How Do You Honor the Sabbath?

[jocor]

Not reacting to any specific member or post, but I was hoping to focus more on practice (how) rather than timing (when). Which day is the actual Sabbath, if any, is certainly an important topic, just not the topic I was driving for here. Granted that it might be unavoidable to discuss the one without a mention of the other.

I gave you some practical points in post#9. Jethro added more in post#50 by referencing Isa 58:13. If you have something more specific that you are questioning, then please ask a specific question like, "Is it OK to __________________ on the Sabbath?"

 

[jocor]

No one has mentioned football.

Go Jets! I'm so thankful they play on Sundays rather than the Sabbath.

 

[smaller]

You gave up performance requirements in your faith in Christ?

The law is not of faith. Gal. 3:12. Anything not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23. Do the math.

 

[smaller]

Actually, it is Paul that told us the fleshly inclined mind cannot subject itself to Yahweh's Law.

I fully accept every command line in the scriptures as delineated by Paul in Romans 13:8-10.

As soon as some "man" or "sect" takes any line of scripture and adds an "or else" to it, it is now a law with condemnation and penalty attached to it. That, I do not practice as a matter of faith.

I'm happy to do assembly. But if the pews are filled with people doing so in order to dodge the penalty, it is merely an assembly of people trying to save their own hides by works, and that isn't possible.

Is your mind subject to His Law? If so, then subject yourself to the 4th commandment as well as the other 9. If not, then you are the subject of Paul's teaching.

The law is spiritual and faith works through/by love.

It takes exactly ZERO faith to drive to a church building on Sat. or not eat pork. Those are merely external exercises that anyone without faith can do. There is no connection with external legalism and faith.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The law is not of faith. Gal. 3:12. Anything not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23. Do the math.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18 NASB) is not of faith? How so?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It takes exactly ZERO faith to drive to a church building on Sat. or not eat pork. Those are merely external exercises that anyone without faith can do. There is no connection with external legalism and faith.

The mistake you make is thinking it is utterly impossible to keep the law because of faith in Christ, and that a person who does that can only being doing that out of self-righteous works.
Don't you realize that when a believer loves their neighbor as themselves they are keeping the law of Moses because of faith? But you are saying that is no connection between external legalism (law keeping) and faith.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm happy to do assembly. But if the pews are filled with people doing so in order to dodge the penalty, it is merely an assembly of people trying to save their own hides by works, and that isn't possible.

Then why do you 'do not murder' (assuming you keep that, lol).

 

[smaller]

"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18 NASB) is not of faith? How so?

Oh, yeah, I'm SURE that in some if not most assemblies the members thereof are fully engaged in judging anyone who didn't show up on a particular day/time to potential eternal damnation. These are really assemblies of wolves in the internal sense, waiting to devour the flock and to self justify their own hides.

I'm just not into that my friend, as it is a violation of Gods INTERNAL Commandments to abide in His Love and to share that with others, likewise.

You guys can do whatever you please. When it comes to law/condemnation and penalty, it's legalism, period.

And that I do not practice.

You also understand that if people want to play the legalist game, a person can show up for "church" and if they thought in their heart they did NOT want to be there, that would be a violation of law in Jesus' Eyes. The mere thought of sin IS sin. And when legalism is inserted the MIND will react adversely because of indwelling sin. It will result false justifications of SELF and condemnations of others every single time.

I have no interest in such assemblies. They can do what they want. I don't hold any ill toward such for their practice. But I'm not interested in condemnation of any believer for any reason, period. That's where I draw my line. I won't inhale that smoke and fire meal to other believers.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

As soon as some "man" or "sect" takes any line of scripture and adds an "or else" to it, it is now a law with condemnation and penalty attached to it.

And that is wrong why?

"But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake." (Romans 13: NASB)

Paul is saddling the church with law with condemnation and penalty attached to it. And not just for fear of 'or else', but for the sake of conscience. Should I ignore him?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You guys can do whatever you please. When it comes to law/condemnation and penalty, it's legalism, period.

And that I do not practice.

But you and others are condemning jocor (with penalty) for keeping the Sabbath. How is that not hypocritical?

 

[smaller]

Then why do you 'do not murder' (assuming you keep that, lol).

I think legalist assemblies are filled to the brim with murderers in the internal sense.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[smaller]

But you and others are condemning jocor (with penalty) for keeping the Sabbath. How is that not hypocritical?

Do what you want. I have no interest in leaping headlong into condemnation of believers over the practice of law. If I need to observe judgment, you know what direction I'll look to and leave the believers out of the equations.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think legalist assemblies are filled to the brim with murderers in the internal sense.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

But I sense a ton of hate in the way you're coming down on jocor. Just being honest.

 

[smaller]

And that is wrong why?
"But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake." (Romans 13: NASB)

Paul is saddling the church with law with condemnation and penalty attached to it. And not just for fear of 'or else', but for the sake of conscience. Should I ignore him?

Paul is speaking in that stretch of civil law. An entirely different matter.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The mere thought of sin IS sin.

Oh, that's right. I forgot. Jesus was a sinner because he was tempted in the same manner we are.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Paul is speaking in that stretch of civil law. An entirely different matter.

He's imposing it on the church. So how is that another entirely different matter of "some "man" or "sect" takes any line of scripture and adds an "or else" to it, it is now a law with condemnation and penalty attached to it."

 

[smaller]

But I sense a ton of hate in the way you're coming down on jocor. Just being honest.

Believers can't hate each others any more than to condemn other believers on the basis of laws. The law brings wrath into the heart. Romans 4:15. So, what does a legalist practice? Wrath. That's what arises in their hearts to other believers who do not 'do like their self justified selves do.' I just ain't interested.

 

[smaller]

Oh, that's right. I forgot. Jesus was a sinner because he was tempted in the same manner we are.

Not interested in a conversation with your imaginations posing as my sights either.

The tempter had nothing IN Jesus. None of us can make that statement truthfully.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Believers can't hate each others any more than to condemn other believers on the basis of laws. The law brings wrath into the heart. Romans 4:15. So, what does a legalist practice? Wrath. That's what arises in their hearts to other believers who do not 'do like their self justified selves do.' I just ain't interested.

So Paul was a legalist then. Is that what you're saying?

 

[smaller]

He's imposing it on the church. So how is that another entirely different matter of "some "man" or "sect" takes any line of scripture and adds an "or else" to it, it is now a law with condemnation and penalty attached to it."

The law of the world, worst case sense, is only able to end a person's flesh life. So they are limited in what they can do.

Christians on the other hand CAN extend, in their own hearts, eternal condemnation to other believers. And they are not doing themselves any internal favors by doing so.