How can the Bible be divinely inspired?

[Solo]

William,
You can believe the lies that the Roman Catholic institution puts out if you like, but the truth is that the Roman Catholic institution is teaching false doctrines.

The papacy did not come into being until 597BC and the twisting of history is something that the Roman Catholic Church had to do in order to establish themselves as the "authority of God" over the masses.

Jesus Christ is the Head of the REAL Church, and the pope is only a pawn in the war of good and evil. I believe that the pope is on the side of evil or he would have demanded a return to the truth.

God Himself has given us His word through inspired men; God Himself has compiled His word in the first century to be passed unto all the churches throughout the world, not just the church at Rome; God Himself has protected His word through the generations; and God will judge all through His word.

Satan has counterfeited all that he could to lie and deceive mankind so that he could win the war between himself and God; as soon as he was defeated by Jesus' death and resurrection satan began an all out attack on the children of God. Satan infiltrated the church at Rome and began to claim dominance over Christianity worldwide.

Here is what happens to the "Queen of Heaven" religion:

• 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:1-8

Come out of her, William, so that you do not partake of her sins.

May God bless you and give you strength to do the will of God Almighty.

 

[francisdesales]

Re: Biblical inspiration...

Peter said that Paul's writings were Scripture in 2 Peter 3:15-16. The gospel of Thomas was written between 140AD and 170AD. The gospel of Thomas comes up way short when compared with the four gospels of the New Testament. The synoptic gospels of the New Testament were written between 60AD and 80AD. The gospel of Thomas cannot stand alone and depends on the synoptic gospels; however the synoptic gospels stand on their own alone. The gospel of Thomas portrays second century gnosticism, and was not around when the other books of the New Testament were in circulation in the 1st century.

I am not sure on when the gospel of Thomas was written - some place it in the same era as the Christian Gospels. The point I am making is that SOMEONE had to make the distinction between the "correct" gospel and the "incorrect" gospel. You and I reading Mark and Thomas side by side would not be able to know which was truly from Christ and which was not UNLESS someone TOLD US!

Thus, the Church verifies which is really inspired from God - as you correctly note when 2 Peter (probably not written by Peter himself) is verified that Paul wrote Scriptures. Note, however, that 2 Peter doesn't SAY WHAT PAUL WROTE SPECIFICALLY! Even today, people disagree on what is truly from Paul and what is not. During the time of Paul's writings, HE was worried about forgery. Thus, the Bible by itself is not self-authenticating. It requires a trustworthy body to vouch for it. Martin Luther realized this and credit the Catholic Church with at least that much.

Regards

 

[Solo]

Re: Biblical inspiration...

I am not sure on when the gospel of Thomas was written - some place it in the same era as the Christian Gospels.

The gospel of Thomas was written 80 to 110 years after the synoptic gospels, and was held by the gnostics as truth.

The point I am making is that SOMEONE had to make the distinction between the "correct" gospel and the "incorrect" gospel. You and I reading Mark and Thomas side by side would not be able to know which was truly from Christ and which was not UNLESS someone TOLD US!

I have read the gospel of Thomas and it is not of God. The Holy Spirit reveals truth.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

Here are a couple of verses from the gospel of Thomas:

• 102. Jesus said:"The Kingdom of the Father is like a man wanting to kill a powerful man. In his house, he drew the sword and stuck it into the wall so that he might know that his hand would be strong within. Then he slew the powerful one." [/*:m:68593]
• 117. His disciples said to him: "On what day will the Kingdom come?" "It will not come when you are looking outward for it. They will not say; 'Behold it is there!' or; 'Behold, it is that one!'. Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth and men do not see it. "[/*:m:68593]
• 118. Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mariam go out from us, for women are not worthy of The Life!" Jesus said this: "Behold, I will lead her so that I might make her male, so she might also be a living spirit like you males. For any woman making herself male will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."[/*:m:68593]

Thus, the Church verifies which is really inspired from God - as you correctly note when 2 Peter (probably not written by Peter himself) is verified that Paul wrote Scriptures. Note, however, that 2 Peter doesn't SAY WHAT PAUL WROTE SPECIFICALLY! Even today, people disagree on what is truly from Paul and what is not. During the time of Paul's writings, HE was worried about forgery. Thus, the Bible by itself is not self-authenticating. It requires a trustworthy body to vouch for it. Martin Luther realized this and credit the Catholic Church with at least that much.

