit the lost who have not been drawn into the material Church,, and to teach the lost would not be about mega churches, but the wickedness of man and the Grace of God. For a humbled man by the TRUTH would feel uncomfortable in the mega-church, and attending there, He would not find His Masters voice.
 
Church goers will not agree with you because,Church goers are not usually humbled. But the born again believer that has been humbled will agree with you about mega churches and cathedrals. For the born again believer has been humbled by realization of his Adamic nature and God's Mercy and Grace in Jesus The Christ. None of us believers ever feel worthy of God's Grace and are always humbled by His presence. Mega church pastors do not draw the humble and needy, for they would not be accepted into the fleecing flock of the mega churches. For they have no material substance to increase the pastors bounty. If you will notice, the mega churches preach that God's grace is $$$ material gain as a sign of acceptance, and giving to the mega church will increase your bounty. The more you give them, the more you will receive, using the law of Tithing as the most coveted Law as a law of the NT Church.. It is called GREED....Not GRACE.
So your teaching to church goers is void to them, and trying to teach to the born again believers (they already see and know the charlatans) for they know their Masters voice. We do not yet know what we would be, but when we see Him, we will be like Him.

At best, your teaching would probably benefit the lost who have not been drawn into the material Church,, and to teach the lost would not be about mega churches, but the wickedness of man and the Grace of God. For a humbled man by the TRUTH would feel uncomfortable in the mega-church, and attending there, He would not find His Masters voice.
You seem to be implying that anyone who goes to a church is not born-again and therefore not Christian. Is that correct?
 
If you recall, the first Christians assembled in the Synagogues on Saturday, and then met in homes on Sunday. I haven't read anywhere that they shouldn't meet in a central location outside their home for worship.
Also, if you recall Paul had to take up a collection for the poor in Jerusalem. I believe Paul is taking up a collection for those who previously gave everything away.
As far as renting, it is better to own than rent. It's just good stewardess. We are all stewarts of God's blessing, and we ought to use everything to glorify God, including our money. If you rent, you'll rent for life. That's cash each and every month going out with no end in sight. Buy a house, and you have closure. Pay off the house, and now you've got not only a place to live, but you've got extra income that you can use toward God's kingdom. Also, I don't think you can infer that all the "homes" were rented homes.
Same goes with a car. In may cases, it's better to own your car than to lease your car. It's just good econimics.
As far as meeting daily and breaking bread, that would be nice to get back to that...
 
You seem to be implying that anyone who goes to a church is not born-again and therefore not Christian. Is that correct?
No. My reference of Church goers are those who go to church, neither hot nor cold as compared to those who go for fellowship and to worship the Lord (Rev. 3: 14-19).
 
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God truly does not care where we gather as long as we are worshipping Him in spirit and truth. If we put more emphasis on where we gather than this becomes an idol and a stumbling block to those who have no Spiritual knowledge yet. The important thing is that we worship God in spirit and truth taught by the Holy Spirit, John 14:26. Church is Gods people called by His name, not a physical place we assemble at.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 
If you recall, the first Christians assembled in the Synagogues on Saturday, and then met in homes on Sunday. I haven't read anywhere that they shouldn't meet in a central location outside their home for worship.
Also, if you recall Paul had to take up a collection for the poor in Jerusalem. I believe Paul is taking up a collection for those who previously gave everything away.
As far as renting, it is better to own than rent. It's just good stewardess. We are all stewarts of God's blessing, and we ought to use everything to glorify God, including our money. If you rent, you'll rent for life. That's cash each and every month going out with no end in sight. Buy a house, and you have closure. Pay off the house, and now you've got not only a place to live, but you've got extra income that you can use toward God's kingdom. Also, I don't think you can infer that all the "homes" were rented homes.
Same goes with a car. In may cases, it's better to own your car than to lease your car. It's just good econimics.
As far as meeting daily and breaking bread, that would be nice to get back to that...

Its the love of material things not having material things. How exited do people get when they purchase there first car or there first house or finish paying off there house or boat or anything. How exciting is payday.

Its love for material things where people go wrong, I really like that ring, I like that jacket but not that jacket.

I own my own car and I bought it with no pride, I just want it to get me where I need to go, buy food, go to work. Its a basic standard cheap car. All my clothes are second hand.

