How Dumb Are We ?

[Corn Pop]

For some reason a system has been created where many companies and others think you owe them your time. Life is too short.

Whats a typical say average guess for many. An hour to get ready, another hour to get to work. 8 hours work, an hour to drive home, 8 hours sleep. That leaves like 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for people to unwind, make some dinner, relax, spend time with there family, or just whatever people do in there own time is left in a day. Just to survive and pay taxes. That's like life theft.

 

[WIP]

For some reason a system has been created where many companies and others think you owe them your time. Life is too short.

Whats a typical say average guess for many. An hour to get ready, another hour to get to work. 8 hours work, an hour to drive home, 8 hours sleep. That leaves like 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for people to unwind, make some dinner, relax, spend time with there family, or just whatever people do in there own time is left in a day. Just to survive and pay taxes. That's like life theft.

In my experience, it's rare for people to actually work 8 hours in a day. When I worked in the mining industry on Minnesota's iron range, I remember the midnight shifts where people such as mechanics, millwrights, electricians, etc., found hiding places and got up to 6 hours sleep. In fact, the millwrights actually built bunk beds in one cubby hole. I also remember when a new shop floor foreman took over and wouldn't allow the mechanics to sleep during the night shift and the uproar he faced as a result. Really? They had to actually stay awake for the duration of their contracted work time? How dare the company do that?

When I was working for another company, the one I retired from after 29 years, it seemed more people, such as engineers, spent more time shooting the breeze than actually working. In fact, one time during the Covid pandemic when they went to working from home, I bumped into an engineer in town and asked how that was going. He told me that he was more productive at home than he was at work. Why? Because at work he had to deal with too many interruptions as just about anybody that walked by felt they needed to spend time to chit-chat.

When we sign the contract to work for someone, we agree to the terms of that contract.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

Good point!

Education is a social institution. Teaching knowledge is only part of the equation.

Kids need to be socialized and not just taught abc but also how to function in today’s society. Problem is…

Well look at today’s society lol a lot of kids are dealing with hunger drug and alcohol dependent parents housing insecurity…

And a society in which it is increasingly every man for himself.

what's the cause of this?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

For some reason a system has been created where many companies and others think you owe them your time. Life is too short.

Whats a typical say average guess for many. An hour to get ready, another hour to get to work. 8 hours work, an hour to drive home, 8 hours sleep. That leaves like 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for people to unwind, make some dinner, relax, spend time with there family, or just whatever people do in there own time is left in a day. Just to survive and pay taxes. That's like life theft.

don't forget the hour for lunch

 

[Corn Pop]

When we sign the contract to work for someone, we agree to the terms of that contract.

Exactly, that's why I never work under contract as a fulltime.employee for anyone else..I don't want a companies benefits in exchange they question me why I'm 5 mins late because maybe there was a bit more heavy traffic that morning, and tell me when im allowed to eat, and when im allowed to go home, and why do I want a day off.

I have left jobs because I need flexibility in my life yet and they tried to drag me into there system of control they knew i didnt want a part of, the only reason I keep my jobs and have never been sacked is because I bust and grind hard when i work and I don't muck around and I get things done and I have only ever been praised for my work and getting things done with precision all my life no matter the job, when i work i work, no mucking around, im there to get things done as a service for someone. Nothing annoys me more than working with lazy bludgers and having to carry there weight.

But if a company is not happy because im a little late or having the next day off day and give notice, no need to question me why just say ok, no one needs to know why I am not giving my time and life to some company for a day that i said i wont be coming in for example, thats my business, just say ok, or tell me you don't need my services anymore, dont question me. I do have my own life to live and things that need to be done.

 

[WIP]

I have left jobs because I need flexibility in my life yet and they tried to drag me into there system of control they knew i didnt want a part of

That's just it. You always have the option of not allowing them to dictate anything beyond the terms of the contract. We always accept a contract when we accept a job offer, whether in writing or verbal. It's always a 2-way street too. The business needs help and the employee needs the source of income. Every day, by showing up for work, we are choosing to fulfill the terms of our contract. If we are not satisfied with those terms we always have the option to look elsewhere. Likewise, if the employer is not satisfied with our performance, they too have the option of looking elsewhere.

 

[jasonc]

That's just it. You always have the option of not allowing them to dictate anything beyond the terms of the contract. We always accept a contract when we accept a job offer, whether in writing or verbal. It's always a 2-way street too. The business needs help and the employee needs the source of income. Every day, by showing up for work, we are choosing to fulfill the terms of our contract. If we are not satisfied with those terms we always have the option to look elsewhere. Likewise, if the employer is not satisfied with our performance, they too have the option of looking elsewhere.

under contracts exits often require something .

the military service is a contract .you can't just leave unless you have hit you retirement time then you can as I did .it's called dropping the letter and you have to give them six months after that .I did three months .there are ways to do that in the guard .

 

[Eternally-grateful]

under contracts exits often require something .

the military service is a contract .you can't just leave unless you have hit you retirement time then you can as I did

I am retired. But the first time I left was after my term was up (4 years) I did not retire

.it's called dropping the letter and you have to give them six months after that .I did three months .there are ways to do that in the guard .

things changed?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

You sign a contract where you have specifc hours you will work and your 20 mins late and get questioned why you are late, so maybe i have to tell them i needed to take a dump before i left home and it took a bit longer that usual and the traffic was a little bit heavy this morning so that is why im 20 mins late boss.

Does someone really need to know that and what's the reply, can i take a dump earlier than I need to next time and tell the traffic to go a bit faster.

do you make a habit of it.

