How does Pork Kill you?

[Vic C.]

Nice save, Jeff!

 

[Fembot]

Hmmmm. Heroin or crack? Lemme see :D

Ohh, I get it. Sorry I'm so slow Both leave little to desire.. Heroin or crack. Got it

Good times Stove...

 

[follower of Christ]

Nobody is perfect. We all have shortcomings. Eat all the pork you want, pollute God's temple, be 300 lbs. It is not my business. I'm just stating the fact of the matter.

Me 300 lbs :rolling

Anyway, lets look at some simple facts ok?
Since Cholesterol is a silent killer, lets look at Pork verses Lamb.

First, lets look at Pork.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/pork-products/2277/2
Cholesterol
78.2 mg %DV 26%
Total Fat
5.7 g %DV 9%


Now lets look at Lamb
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/lamb ... cts/4669/2
Cholesterol
1683 mg %DV 561%
Total Fat
29.6 g %DV 46%

From the surface, it looks like I'd get fat quicker and clog my arteries quicker by eating lamb...

Very interesting data.

From my understanding Pork is actually one of the healthier meats, along with fish and possibly white meat of chicken, WHEN it is PROPERLY prepared...

 

[stranger]

Fembot wrote:,

If God says that we shouldn't eat something, why find reasons to argue with God?

“You are the temple of God†(I Cor. 3:16).

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to youâ€Â

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.â€Â

Hello,

As you point out the pig is regarded as unclean by God - this is sufficient basis in and of itself. As such there may be a price tag attached to eating pork by way of a future revealed judgment from God. Lots of things come back to bite humanity with undreamed of consequences that never entered the hearts and minds of men.

Another perspective/// Using parts of animals ... for transplants into humans is objectionable by association to the unclean. I think it does violence to the sacred image and likeness of God that we are created in. Voilating that image (of God) makes us 'less human' and may even mean we can never become truly human.

blessings

blessings

 

[Dave Slayer]

Porky Pig eats pork and he is still alive! In fact, he pigs out on it.

;)

 

[stovebolts]

Another perspective/// Using parts of animals ... for transplants into humans is objectionable by association to the unclean. I think it does violence to the sacred image and likeness of God that we are created in. Voilating that image (of God) makes us 'less human' and may even mean we can never become truly human.

Stranger,

I'm sorry, that's just an absurd statment...

This caught my eye in particular because one day, I WILL go in for open heart surgery and I will have to decide what type of heart valve I will use to replace my current, defective and deteriorating heart valves.
I have two choices because the Ross procedure will not work for me since I will need both the Aortic and Mitral valves replaced ). My two replacement choices are
1. Pig valve
2. Mechanical valve. (Can you say Terminator :D )

The way I see it, I have to make a decision.
1. Reject the surgery and become less human (die)
or
2. Accept the surgery, thus extending my humanity by experiencing many more years with my wife and family.

I'm in no hurry to leave this world...

If I reject the surgery and die early, I feel that that this is a selfish decision because I just don't think my family would want me to die. I kind of get the idea that I'm needed for awhile longer. Besides, when God was finished with his creation, he didn't just say that it was good, he said that it was Very Good. Hey, if what God created is good enough for God, it's good enough for me! :yes

Philippians 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labor: yet what I shall choose I know not. For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

As far as being created in the Image of God, I get the idea that we prolly have a different theological view on Gen 2:7 ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

As you point out the pig is regarded as unclean by God - this is sufficient basis in and of itself. As such there may be a price tag attached to eating pork by way of a future revealed judgment from God. Lots of things come back to bite humanity with undreamed of consequences that never entered the hearts and minds of men.

Huh.
So God is going to judge man when GODS word is what shows us that we meats are no longer 'unclean' and that we can eat any meats we want to now ?
Seems like 'god' is setting people up..dont ya think ?

 

[follower of Christ]

Very good post SteveBolts.
Its easy enough for us to judge another, but my guess is that MOST would, when their own lives were on the line, willingly and graciously accept even a pigs heart valve, in order to spend a few more years with their families.
Good luck brother. We will definitely add you to our prayer list.

Another perspective/// Using parts of animals ... for transplants into humans is objectionable by association to the unclean. I think it does violence to the sacred image and likeness of God that we are created in. Voilating that image (of God) makes us 'less human' and may even mean we can never become truly human.