But im guilty. Im not perfect. Things get the better of me at times.
 
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Hello fellow believers in Jesus Christ, I would like to open a discussion with the following study,

Many of the "churches" of today are elaborate structures allowing for hundreds, or even thousands of people to be brought together in one place. Take a look, for example, at all the elaborate cathedrals built by the catholic church, and then all the megachurches built by the protestants, yet all these structures and actions reflect a grave error in doctrine. Why is this an error? Because all true believers in Jesus Christ are called to humility. I encourage anyone reading this study, to first read this other study titled Sufficiency, Not Wealth nor Poverty, and Selling of Possessions, which explains what true humility actually is. True humility is having very little, few possessions of things you actually need, and having no ownership of property. This true humility was done by the early believers, as you can see in this verse,


This true humility was necessary to fulfill this proverb,


As God does indeed resist those who do not bring themselves down to humility, which is why the early believers sold their possessions and all their properties, so that God may then have favor on them, and thus grant them repentance and give them the gift of holy spirit. So if indeed these men were selling their possessions and all their properties, why would they then in turn reacquire lands and construct buildings for churches, when the whole purpose behind selling all properties was to become humble? And there were even rich men among them that could've just as easily commissioned the construction of such buildings as we see today, which is why in 1 Timothy we read thus,


Yet look at what owners of properties did in this verse,


So all properties were indeed sold, for the purpose of humility. So where did these early believers actually meet then since they owned no properties? They met in their homes, that they rented, and we see an indicating of renting in this verse,


And the verses demonstrating the the churches were done in homes are these,






The Greek word for "church" is "ekklesian", which means an "assembly". The word "church" has a conveyance of a religious building, like a synagogue or cathedral, whereas an "assembly" is something more simpler and more humble, it is merely a gathering, which was done in the simplicity of homes. Anything more than this simplistic gathering and assembling of the brethren, and it starts to become a business, which is the problem faced by most "churches" when they begin owning land or also constructing buildings specific for the purpose of assembling. So what happens when an assembly in a home becomes too big to fit in a home? It should be divided up into more homes, and new leaders appointed for each home, and this is where the different "roles" of the assemblies of God come about, which are mentioned here,


Yet of all these, the role of the apostle is to go forth city to city, and plant home churches, which then leads to the coming forth of prophets, and evangelists, and shepherds, and teachers that then come about in every city, from the planting of these home assemblies at the hand of apostles. Going further, not only did these early believers meet in their homes to assemble, but they met daily, not once a week as most churches do these days,


In meeting daily in their homes, they ate together, broke bread together, and in doing this they truly fellowshipped together daily. They also partook of the holy communion every year at the passover in their homes. This is how the true assembling of the brethren should be done, and it hasn't changed to this day, except there are institutions, such as the catholic church, that have brought forth new doctrines, that have lead the world astray from this true, simple, and humble way of assembling.

You quote Acts 2:45 as proof they sold their homes, yet in Acts 2:46 it says they broke bread in their homes together.
 
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I think the ones who sold there propertys in scripture was because they knew there love of material things was too great and it was the only way for them to humble themselves before God, where others who did not sell was because there possessions did not overpower them.

Like Jesus told the rich man to sell everything even there is nothing wrong with increase. God gave increasrs through the bible, its because his mind was business focused and all about the money money money.
 
If owning material things is bad, then Jesus would not have worn a pair of sandles and would have walked the streets naked.
 
Its the love of material things not having material things. How exited do people get when they purchase there first car or there first house or finish paying off there house or boat or anything. How exciting is payday.

Its love for material things where people go wrong, I really like that ring, I like that jacket but not that jacket.

I own my own car and I bought it with no pride, I just want it to get me where I need to go, buy food, go to work. Its a basic standard cheap car. All my clothes are second hand.

But im guilty. Im not perfect. Things get the better of me at times.
I'm not sure I'm completely understanding your point and I hope I'm not reading anything into the backside of this discussion. I do believe contentment is the key here. I like / love a lot of things. I love seafood, I love my 1968 Camaro. I love cake. All of them are things that make me feel good. But I don't need any of them to make me feel good because I am content with what I have. Even so, it is good to have things that make you feel good.
Make sense?
 
