How can we know God's "voice?"

[Caroline H]

Are you suggesting that God does not require us to exhibit faith in Him?

 

[Guest]

Are you suggesting that God does not require us to exhibit faith in Him?

I think Orion is attempting to argue God does not expect the believe to have faith without reason.

 

[Orion]

I'm just saying my thoughts on judging a person based on their "ability to have faith in the unproven".

 

[Orion]

Are you suggesting that God does not require us to exhibit faith in Him?

I think Orion is attempting to argue God does not expect the believe to have faith without reason.

Well, you often DO have to throw "reason" out the window. But, yes, that could be another way to look at it.

 

[Guest]

Well, you often DO have to through "reason" out the window.

It should be noted you are employing a different definition of reason than my summation intended. That said, I disagree with your statement because reason includes both inductive and deductive thought.

 

[Relic]

Define what you think is Faith, Orion. And PLEASE! no one else post the answer! Let ORION DO IT!!!!!

Define what you think is Faith, Orion.

Faith is the acceptance of something as true.

I specifially requested that only Orion answer the question.

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[Orion]

I am just stating what I think. For ME, I don't find faith (religious) to be enough to sentence someone on, when that person doesn't have all the facts, me included, when the judge would not know the condition the way we do.

 

[Caroline H]

Who is talking about judging someone? We were talking about hearing God's voice....I thought

 

[Guest]

I am just stating what I think. For ME, I don't find faith (religious) to be enough to sentence someone on, when that person doesn't have all the facts, me included, when the judge would not know the condition the way we do.

Then, "for me," faith is not necessarily blind. Faith can be reasonable. That is, faith can be based upon inductive arguments which make a reasonable case for drawing such conclusions.

 

[Guest]

I specifially requested that only Orion answer the question.

I know.

 

[Orion]

I am just stating what I think. For ME, I don't find faith (religious) to be enough to sentence someone on, when that person doesn't have all the facts, me included, when the judge would not know the condition the way we do.

Then, "for me," faith is not necessarily blind. Faith can be reasonable. That is, faith can be based upon inductive arguments which make a reasonable case for drawing such conclusions.

If you would, I would like to hear some examples of what you say. Thanks!

 

[Guest]

If you would, I would like to hear some examples of what you say. Thanks!

To save time, are you familiar with how arguments are formed and the difference between inductive and deductive arguments, and willing to accept my definition of faith provided above?

 

[Orion]

Familiar enough. Go ahead.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

There are many definitions. In a religion, though, it is believing in that which holds no proof. This faith comes from accepting the doctrines therein, preached on Sunday, and personal times of reading the holy texts. The danger of this is, MANY religions do the same thing.

My point about "faith and God" is that God is said to know all things, yet requires US to accept something that IS unknown and could not be proven. This would be something that would be foreign to God, having to believe in something by faith alone, yet judging based on it.

I disagree with your definition of faith. I can tell you that my faith is not "blind" and has come from a very thorough discovery process from a philisophical, historical and spiritual context. I didn't just read the bible and decide to "blindly" follow Christ and God because scripture told me to do so. For me, the bible became critical more after I decided to follow God and as a result of me determining what I should, can and will believe.

I think many atheists incorrectly think of faith as "blind" when that is far from the case. Just my 2 cents.

 

[mondar]

Then, "for me," faith is not necessarily blind. Faith can be reasonable. That is, faith can be based upon inductive arguments which make a reasonable case for drawing such conclusions.

Reasonable to whom?

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Then, "for me," faith is not necessarily blind. Faith can be reasonable. That is, faith can be based upon inductive arguments which make a reasonable case for drawing such conclusions.

Reasonable to whom?

Reasonable to the individual making the decision to believe or not.

 

[Guest]

Familiar enough. Go ahead.

I'm skeptical, but go ahead and open a new thread.

 

[Guest]

Then, "for me," faith is not necessarily blind. Faith can be reasonable. That is, faith can be based upon inductive arguments which make a reasonable case for drawing such conclusions.

Reasonable to whom?

Wrong question. The question should be, "Reasonable in what context?"

 

[Sparkey]

We are told to repent and be baptized and we shall receive the Gift of the Father.

To answer the question about how we might be able to "know" God's voice, if we believe on the one who is sent we are able to understand. Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice and will not follow another."

How can we know God's voice? Some can't.

If we ask our own dads here on earth for a good gift, will he give us a stone? How much more so does our heavenly Father know how to give good gifts to His children!

May we now turn to ancient customs for a little teach-n-preach? Bread in those days wasn't store-bought Wonder Bread®. It was somewhat flattened and hard crusted.

Scripture ponders the question, "If we ask for bread will our Father give us a stone?" There was a visible similarity between the two. Bread in those days may have looked like stones I can almost picture a little boy out in the desert searching for just the perfect stone to come home and play a trick on his family. Were Mary and Joseph surprised??? Scripture doesn't say this but it does declare that Jesus is the true mana from heaven. He descended from God and spoke the word of truth because he is the word of truth. That word is written into the saints that have circumcised their hearts (so to speak) and can be heard even today from their lips. < My sheep know my voice >

Those with an ear to hear, let them hear!
Our Messiah Christ Jesus is alive --- he is both at the right hand of the Father -AND- in us. We can indeed know God's voice. The question isn't how well He speaks, but instead how well we hear. I like the scripture about bread and stones. "If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children -- how much more so your Heavenly Father?"

Isa 42:19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect*, and blind as the LORD'S servant?
Luk 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

*Note: 'Perfect' per Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions
ש×Âל×Â
shâlam
shaw-lam'
A primitive root; to be safe (in mind, body or estate); figuratively to be (causatively make) completed; by implication to be friendly; by extension to reciprocate (in various applications): - make amends, (make an) end, finish, full, give again, make good, (re-) pay (again), (make) (to) (be at) peace (-able), that is perfect, perform, (make) prosper (-ous), recompense, render, requite, make restitution, restore, reward, X surely.

Ever try to make bread look like a stone? Good joke that! :crazy

 

[Relic]

I specifially requested that only Orion answer the question.

I know.

Was that "polite" ? :naughty

May as well take that word "polite" out of your avatar then, aye?

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