How do we 'recognize' The Spirit

[Solo]

Wow, what a manipulative way of 'trying' to 'force' a doctrine upon others. I readily confess that Christ HAS come IN THE FLESH. But, unless I bow down and worship 'trinity', I am lost................. Can't you see the negativity of such a doctrine. Where is the Love, my friend? Love God with all your heart, mind and soul, love your neighbor AS yourself. All the law and the prophets hang on 'these TWO'. So, EVERYTHING that has been written AS LAW and ALL the prophets that have ever uttered a word inspired by God hang on TWO principles. There is NO 'trinity' here.

When Christ was called 'good' He explained in DETAIL that there is NONE that is good save ONE; GOD. This He said directly AFTER correcting someone for calling Him good. But you would manipulate this knowledge for the sake of a 'man-made' doctrine? You would choose to follow a doctrine that was created by the SAME people that tourchered and murdered others that were the 'true' Saints of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? Forsaking what He Himself told us of him self in favor of the teachings of men that had 'previously' fed Christians to lions and hacked them to pieces for shear enjoyment? I suppose that it's alright to 'carve statues' of Christ and worship them too AS God?

Solo, I will pray for you. I have in the past and will do so again in the hopes that The Spirit may guide you to an understanding of what 'truly' matters to our Father and His Son. For doctrines of men are NOT what matters to God. When asked HOW we should pray, Christ specifically stated, "OUR FATHER................. This WAS Christ praying.

I would like a 'trin' to offer ONE line of scripture that states Christ was God the Son. Just one. Seems kinda suspicious that this does NOT exist. Why. Why would God be so 'secretive' about 'who' He REALLY is? I say secretive, for HIS OWN PEOPLE know NOT this doctrine of 'trinity'. Christ was SENT to His OWN people, yet they were told NOTHING about this 'triune' nature that you insist MUST be accepted to KNOW God. Funny, I don't remember Moses mentioning a 'triune' God. Or ANY of the prophets for THOUSANDS of YEARS. As a matter of FACT, I don't remember Christ Himself mentioning this 'triune' nature that you place SO much FAITH in. I wonder why?

Even John that the 'trins' place SO much emphasis on when 'trying' to prove 'trinity' NEVER MENTIONED THIS CONCEPT. Strange isn't it? That NONE of the apostles even MENTIONED it? This ALL important doctrine and it is NEVER ONCE mentioned by God, Christ, His apostles or EVEN HIS OWN CHOSEN PEOPLE.

And, when we consider that these SAME people that 'created trinity' were WARNED by Paul in his letter to them that this EXACT thing would happen, it is utterly amazing to me that it is so difficult to let go of.

You have a 'strange' God Solo. One that is much different than the ONE I know. For the God that I worship is a God of Love. He is not a 'secretive, hidden, or deceitful God, but our Father that loves us So much that He sent His OWN SON to die for our sins so that we won't have to. A God that loves us SO much that He is willing to forgive us OVER AND OVER again.

You continue to defend this doctrine and seem to hold it dearer to your heart than God Himself. And to what end? That you would use it to 'judge' your brothers and sisters? Funny, but I don't remember Christ EVER 'forcing' or manipulating ANYONE to 'accept' Him. For that matter, NEITHER has God HIMSELF.

You ignore the scriptures while ranting about your beliefs. I believed that Jesus Christ was not God when I was an unbeliever. After I became born again, I came to Know God in his fulness. While I was an unbeliever, I attended a Trinity Lutheran Church, but I did not believe in the Trinity. I am now born again, and I know Jesus Christ is God. Simple. One day hopefully you will come to know God almighty, instead of god of cultic lore.

 

[Klee shay]

You ignore the scriptures while ranting about your beliefs.

I need to point something out.

I believed that Jesus Christ was not God when I was an unbeliever. After I became born again, I came to Know God in his fulness. While I was an unbeliever, I attended a Trinity Lutheran Church, but I did not believe in the Trinity. I am now born again, and I know Jesus Christ is God. Simple. One day hopefully you will come to know God almighty, instead of god of cultic lore.

Your allegeance to doctrine over a heart for righteous judgement, has rendered you a hypocrite. For you deny your brother what you can freely enjoy yourself.

Even Jesus washed the feet of his brethren after John The Baptist proclaimed he was not worthy to unlatch the shoes of him.

And Jesus answering said unto him, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." MATTHEW 3:15

You see it is not enough to be righteous in understanding who Christ is alone. One must humble themselves as Christ did to fulfil all righteousness. Maybe when you do that Solo, people will view your scriptural interpretations as just rather than pious hypocracy.

But I don't blame you Solo, I blame the programing of the doctrine which teaches you to look for the antichrist in others rather than Christ.

 

[Solo]

You ignore the scriptures while ranting about your beliefs.

I need to point something out.

I believed that Jesus Christ was not God when I was an unbeliever. After I became born again, I came to Know God in his fulness. While I was an unbeliever, I attended a Trinity Lutheran Church, but I did not believe in the Trinity. I am now born again, and I know Jesus Christ is God. Simple. One day hopefully you will come to know God almighty, instead of god of cultic lore.