Regards

The Holy Spirit verifies which is really inspired from God. Every born again, born of God believer has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them. The Holy Spirit inspired the writing of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit will interpret the Scriptures.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:19-21

PS. Although some doubt that Peter wrote 2 Peter, I have no doubt that he dictated it if he did not write it, and I know that it is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you think?

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1 Peter 1:1

1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1

The Roman Catholic "church" did nothing to combine the infallible word of God, the Scriptures, that we have today. In fact, if it was left up to the Roman Catholic "church" the masses would still be without the Scriptures. The entire Old Testament and the books of the Old Testament were compiled by the year 100AD. This was prior to the papacy being set up in 597AD. The thirteen books ascribed by Paul were compiled and accepted as Scripture between 155AD and 230AD.

If you want to continue to believe the Roman Catholic teachings then go ahead. I am one from the outside looking in, and see that so much more truth exists in the teachings of the Scripture that is taught in the Roman Catholic "church".

God bless you and give you His understanding and wisdom so that you may see clearly to come out of her before Jesus returns so that you will escape the wages of her sins.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

 

[William Putnam]

William,
You can believe the lies that the Roman Catholic institution puts out if you like, but the truth is that the Roman Catholic institution is teaching false doctrines.

Thus saith Solo, his own "pope"?

The papacy did not come into being until 597BC and the twisting of history is something that the Roman Catholic Church had to do in order to establish themselves as the "authority of God" over the masses.

I will give this to you one more time:

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2(A.D. 110),in ANF,I:89

From the web site:

http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/catholic.htm

Notice the date in which St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, wrote this. See also the other interesting quotes that destroys your argument totally.

Jesus Christ is the Head of the REAL Church, and the pope is only a pawn in the war of good and evil. I believe that the pope is on the side of evil or he would have demanded a return to the truth.

I never claimed otherwise! Chrit is the founder and the supreme head of His Church! But he left a second in command behind, a human person, in the person of Peter and his successors, to lead the Church.(Matthew 16:18-19)

God Himself has given us His word through inspired men; God Himself has compiled His word in the first century to be passed unto all the churches throughout the world, not just the church at Rome; God Himself has protected His word through the generations; and God will judge all through His word.

How do you know that? Who told you? Please show me the precise Church in the world between Pentecost and about AD 1000, other then the Catholic Church.

Satan has counterfeited all that he could to lie and deceive mankind so that he could win the war between himself and God; as soon as he was defeated by Jesus' death and resurrection satan began an all out attack on the children of God. Satan infiltrated the church at Rome and began to claim dominance over Christianity worldwide.

Here is what happens to the "Queen of Heaven" religion:

• 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:1-8

Come out of her, William, so that you do not partake of her sins.

Let me see now, from the garbage Jack Chick puts out? No, wait a minute now, Alexander Hislop? Yes, of course and other too! Comntempories that have been refuted down to parade rest constantly.

May God bless you and give you strength to do the will of God Almighty.

You to, Solo.

Perhaps you would be interested in reading this:

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/p/u/putnam_w/My%20Story.htm

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
Thomas Paine

 

[Solo]

William,
The Roman Catholic "church" is a false church. Mark the words contained in the Scripture below, because if you remain in this institution you will reap of her plagues for partaking of her sins:

• 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:1-8

May God bless you and keep you from the destruction reserved for Babylon, the mother of harlots.

 

[William Putnam]

William,
The Roman Catholic "church" is a false church. Mark the words contained in the Scripture below, because if you remain in this institution you will reap of her plagues for partaking of her sins:

• 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:1-8

May God bless you and keep you from the destruction reserved for Babylon, the mother of harlots.

I keep thinking of the words of Peter in his conclusion of 1 Peter 5:13...

"The chosen one at Babylon sends you greeting, as does Mark, my son."

Where do you suppose this "Babylon" was when Peter wrote this? Ancient Babylon was a ruin, no more then a cross-roads in Peter's time, so it could not be that. Scholar's think Peter was speaking of Rome, pagan Rome then, his was there, and of course, the Christians were under great persecution then. You see, if Peter were to say "Rome" where he is, and if his letter were to be intercepted by Roman soldiers, then his presence in Rome is a give-away. But if he uses "Babylon" as a code-word for Rome, An interception would not reveal his presence there in Rome itself.

I also think ( and so do many others) believe that John is speaking of ancient pagan Rome, which he calls "Babylon." He wrote this when he was exiled to the island of Patmos, were he wrote the book of Revelations.