Stranger,

I'm sorry, that's just an absurd statment...

This caught my eye in particular because one day, I WILL go in for open heart surgery and I will have to decide what type of heart valve I will use to replace my current, defective and deteriorating heart valves.
I have two choices because the Ross procedure will not work for me since I will need both the Aortic and Mitral valves replaced ). My two replacement choices are
1. Pig valve
2. Mechanical valve. (Can you say Terminator :D )

The way I see it, I have to make a decision.
1. Reject the surgery and become less human (die)
or
2. Accept the surgery, thus extending my humanity by experiencing many more years with my wife and family.

I'm in no hurry to leave this world...

If I reject the surgery and die early, I feel that that this is a selfish decision because I just don't think my family would want me to die. I kind of get the idea that I'm needed for awhile longer. Besides, when God was finished with his creation, he didn't just say that it was good, he said that it was Very Good. Hey, if what God created is good enough for God, it's good enough for me! :yes

Philippians 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labor: yet what I shall choose I know not. For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

As far as being created in the Image of God, I get the idea that we prolly have a different theological view on Gen 2:7 ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

Another perspective/// Using parts of animals ... for transplants into humans is objectionable by association to the unclean. I think it does violence to the sacred image and likeness of God that we are created in. Voilating that image (of God) makes us 'less human' and may even mean we can never become truly human.

The audacity.

Let me say this much...*IF* you think that the 'image' of God means our PHYSICAL bodies, friend, then I submit you have a picture of God in your mind that is so far from the truth that Im astounded that anyone could believe it.
Do you honestly thing GOD has a liver, a spleen, kidneys or heart valves ?!?!?!

NO. He doesnt.
Our BODIES is not what is made in His image..HE is SPIRIT and was when man was created.
We were created in His 'image' in that we think and reason...we are sentient...and we feel love, anger and a dozen other emotions. We are self aware...we are aware of those around us. We need, we want....we search for companionship.

Our bodies ARENT made in the 'image' of God who had no physical body when we were created.
God is spirit...and the part of US that was created in His image is also spirit.

Before using your fallacy to judge someone else for having a medical procedure done to save their lives of that of their wives or children, I suggest you learn GODS truth.

 

[mondar]

I am surprised that no "porker" jokes came out of this thread.

Do you know what you call a pig with three eyes?

Ans--- A Piiig

 

[Vic C.]

FoC, sometimes I think you just aren't dramatic enough for me. :D

All kidding aside, wouldn't the thought of using a pig's heart valve to save a life be a complete contradiction to the topic title?

Seriously, do we fully understand the scope and nature of God's creation? Maybe HE created swine for several reasons, one of them being that one day, man and technology would catch up and use this wonderful created resource to save lives. Isn't that one of our functions on earth, to love one another... and wouldn't an expression of that love be saving lives?

I'd say so!

Lets not be so narrow-minded. :amen

 

[Vic C.]

LOL@Mondar!

Jeff, I just caught this and it gave me goosebumps! This is precisely my point.

Besides, when God was finished with his creation, he didn't just say that it was good, he said that it was Very Good. Hey, if what God created is good enough for God, it's good enough for me!

 

[Fembot]

Fembot wrote:,

If God says that we shouldn't eat something, why find reasons to argue with God?

“You are the temple of God†(I Cor. 3:16).

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to youâ€Â

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.â€Â

Hello,

As you point out the pig is regarded as unclean by God - this is sufficient basis in and of itself. As such there may be a price tag attached to eating pork by way of a future revealed judgment from God. Lots of things come back to bite humanity with undreamed of consequences that never entered the hearts and minds of men.

Another perspective/// Using parts of animals ... for transplants into humans is objectionable by association to the unclean. I think it does violence to the sacred image and likeness of God that we are created in. Voilating that image (of God) makes us 'less human' and may even mean we can never become truly human.

blessings

blessings

There is a price tag attached to eating pork. That was my point. No it was not listed as a sin. However, I believe it is associated with the sin of killing. I can't say that I know much about using pig valves to replace someone else's is wrong. After all, it does save a human life. It hasn't been done long enough to know the long term results (usually transplanted organs don't last that long anyway). But what do you think this practice (using pig valves in a human) will result in, considering that this animals flesh has worms in it?