Your allegeance to doctrine over a heart for righteous judgement, has rendered you a hypocrite. For you deny your brother what you can freely enjoy yourself.

Even Jesus washed the feet of his brethren after John The Baptist proclaimed he was not worthy to unlatch the shoes of him.

And Jesus answering said unto him, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." MATTHEW 3:15

You see it is not enough to be righteous in understanding who Christ is alone. One must humble themselves as Christ did to fulfil all righteousness. Maybe when you do that Solo, people will view your scriptural interpretations as just rather than pious hypocracy.

But I don't blame you Solo, I blame the programing of the doctrine which teaches you to look for the antichrist in others rather than Christ.

You have just become that which you label me with, however, I don't hold this against you; I only pray for your continued growth in the Word so that you will one day become a child of God, knowing God in his fullness. It is one thing to say that you believe that Christ came in the flesh, but it is yet another to say that you believe that God came in the flesh. That is what separates the Spirit of God from the spirit of antiChrist.

 

[Imagican]

Solo,

You ignore the scriptures while ranting about your beliefs. I believed that Jesus Christ was not God when I was an unbeliever. After I became born again, I came to Know God in his fulness. While I was an unbeliever, I attended a Trinity Lutheran Church, but I did not believe in the Trinity. I am now born again, and I know Jesus Christ is God. Simple. One day hopefully you will come to know God almighty, instead of god of cultic lore.

First: I ignore nothing of the sort. I simply have a 'different' understanding of it is all.

And PLEASE, let me be clear. I have come to my understanding 'outside' of the churches. I was 'brought' to the understanding that I now have through NO will of my own other than a desire for the 'truth'. I was 'lead' to the Word and through that and a bit of historical study, I have come to know God through His Son. The history part has offered a very clear view of 'trinity' and 'how' it was introduced into organized religion.

Galatians 1:

1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

17Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

18Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

19But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

20Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

21Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

22And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

23But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

24And they glorified God in me.

I believe that there is MUCH to be learned from these words. A warning that men would, (and already had), begin to 'create' their OWN doctrines concerning the gospels and letters written by the apostles. Twisting, or as Paul testified, Perverting the 'truth' into something to 'please' themselves.

Also note that Christ and God, the Father, are spoken of as SEPARATE entities. God THE FATHER, and His Son Jesus Christ. There is NO 'trinity' here PERIOD.

It becomes pretty obvious when one considers the 'whole'; The Word and the history that we have access to, that people are 'gung-ho' to worship ANYTHING that they consider to 'be' God. I believe that this is 'inherent' in each and every one of us. And, just as there were those that attempted to 'worship' the apostles, there were CERTAINLY going to be those that would 'choose' to worship Christ AS THE FATHER. Turning Him into 'something' other than what He truly was/ IS. This is NOT surprising.

Now Solo, LOOK at those that 'created' trinity and HOW they chose to worship Christ. Carving statues in His likeness? and bowing to these and worshiping them. Worshiping His mother AS the QUEEN of heaven? Carving statues of Saints and worshiping them. Bowing to a 'Pope' and worshiping him. Can't you see how they 'altered' the doctrine 'given them' into something of 'their OWN creation'? And then, when we take into consideration HOW they 'led' their 'flocks' it then becomes PERFECTLY OBVIOUS that these followed NOT The Spirit, but some 'other spirit'. And you choose to 'trust' their manipulation of scripture over the words of God, Christ, and the apostles whom we credit with the documentation of the life and death of Jesus Christ.

I, on the other hand, am able to understand ONLY what is revealed to me. I know that God IS The Father, and Christ IS His Son. This I know better than I know my own self. I know this NOT from the teachings of men, but from what has 'been given me' of the Father, through His Son. I warn ALL, each and every one of those that 'claim' an understanding of God and His Son, FLEE, FLEE, FLEE from the teachings of men and accept that which is 'given FREELY' of the Father. Strive to develope a personal relationship with the Father through His Son and leave the 'religion of the world',,,,,,,,,,,to the world.

Love God with everything you've got and somehow learn to love you neighbor as yourself. To do these is a 'lifetime' of labor without being 'caught up in' or 'led by' fantasy or fairy tales. Learn to LOVE God and He WILL teach you how to LOVE your neighbor. All the rest is nothing but snares to entangle those that are willing to consider that which is NOT prudent.

 

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Imagican wrote: Love God with everything you've got and somehow learn to love you neighbor as yourself. To do these is a 'lifetime' of labor without being 'caught up in' or 'led by' fantasy or fairy tales. Learn to LOVE God and He WILL teach you how to LOVE your neighbor. All the rest is nothing but snares to entangle those that are willing to consider that which is NOT prudent.

Well said, Imagican. I would only add that which the disciples agreed that would necessary from the OT laws; to abstain from eating blood, meat offered to idols, and from fornication (which I believe is all sexual activity outside of God sanctioned marriage). Everything else is covered in the concept of love for God and fellow man.