So when you read "come out of her," the adminishment most likely speaks of the evils of the Roman City at the time, paganisn and it excesses.

And so if you can get your nose out of Jack Chick, Hunt, HIslop and a few others, please consider this alternate explanation if you can.

I know it's hard, but give it a try... :angel:

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+



I believe in God,
the Father Almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
Our Lord;
who was conceived by the holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died,
and was buried.

He descended into hell;
the third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
sitteth at the right hand of God,
the Father almighty;
from thence He shall come to judge
the living and the dead.

I believe in the holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

- The Apostles Creed -

 

[francisdesales]

Re: Biblical inspiration...

The gospel of Thomas was written 80 to 110 years after the synoptic gospels, and was held by the gnostics as truth.

From my various links to the Gospel of Thomas, the estimated dating is 70 to 140 AD. That is roughly the same time frame, perhaps a bit later, than the Gospel of John. The Gnostics existed during the time of John, as seen in his writings of 1 John, as well as Paul's writings to the Colossians.

I have read the gospel of Thomas and it is not of God. The Holy Spirit reveals truth.

Well, that is based on circular reasoning. You have already laid out the canon in your mind and anything not in the canon is not of God. However, the canon was put together many years ago. Thus, you are operating under the assumption that those who put the canon together were inspired by God to identify it correctly.

The fact of the matter is that the Gospel came to us through various forms. It didn't come as the Koran. Jesus taught the Apostles orally. For 20 years and more, the Apostles continued to teach orally to the various communities. Only later did these apostles write down what they were taught. What made these writings Scriptures were NOT that they were written down - but that they corresponded to the ORAL teachings that the Apostles had already given to the Church! The bishops of the time had heard the Apostles preach and teach. They KNEW the Gospel from them. Thus, they were able to identify which books were inspired by God by their contents.

The idea that "the Spirit told me" is simply begging the question. It is not valid proof of what books belong in the canon, because other men ALSO claimed to have the Spirit leading THEM - and they wanted to remove books from Scriptures, while others wanted to ADD more.

Every born again, born of God believer has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them.

And where does that imply that the Spirit whispers in your ear what is Scriptures from that verse? You are going well beyond the meaning of that verse, which discusses the impetus behind our actions, not the invisible little "birdie" that tells you what book is Scripture and which isn't... The simple fact that YOU (and I) continue to sin tells me that the Spirit doesn't necessarily lead us in every aspect of our lives.

PS. Although some doubt that Peter wrote 2 Peter, I have no doubt that he dictated it if he did not write it, and I know that it is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you think?

I believe that 2 Peter is inspired by God for the above reasons - that God has given the Church the ability to recognize God's Word. Thus, even if 2 Peter was written by a later generation, it is not significant to me. The men of 100 AD saw within the letter the oral teachings of the Apostles.

The Roman Catholic "church" did nothing to combine the infallible word of God, the Scriptures, that we have today.

Wishful thinking... As I said before, even Martin Luther recognized the role of the Catholic Church in faithfully guarding and proclaiming the Sacred Scriptures. He (and presumably you) disagree with the Church's interpretation of Scriptures, but there is no doubt that the Church preserved them uncorrupted.

The entire Old Testament and the books of the Old Testament were compiled by the year 100AD. This was prior to the papacy being set up in 597AD. The thirteen books ascribed by Paul were compiled and accepted as Scripture between 155AD and 230AD.

Not sure what the 597 AD date means, but I assure you there was a Catholic Church well before that date. St. Ignatius talks about it in 107 AD, and most certainly, he didn't invent the idea, as no one later writes "what is he talking about, Catholic Church? What's that?" EVERYONE knows what that was...

If you want to continue to believe the Roman Catholic teachings then go ahead. I am one from the outside looking in, and see that so much more truth exists in the teachings of the Scripture that is taught in the Roman Catholic "church".

I believe your interpretations of Scriptures that we have previously discussed, such as baptism, are incorrect. You have not convinced me in the slightest that the "truth" exists outside the Church. The Scriptures THEMSELVES tell us that opposite...

I will remain in the Church, where the Scriptures are correctly interpreted, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth. I pray that Wisdom opens your eyes and brings you home to His Body, the Church. God desires all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth - a truth that is found in the Church.

