Wow, I deliberately avoided this post when it first appeared. Due to the nature of previous posts on this issue, I thought that it had already been hashed out pretty extensively. Why I changed my mind and decided to read through this thread now becomes apparent. Since I have read the responses, I now feel obliged to offer my two cents worth.
Now, let us begin by acknowledgement that there are those that choose to follow what 'they' will follow regardless of the Word. Nothing new.
Is there anyone here that does NOT realize that sodomy is a word that is based on a people that existed in history called 'Sodomites'? These dwelt in a community known as Sodom. We KNOW that these had turned their backs on God to the point that NOT ten righteous people could be found among the entirety of the population, and thus, were UTTERLY destroyed.
Homosexuality is not ONLY wrong, according to the Word is is out-right EVIL. This is NOT what 'I' choose, but what is offered through the Word. Let us examine the 'nature' of homosexuality.
Romans 1:1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
This PLAINLY states that NO MATTER WHAT ONE MIGHT "SAY", it is a NATURAL FACT that men and women KNOW that homosexuality is WRONG. THIS is genetic regardless of what those that would defend this behavior might 'say'.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Explanation: The natural course of things was implanted in our hearts from the 'moment' man was created. Whether we choose to 'follow' the natural course or not is irrelevant to the FACT that we are BORN with this 'instinct' to KNOW. (ever notice that homosexuality is tabu in most EVERY culture on the planet?) Only when a culture COMPLETELY turns it's back on God, do such things flourish. Thus, one must actually 'fight' to turn away from those things which pertain to the 'natural course' for which they were created.
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Remember, that from the beginning, Adam and Eve KNEW GOD. It only took a handful of generations for man's heart to be hardened to the point that ALL the descendants of Adam and Eve were UTTERLY DESTROYED, (except for one man and his family).
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
RIGHT here folks. THIS IS THE ANSWER. The LUSTS Of those that 'choose' to follow an unnatural course are manifest FROM themselves. Freedom of choice remember. There is NOT a one of us that hasn't at one time or another 'thought' about doing things that ARE WRONG. The prudent man simply pushes those thoughts aside and 'fights' the temptation, therefore avoiding the consequences.
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
What is the 'creature'? WE ARE. So this offers that those refereed to in these passages CHOSE to follow the lie. Choose to make 'excuses' and ignore what has been offered. NOT chance coincidences, but OUTRIGHT CHOICE.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Lesbianism, BUT not ONLY lesbians but ALL women that use their bodies in an 'un-natural' manor.
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And here it is: 'homosexuality'.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I allowed the rest of the chapter in order to 'show' who these people had become, or WILL become. For not only does a homosexual 'lie' to others, but by needs, lie to themselves when they make claim that they were 'born' this way. The genetic argument would be NO different than a 'child molester' using the same defense, or a murderer, or a thief, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,,, And being a 'liar' of such caliber, they do naturally gravitate into the rest.
I am aware that there will be many that choose to ignore these passages. So be it. And I am aware that this will NOT be what a homosexual would 'like' to hear. I am NOT here to pass, 'warm fuzzies' in order to appease the masses. I am here to offer what has ALREADY BEEN OFFERED BUT REJECTED BY MANY.
Now, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is about as far from God as one can possibly get. Don't get me wrong, it does NOT take God for one to be religious. It simply takes a 'different god', in order to 'turn away' from the 'truth' in ones religion. And, unless one 'turns away' from such behavior, (repents), there is NO way that they can follow Christ. The proof of this lies in the fact that one MUST create their 'own' religion in order to ignore these passages.
A discussion of the genetics of homosexuality may or may NOT hold water. I guess, as the OT indicates, that the sins of the fathers can be passed on to his generations. BUT, I don't believe that even this would be 'impossible' to overcome. That is a debatable issue and the answer would be entirely up to the individual and the choices that they make. NO ONE has sex with ANYONE, (short of rape), WITHOUT their cooperation. So, to 'claim' that one was born with genes that cause their desire for the 'same sex' is OF NO CONSEQUENCE. Regardless of their desires, WE KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG. IF the Spirit dwells within us that is.
Now, an issue that is JUST as important: I am quite sure that 'everyone' that dwelt within Sodom were NOT homosexual. Guess what folks, they were destroyed right along with those that were. WhY? Because they condoned this behavior.
Regardless of what some may teach and practice, the Word of God HAS NOT CHANGED. So, those that would defend such behavior are JUST as guilty as those that practice it. There is scripture to back this up and if any are unaware of it, I suggest that before they offer ANYTHING pertaining to issues such as this, they first 'READ' the Word.
So, fall into the 'trap' that has been laid and be ensnared by this 'political correctness' that Satan would so love for all of us to 'accept'. But, beware that, 'one does so' at their own peril.
Any that even 'claim' to be Christian must FIRST accept what Christ and His apostles have offered. Awful had to BE a Christian while being in denial of the Word.
NOPE, not going to leave this one up for debate:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Here is ONE example of those that condone unrighteous behavior. Folks, WE SHOULDN'T even be discussing such issues. Things that are an abomination to the Father are better left IGNORED. For when we discuss them, in essence, we become a 'part' of them. Therefore, the less we expose ourselves to such, the less likely are these issues to become a 'part' of our lives. JUST like the tree of knowledge. UNTIL man partook of it, there was NO EVIL TO BE KNOWN.
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: Have a good day guys.