 

[Imagican]

Solo,

You have just become that which you label me with, however, I don't hold this against you; I only pray for your continued growth in the Word so that you will one day become a child of God, knowing God in his fullness. It is one thing to say that you believe that Christ came in the flesh, but it is yet another to say that you believe that God came in the flesh. That is what separates the Spirit of God from the spirit of antiChrist.


What you have stated here is 'partial' truth. In that WE TOO, AS Christ Himself ARE children of God. Heirs of His to one day live WITH Him, along with His ONLY begotten, Our KING, Jesus Christ.

And NO, what the Spirit of anti-Christ is, is that which is 'against' Christ. I am NOT against Christ and would beware, if I were you, of accusing others of such. For how YOU judge, so too will you be judged. Not of me, for I am NO judge of others.

I do disern the spirits by which others confess a belief in. And we have PERFECT examples of the spirit followed by those that 'created trinity'. Hatred towards their brothers and sisters in Christ. hate is NOT of The Spirit. Just the opposite in fact.

I do appreciate me being in other's prayers though. The fact is that I could USE as MUCH intercession as POSSIBLE. For, you see, I AM a lowly worm deserving of NOTHING but death. Certainly NOT worthy of the love that has 'freely' been given me from God. And I will pray that you too are given the understanding of the 'truth' as God will's it.

I hope that you understand, Solo, that I have taken NOTHING personal that you have stated. I understand how 'easy' it could be to follow that which is offered. I understand also that it is 'easier' to 'follow' the churches than not. And to follow them, one is compelled to follow their doctrines. Fortunately for me, I did NOT have this to 'overcome' in my understanding. I would imagine that it could be very difficult to 'let go' of that which one has 'believed', even when faced with a 'truth', that differs from their beliefs.

We are EACH and every one of us given what the Father wills. Our understanding can be NO greater than He allows. For it is up to Him to reveal exactly 'what' we understand. The important issue is NOT 'how much' we understand, but that 'what' we understand is the 'truth'. For Christ gave us the perfect example of what is expected of us when He placed a child on His knee and stated that 'such as these 'innocent' ones WILL inherit the Kingdom'.

Organized religion, (for the sake of seeming 'bigger' than US), have indoctinated MUCH traditional baggage that is TOTALLY unnesessary in the lives of those that LOVE God. They have created a 'dependency' upon themselves of those that they lead. Insisting that 'their way' is the ONLY way. I deny this and will attempt to 'warn' EVERYONE that I am able that the churches are NOTHING without The Church as it's members. And The Church has little NEED for a body that is 'sick' or 'diseased'. We have Revelation to point out how 'decrepid' The Church itself will become in the future. Much of the future, from the perspective of Revelation, HAS ALREADY COME TO PASS.

Solo, If you will do just a 'tad' of research in the proper perspective, you too will see that The Church began to 'fall apart' shortly after it's inception. It wasn't meant to 'become' that which governs 'this' world. It was ONLY meant for enough to 'last' until Christ's return. And upon His return, there will still ONLY be a 'few' that have truly followed Him to the Father. For 'straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it'. And fewer still that find it and follow it.

So, when you see people 'flocking' towards a 'doctrine' or a 'new church' or some new 'Christian music', beware, for this is that which the 'world' seeks and there will be 'little' if ANY truth found by running after those that proclaim, "Here is Christ", follow me.

 

[Klee shay]

You ignore the scriptures while ranting about your beliefs.

I need to point something out.

I believed that Jesus Christ was not God when I was an unbeliever. After I became born again, I came to Know God in his fulness. While I was an unbeliever, I attended a Trinity Lutheran Church, but I did not believe in the Trinity. I am now born again, and I know Jesus Christ is God. Simple. One day hopefully you will come to know God almighty, instead of god of cultic lore.

Your allegeance to doctrine over a heart for righteous judgement, has rendered you a hypocrite. For you deny your brother what you can freely enjoy yourself.

Even Jesus washed the feet of his brethren after John The Baptist proclaimed he was not worthy to unlatch the shoes of him.

And Jesus answering said unto him, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." MATTHEW 3:15

You see it is not enough to be righteous in understanding who Christ is alone. One must humble themselves as Christ did to fulfil all righteousness. Maybe when you do that Solo, people will view your scriptural interpretations as just rather than pious hypocracy.

But I don't blame you Solo, I blame the programing of the doctrine which teaches you to look for the antichrist in others rather than Christ.

You have just become that which you label me with, however, I don't hold this against you; I only pray for your continued growth in the Word so that you will one day become a child of God, knowing God in his fullness. It is one thing to say that you believe that Christ came in the flesh, but it is yet another to say that you believe that God came in the flesh. That is what separates the Spirit of God from the spirit of antiChrist.

I will accept your criticism and take it on board, as my love for righteous behaviour does not make me exempt from criticism.

May God go before you today. :D