Regards

 

[Solo]

You have the pope telling you what to believe, and I have the Holy Spirit revealing truth to me. I have the mind of Christ so why would I want to follow the mind of a false teacher like the pope? You can follow him if you like but be aware that you have been warned.

 

[Solo]

And so if you can get your nose out of Jack Chick, Hunt, HIslop and a few others, please consider this alternate explanation if you can.

Add my name to the list Chick, Hunt, Hislop, and the others because I am sure that I would be in agreement with them. I haven't read Hislop or Hunt; but I have read some of the documents from Chick before the internet was available. Chick, Hunt, Hislop, and I will all rejoice in Heaven together with those who came out of Babylon the queen.

We will be saddened by the choice of those who do not come out of her, but we will know that that was their choice.

Hopefully you will listen to God and come out of her too.

 

[St. Ambrose]

I have the Holy Spirit revealing truth to me.

So...you believe that you are able to discern correctly in matters of faith and morals due to your guidance by the Holy Spirit?

 

[William Putnam]

You have the pope telling you what to believe, and I have the Holy Spirit revealing truth to me.

Oh how lucky you are! Like a dove, the Holy Spirit must therefore be sitting on your shoulders, whispering into your ear! WOW!

I have the mind of Christ so why would I want to follow the mind of a false teacher like the pope? You can follow him if you like but be aware that you have been warned.

I tell you why! You have become your own "pope" without the trappings!

I am not so lucky. I had to search for it for years, and I found it!

And I suppose you did not read the links I gave...

Have a nice day, Solo...

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+



Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)

 

[golfjack]

reply

What needs to be adressed here is how we are led by the Spirit. Examine Romans 8:16, which says the Spirit itself ( Himself) beareth witness with our spirits.... Underr the New Testament, thanks be to God, we not only have the Spirit of Good upon us, we have Him in us. It does not say, As many as are led by prophets, they are sons of God. The New Testament says, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God ( Romans 8:14).

The inward witness is kind of like womens intuition. For example, When I was saved, I just knew I was because of the inward witness. And you can apply this for all the things of God. We can apply this for what is of God and not, even how many books are to be in the Bible. I have been told by people that I wasn't saved because I didn't belong to their church. Or those who would say, I haven't been baptized their way. But I laughed at them because I had the witness. And I had the love.. 1 John 3:14: We know we have passed from death to life, because we love.

Therefore, I believe the Catholic Church has been led by an evil spirit for centuries to lead them right to hell. Come out of that religious system, and seek the truth of God's Word.



May God bless, Golfjack

 

[William Putnam]

So...you believe that you are able to discern correctly in matters of faith and morals due to your guidance by the Holy Spirit?

Ah, a bit of support here!

And you see that he is, for all intents and purposes, his "own pope." :roll:

Like so many who think they can sit down, the bible is "self-interpretating" (which it certainly is NOT) and determine the correct doctrines of Christianity, as happened with the thousands of disagreeing Protestant denominations who, as we have seen over the years, the fragmentation goes on and on and on...

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+



Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)

 

[William Putnam]

Re: reply

What needs to be adressed here is how we are led by the Spirit. Examine Romans 8:16, which says the Spirit itself ( Himself) beareth witness with our spirits.... Underr the New Testament, thanks be to God, we not only have the Spirit of Good upon us, we have Him in us. It does not say, As many as are led by prophets, they are sons of God. The New Testament says, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God ( Romans 8:14).

But that does not mean that we are instant theologians that can interpret scripture for ourselves without ht ehleadership of the very Church Christ founded! I also believe tht the Holy Spirit leads me as well, but not to go off on a toot, determining what scripture is saying or otherwise attempt to devise doctrine for myself, again, without hte guidance of the Church.

The inward witness is kind of like womens intuition. For example, When I was saved, I just knew I was because of the inward witness. And you can apply this for all the things of God. We can apply this for what is of God and not, even how many books are to be in the Bible. I have been told by people that I wasn't saved because I didn't belong to their church. Or those who would say, I haven't been baptized their way. But I laughed at them because I had the witness. And I had the love.. 1 John 3:14: We know we have passed from death to life, because we love.

1. I have had those same experiences, and yes, I believe as Led by the Holy Spirit.

2. But I do not claim tht you are not saved because you do not belong to my Church!

Therefore, I believe the Catholic Church has been led by an evil spirit for centuries to lead them right to hell. Come out of that religious system, and seek the truth of God's Word.

Did the Church wallow in error sometime from Pentecost until about A.D. 1000, where there was only ONE Church in existence?