How can we "never become truly human?"

 

[Fembot]

FoC, sometimes I think you just aren't dramatic enough for me. :D

All kidding aside, wouldn't the thought of using a pig's heart valve to save a life be a complete contradiction to the topic title?

Seriously, do we fully understand the scope and nature of God's creation? Maybe HE created swine for several reasons, one of them being that one day, man and technology would catch up and use this wonderful created resource to save lives. Isn't that one of our functions on earth, to love one another... and wouldn't an expression of that love be saving lives?

I'd say so!

Lets not be so narrow-minded. :amen

I agree Vic. If you read my other posts, I am far from narrow minded.A little on the :crazy side sometimes.
What do you think of humans using these animal parts to one day create "super humans" that try to escape death? Humans that grow in test tubes and are genetically enhanced-therefore changing God's whole creation?

Technology is not all it's cut out to be.

 

[Fembot]

Porky Pig eats pork and he is still alive! In fact, he pigs out on it.

;)

ok Dave, what's your serious take?

 

[follower of Christ]

FoC, sometimes I think you just aren't dramatic enough for me. :D

All kidding aside, wouldn't the thought of using a pig's heart valve to save a life be a complete contradiction to the topic title?

Welllll...seeing that Im not the one who brought the point up ... ;)

Seriously, do we fully understand the scope and nature of God's creation? Maybe HE created swine for several reasons, one of them being that one day, man and technology would catch up and use this wonderful created resource to save lives. Isn't that one of our functions on earth, to love one another... and wouldn't an expression of that love be saving lives?

I'd say so!

Lets not be so narrow-minded. :amen

I am very narrow minded. I know it and freely admit it
If someone wants me to buy into something they'd better have more evidence to offer than a coke and a smile

I agree that its very possible that God made it so man COULD use a pigs heart valves to replace a humans bad one.
I think some things medical science does crosses a moral line...saving a life doesnt.


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[handy]

Larry King had heart surgery and a pig's valve was used to replace his heart's valve. This happened back in the 1987 so I guess it worked out OK for him. I remember him talking about it and he said that he couldn't walk past a deli without getting a tear in his eye.

 

[stovebolts]

Ha! And Larry King is Jewish :yes

Can you say Kosher :rolling

 

[Vic C.]

I agree Vic. If you read my other posts, I am far from narrow minded.A little on the :crazy side sometimes.
What do you think of humans using these animal parts to one day create "super humans" that try to escape death? Humans that grow in test tubes and are genetically enhanced-therefore changing God's whole creation?

Technology is not all it's cut out to be.

The narrow minded comment was general.

Technology is a tool, a tool given to us through God Himself. Just like any tool, it can used and misused. That can be said about anything. Even Religion and Christianity is misused every day. I'm all for saving lives. I'm not all for violating certain morals I hold to do so though. :yes

Larry King had heart surgery and a pig's valve was used to replace his heart's valve. This happened back in the 1987 so I guess it worked out OK for him. I remember him talking about it and he said that he couldn't walk past a deli without getting a tear in his eye.

That is both funny and sobering. I hope he thanked his Creator for this life saving 'miracle'.

This actually turned out to be an interesting topic. Who's idea was it anyway? :D

 

[stovebolts]

Just found this, thought it was kinda funny :D

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... yking.html

He says that culturally he really enjoys being Jewish and loves Jewish food and Jewish humor. Oddly enough, the one thing that he still maintains is not mixing milk and meat together. “I’ll eat bacon,†King says, “but bacon with a glass of milkâ€â€I’ll faint.â€Â

But then again, he also said this...

After his father died it wasn’t only the meat that didn’t make the “A†grade. Larry’s school grades slipped drastically. He also let slip away many of the Orthodox Jewish practices with which he had been raised. Furious that his father was taken from him, King also buried his belief in God. He has been an agnostic ever since. “Even though I’m a very forgiving person, if there is a God, I’d have a tough time forgiving Him,†King shares.

and this :D

But King says that if he could land an interview with God himself, he’d ask him one simple question, “Did you hve a son?†King says with a mischievous smile.

Ok ok :D

totopic

P.S. For some reasy, I'm hungry!