I'm not sure I'm completely understanding your point and I hope I'm not reading anything into the backside of this discussion. I do believe contentment is the key here. I like / love a lot of things. I love seafood, I love my 1968
Camaro. I love cake. All of them are things that make me feel good. But I don't need any of them to make me feel good because I am content with what I have. Even so, it is good to have things that make you feel good.
Make sense?
Hi Steve, Men after Adam are all the same in lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life, especially a 1968 Camaro, for me it is a 1965 GTO. But here is the difference in the born again believer. When ever I think about the things that I like or would like to have, the Spirit of the Lord is right there with me, and that possession and assurance of the Lord causes all other things to fade away. And it is the same every time. I always hear the excuse that God is OK with us having nice things as long as they do not neglect God, but that is an excuse for the very thing they are doing. In the born again believer, nothing trumps Christ in us. For The Spirit lusteth us to give us more Grace (James 4:1-6)
 
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You quote Acts 2:45 as proof they sold their homes, yet in Acts 2:46 it says they broke bread in their homes together.
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Obviously because they were renting their homes after they sold their owned homes.
For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. (Acts 28:30 [NIV])
 
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This is interesting. I think how one interprets the Scripture reflects a lot of the individual's background, bias, beliefs, attitudes, experiences.

Jesus cares for "the least of these" in a way that humans--I wanna say particularly in capitalist societies--just don't get. I don't get it, and I was one of the "least of these." Maybe I still am. I dunno. Point is...without $$$, without capitalism, we'd all still be living mostly in poverty, warfare, general misery. Its easy to say "Minimize!" when you live in a society that's harnessed capitalism to provide: healthcare, sanitation, running water, electricity, etc. However...

I think the avarice that fuels the economy has gotten out of hand. I mean, how much damage can we do to ourselves, to others, to the environment, in the name of more stuff, and more stuff at low low prices?

CS Lewis wrote something to the effect that Christians should have lifestyles a tad bit below what people of their income level have. So, if you're middle-middle class, you should live a little more simply than those in your neighborhood and give significant $$$ to church and Christian causes, and those you meet around who need your help. If you're upper class, more is expected of you. "In the world, but not of it." I find the CS Lewis approach appealing, personally.

I find it disturbing when uber-wealthy business people proclaim their love of Christ while mistreating workers and generally...doing business like any other corporate tycoon. On a smaller scale, how is a Christian lawyer, Christian doctor, Christian business person any different from an un-believer? One cannot expect them to do things for free all the time, true...but what do we expect? (Open question, btw--I have no real answer myself).

I"m not big on this "Christian=poverty" line of thinking, but I do think that how one handles money (especially if you're middle class or above) says a lot about priorities.
 
True humility is not relevant to poverty. They have nothing to do with each other.

Your definition of humility is not accurate as to the Ancient Near East meaning nor the current version.

Much like modesty in Florida means one thing and in Maine it means another.

Some churches are more modest than others...but they are God's houses. People built them for God. So less than the best isn't good enough.

Going to disagree with your premise and conclusion... And most points in between.
 
There are many things in the Bible described, but not necessarily prescribed. I think some of what is described in the early church is not meant as a mandate for how we are to live.
All things considered, many of us, and our churches, do not display stewardship of our possessions in a way that displays Christ as infinitely more valuable than they are. So I empathize with the reaction to this and desire to see it change.
 
And since you have no Scripture to back that up, you are not to be taken seriously.

Did you not see the scripture I provided? Let me requote it,
For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. (Acts 28:30 [NIV])

Here is an indication of renting, and since all the early church believers sold all their homes, yet still broke bread in homes afterwards, it can be easily concluded that this scripture reflects what all the other beleivers in the early church began doing, renting, as to not own any properties, for the sake of humility.
 
There are many things in the Bible described, but not necessarily prescribed. I think some of what is described in the early church is not meant as a mandate for how we are to live.
All things considered, many of us, and our churches, do not display stewardship of our possessions in a way that displays Christ as infinitely more valuable than they are. So I empathize with the reaction to this and desire to see it change.

The teachings to following Iesou Christ have not changed. It is man that has changed, and society today has become much more sinful and decadent, discarding the basic precepts of scripture concerning true humility, and also repentance. And men try to justify their own wickedness by saying, "oh those things don't apply to us anymore".
 
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