Or can you provide me evidence that there was the "true church" that was silent, hidden, and in opposition to the Church St. Ignatius called "Catholic" in A.D. 110?

If so, please show me the documentation in her writings, artifacts and archeology AFTER the close of the apostolic erea until about A.D. 1000..

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+



Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)

 

[golfjack]

reply

Bill, Study John 14:26: But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Fathere will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. This verse certainly dooesn't say God will send me a Pope or any man to teach me.

What are the attributes of the Holy Spirit? Does He teach that there is a purgatory? Does He teach that I must pray a rosary? Does He teach Mary had no sin? Does He teach we are to pray for the dead? What you need to do is study the Word and listen to what the Spirit of God has to say about the questions listed.

You say your Church has much truth through the centuries? Do you really think that God would approve of killing millions of Jews? Just research history to see what your church did throughout the centuries. As far as I am concerned, the Catholic Church has no credibility whatsoever.



May God bless, Golfjack

 

[William Putnam]

Re: reply

Bill, Study John 14:26: But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Fathere will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. This verse certainly dooesn't say God will send me a Pope or any man to teach me.

All by yourself, in the privacy of your own home?

Or are you to reference your study, prayers and reflection with the authoritative Church Christ established?

What are the attributes of the Holy Spirit? Does He teach that there is a purgatory? Does He teach that I must pray a rosary? Does He teach Mary had no sin? Does He teach we are to pray for the dead? What you need to do is study the Word and listen to what the Spirit of God has to say about the questions listed.

Yes the Holy Spirit does teach that - Through Holy Mother Chruch! Taht is why the Church was established, golfjack, with awesome authority as seen in Matthew 16:18-19!

You say your Church has much truth through the centuries? Do you really think that God would approve of killing millions of Jews? Just research history to see what your church did throughout the centuries. As far as I am concerned, the Catholic Church has no credibility whatsoever.

No, I would not God approves of such a thing! And the Church condemned Nazism for that very thing!

Now, if your are going to re-introduce that nonsense that I have already discussed before, then forget it! I will not go there again, as I will simply be banging my head against a brick wall!

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+



Almighty and eternal God, you gather
the scattered sheep

and watch over those
you have gathered.

Look kindly on all who follow Jesus,
your Son.

You have marked them
with the seal of one baptism,
now make them one
in the fullness of faith
and unite them in the bond of love.

We ask this through Christ our Lord.

Amen.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

I have been reading a book called "the everlasting hills," by thomas Cahill. In it cahill talks about how Paul wrote Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galations, 1 Thesselonians, and Philemon. But Ephesians, 2 Thessolonians may not have been written by Paul, but by a close follower. But even more interesting is that Titus, 1 timothy and hebrews were all written decades after Paul's death. How can the "word of god" be inspired, but god, but not written by who is credited with its authorship. Cahill then goes on to tell that Titus, 1 Timothy, and Hebrews perversely contradict Paul's theology. HOW CAN THIS BE THE WORD OF GOD IF IT IS ALL MISTAKES LIKE THIS? How can this be credited as "divine?" Anyone care to explain?

I guess nobody has anything to offer?

Tentex25, did you get the answers to your questions?

 

[Solo]

So...you believe that you are able to discern correctly in matters of faith and morals due to your guidance by the Holy Spirit?

Yes, as I walk in the spirit.

 

[St. Ambrose]

What I just stated, Solo, was the definition of Papal Infallibity. The next time you condemn the Pope, remember you claim you have the same authority I claim he (the Pope) has.

The difference, brother, is that Jesus told St. Peter to feed his sheep, and He gave St. Peter the keys to the kingdom, and He gave St. Peter the authority to bind and loose. Not you. Not me.

20 Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

Pax Vobis,

Ambrose

 

[francisdesales]

You have the pope telling you what to believe, and I have the Holy Spirit revealing truth to me. I have the mind of Christ so why would I want to follow the mind of a false teacher like the pope? You can follow him if you like but be aware that you have been warned.

No, you don't have the Holy Spirit revealing truth to you when you make such comments about the Church He built...

Sorry, but the Holy Spirit has been speaking to the Catholic Church LONG before your claim. How do you know that the Holy Spirit is speaking to you, anyway? Can you verify that? I think not.

The Holy Spirit doesn't lie, and He has been speaking to Catholics for a long time. I can't say who has been speaking to you in these instances.

Regards