If not. I do not know any employer that would get bent out of shape

being late in the military was a punishable event.. yet many people were late and never suffered the consequences

 

[Corn Pop]

That's just it. You always have the option of not allowing them to dictate anything beyond the terms of the contract. We always accept a contract when we accept a job offer, whether in writing or verbal. It's always a 2-way street too. The business needs help and the employee needs the source of income. Every day, by showing up for work, we are choosing to fulfill the terms of our contract. If we are not satisfied with those terms we always have the option to look elsewhere. Likewise, if the employer is not satisfied with our performance, they too have the option of looking elsewhere.

I just think 2000 sole traders building there own family empire is bettter than 2000 servants all building 1 familys empire..

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

Workers rights are important. In the USA workers haven’t had the same leverage since unions started losing power.

Other workers…can be a problem too. I honestly think one reason I developed schizophrenia is….

Working lol but seriously I was not stable mentally and other workers made my life miserable and not just on the job. Happens…I don’t know about other countries but it is becoming more of an issue in the USA.

What bothers me personally is the level of corporate control of the economy and workers and…well increasingly life lol but seriously

Corporations…big companies that exist to make a big profit…now control housing construction cars food medicine doctors and hospitals entertainment power water internet phones and some k12 charter schools are run by corporations and corporations control a lot of research and development and…

Eek I’m not a communist but The Corporations are inescapable. The problem is that they’re often massive and they answer to shareholders not customers or citizens. With huge profits come huge power and I’m afraid they may one day effectively run the government…

 

[jasonc]

I am retired. But the first time I left was after my term was up (4 years) I did not retire

things changed?

always been that way . once you get your letter you can retire .unless it's on a deployment irc.

 

[jasonc]

I dunno

Workers rights are important. In the USA workers haven’t had the same leverage since unions started losing power.

Other workers…can be a problem too. I honestly think one reason I developed schizophrenia is….

Working lol but seriously I was not stable mentally and other workers made my life miserable and not just on the job. Happens…I don’t know about other countries but it is becoming more of an issue in the USA.

What bothers me personally is the level of corporate control of the economy and workers and…well increasingly life lol but seriously

Corporations…big companies that exist to make a big profit…now control housing construction cars food medicine doctors and hospitals entertainment power water internet phones and some k12 charter schools are run by corporations and corporations control a lot of research and development and…

Eek I’m not a communist but The Corporations are inescapable. The problem is that they’re often massive and they answer to shareholders not customers or citizens. With huge profits come huge power and I’m afraid they may one day effectively run the government…

a beauracrat isn't beyond self interest .

often they are beholden to those wealthy donors .

make political office voluntary and those socialists will walk away .

 

[Christ_empowered]

Unions are flawed. Humans and our organizations tend to be flawed. And yet…

Unions help raise wages and improve working conditions.

 

[follower]

Unions are flawed. Humans and our organizations tend to be flawed. And yet…

Unions help raise wages and improve working conditions.

Whatever is born (starts in) the flesh is flesh, and profits nothing.

Society (the world's) is pernicious (death dealing) re Galatians et al.
Unions are part of society , and are of the flesh, NOT FROM ABOVE. i.e. not good, not a gift from God.

 

[jasonc]

Unions are flawed. Humans and our organizations tend to be flawed. And yet…

Unions help raise wages and improve working conditions.

depends .

should cops ,fireman be allowed to strike ?
my boss's only rehired me because he didn't have to worry if I show up and work after I complete probation. it took him a year to get rid of another guy who was there for three years . he said after another transferred that he would pay overtime if need be rather then have that problem again . union rules make it hard to fire people at times and discourage initiative .I have trimmed trees in city parking lot because my work truck would hit branches .I also will never tell the populous to not fix city sidewalks by trimming them or pressure washing them or cutting brush back on right of says . I just say if you don't complain ,I won't .

in some pro union states that a crime to do that or a penalty is paid .

 

[Corn Pop]

do you make a habit of it.

If not. I do not know any employer that would get bent out of shape

being late in the military was a punishable event.. yet many people were late and never suffered the consequences

If a job is time important like say someone opens up a store for some business then time is important because being late can affect the business and customer service so being on time is understandable and giving plenty of notice if your having time off or cannot make it in for. Some reasos so the business has time and can make other arrangements. That is just courtesy. Some jobs being on time is important.

 

[jasonc]

do you make a habit of it.

If not. I do not know any employer that would get bent out of shape

being late in the military was a punishable event.. yet many people were late and never suffered the consequences

must have been a reserve or guard unit of the past .

I got extra duty once
I got a np for a suta .a four period .punished a few myself .counseling ,then np and finally an article 15 for one . he got out .

he had to make up his missed drills .

 

[jasonc]

must have been a reserve or guard unit of the past .

I got extra duty once
I got a np for a suta .a four period .punished a few myself .counseling ,then np and finally an article 15 for one . he got out .

he had to make up his missed drills .

muta not suta

 

[Corn Pop]

I had this job once many many years ago when I was younger working in some fancy restaurant and it was the second day and we were busy so I worked over my shift and the dude at the time said it's all good I could go so I get changed and go to leave and the head chef walks in and says what are you doing so I told him the situation I done my shift and was told I could leave and I be back later for the next shift ,and he flipped out and went full gordan ramsey military on me, shouting at me who's the head chef around here, you do what I say, im god around here you do what I say, and I had to get changed and carry on working, then when I did finish I never went back.

Yet I had the courage to ring the owner and ask for what he owes me, so I went in and i told him why i left i dont like the way i was treated its not for me, and he was telling me how he could sue me and all this garbage, yea good luck, but he did pay me and I left and wiped the dust off my feet.